One Shot Wolverine

The character's personality has to be taken into consideration. We can all take powers sets and put them against the each other. If Wolverine wasn't as tough, and very strong willed of a person as he is, the HF may not have as big of an impact as it does i.e. Wolverine wouldn't take as many risks, knowing the amount of pain he's about to receive or build up an resistance to pain over time because he's too scared to feel pain. But this isn't the case. And like Wolverine said in Wolverine vol. 2 issue 31, "it's not his style" to run from any situation no matter how taxed his HF is.

To me it's a combination of the Adamantium, HF, and at the core, toughness and will-power. That's why it's so hard to KO Logan with one hit. And there are too many examples of him taking several hits from Hulk and other super-powered beings.

You need to overload Wolverine' HF in order to put him down and most of the time it takes a group of foes to do it. Hard for one opponent to achieve, but not impossible.

ok, i HATE bios and handbooks, but i found this and it explains PERFECTLY my stance--which, according to this was NOT incorrect in any way at all....

MacLain began experimenting with the process that creates adamantium as a young scientist in the employ of the United States government in the early 1940s. By accident he created a special adamantium compound, which is more durable than any form of adamantium created since, and then through another accident, fused this adamantium sample he had created with a sample of an unknown metal catalyst and the metal which is now known to have been Wakandan Vibranium. The result was the large rounded specimen of alloy which is the most virtually indestructible substance known to man. This alloy specimen was given to Captain America to serve as his Shield. The exact chemical composition of Captain America's shield and the exact degree to which it is indestructible have never been determined, nor has MacLain or anyone else ever learned how to duplicate either the special adamantium compound used in the creation of the shield, which Is known as Proto-Adamantium, or the process which fused the Proto-Adamantium with the Wakandan Vibranium.

Over the following decades, MacLain experimented, attempting to duplicate the process that created adamantium. Finally, in recent years, although he realized that he could never again create Proto-Adamantium, he succeeded in developing the process by which the substance known as True Adamantium is created. True Adamantium is nearly as strong as the Proto-Adamantium used to create Captain America's shield, and is, for virtually all practical purposes, indestructible. The degree of indestructibility varies directly with the thickness of the adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, Mjolnir, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will only slightly dent a solid cylinder of true adamantium. A sufficient mass of adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon.

again, i will willingly concede this is all wrong. someone just needs to show me a scan to prove thor denting adamantium was retconned, and the whole above history has also been retconned. 🙂

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No, it not at all. In fact it could not be more untruee. Your going by an old out dated handbook which was not only inaccurate it goes against that idea purpose for the creation of adamatium in the first place.

issue and title number please.

see scan.

Thor hammer has straight up failed to do damage to primary adamatium what so ever before as has the Hulk.

the hulk is questionable. that dent he put in ultron in SW has not, to my knowledge, ever been FORMALLY retconned. busiek once said it was POSSIBLE klaw didn't recreate ultron exactly, and MAYBE that would explain the dent, but again, i don't think it's ever been formally retconned. if you have proof it was, share. 🙂

so that makes twice--thor and hulk who have damaged it physically. neither have scrated the shield.

i await y'all proving these examples and histories wrong.

Originally posted by Bentley
What Ifs are not canon anyways, I want a 616 comic that states so.

The story isn't 616 canon, but the narrative is retold by 616 Uatu, which is what is being cited. 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The story isn't 616 canon, but the narrative is retold by 616 Uatu, which is what is being cited. 😎

This was already ruled out regarding the Void matchups if I recall correctly, that statements from What If issues cannot be considered even if it's 616 Uatu speaking.

But our argument has not any repercussion on and by itself in this thread, the durability of adamantium isn't stated as truly infinite, just above the physical output than most -if not all- heralds can produce. Not that it would be valid to consider adamantium absolutely indestructible because it hasn't been broken on panel, that would be an infinite fallacy on and by itself.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, as srank pointed out adamantium is just a substance created to replicate the shield, and with that fact in mind no matter what misguided writer says we already know the truth

adamantium did not exist prior to that shield's creation, there was only olympian adamantine which it derived it's name

true, but that unknown mixture was retroactively called PROTO-ADAMANTIUM, as has been pointed out. so..... say it..... say it......

"uncle leo was right".

😛

Originally posted by leonidas
true, but that unknown mixture was retroactively called PROTO-ADAMANTIUM, as has been pointed out. so..... say it..... say it......

"uncle leo was right".

😛

The "unknown mixture" was never retroactively called proto-adamantium in anything other than handbooks, and fan wikis.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The "unknown mixture" was never retroactively called proto-adamantium in anything other than handbooks, and fan wikis.

hmm, i'm not sure about that, but it COULD be right. in which book was it said to be 'steel'? maybe the in continuity references to the adamantium/vibranium mix were referencing PROTO-adamantium.

and the cited references were more to explain why i--me, personally-- thought it was an adamantium mix. it was--at least according to some sources--but it was just retroactively.

as far as the question of what is harder, the shield or true adamantium, i hope THIS scan finally ends the debate once and for all:

http://imageshack.us/f/14/cap303shield2.jpg/

from the mouth of the inventor himself--adamantium is no match for the shield.

doesn't get clearer than that. once again, i await all the current proofs that will refute all this info.... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by leonidas
as far as the question of what is harder, the shield or true adamantium, i hope THIS scan finally ends the debate once and for all:

http://imageshack.us/f/14/cap303shield2.jpg/

from the mouth of the inventor himself--adamantium is no match for the shield.

doesn't get clearer than that. once again, i await all the current proofs that will refute all this info.... 😖hifty:

Is that from Captain America vol. 1 #255?

why?

Originally posted by leonidas
why?

"the best i've come up with so far is a substance called adamantium--but even that is no match for whatever the shield is made of."

😐

Originally posted by leonidas
"the best i've come up with so far is a substance called adamantium--but even that is no match for whatever the shield is made of."

😐

You're making assumptions.

It could be superior in other ways.

Originally posted by Starscream M
that doesn't mean its more durable though. 😐

You're making assumptions.

It could be superior in other ways.

Like what?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Like what?

Originally posted by Starscream M
lighter, more or less conducive to energy, etc

Did you actually read the scan? because he was specifically talking about the shield's durability.

Geez, the shield is also lighter, btw.

Christ.

The shield > adamantium.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Christ.

The shield > adamantium.