Originally posted by Omega Vision
this is one of the dumbest posts I've seen ever.Bar none.
your flippant response & lack of explanation leads me to beleive your dumber than a post. get it, get it? 💃
but seriously, what's the problem? what don't you get? for superman to have infinite strength would literally mean he could lift the omniverse & everything/force/space/dimension/abstract/whatever that has & every will exsist, everywhere & anywhere. it would make the power gem look like weak sauce. we KNOW he can't do that or he flick characters like captain marvel into mince meat like he was chewing gum. he simply doesn't have infinite strength. it was a feat convoluted, riddled with trickery, & dishonest. so this non-feat is not only ridiculous, but objectively impossible within the canon of the DC universe.
Hercules, otoh, lifted the universe, on panel, in what is a ridiculous but legitimate, observable, honest, what you see is what you get feat...with a defined limit. Atlas can do it & so can Hercules. the performance of this feat cannot be disqualified simply because it's ridiculous. if that were all it took to disqualify feats, then that would negate the possibility for most discussion. No, feats must merely not be completely impossible within the context of that universe's continuity. it is not a limitless, infinite, immeasurable feat like superman's "infinite" strength feat. it remains within the boundaries
of the possible. superman's "infinite strength" does not. get it?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never thought feats decided who was stronger but while saying that I think it's obvious Superman is stronger than Thor and Hercules. Not as wide as the gap between him and WW but still. I think how these characters match up against their peers is the best indicator of strength.
But if we used fights as an proof of where a character stands, that would make Spidey beating Firelord a valid showing, wouldn't it? 😛
I think fights and feats need to both be weighed, but personally I put feats ahead in importance, with a dash of common sense (Like character stat limitations making some feats impossible, such as Slade always being a step ahead of Wally) Although, I also think Lady Shiva could contend with Cassandra Cain, despite having inferior feats, so it really depends on the case..
Originally posted by cdtm
But if we used fights as an proof of where a character stands, that would make Spidey beating Firelord a valid showing, wouldn't it? 😛I think fights and feats need to both be weighed, but personally I put feats ahead in importance, with a dash of common sense (Like character stat limitations making some feats impossible, such as Slade always being a step ahead of Wally) Although, I also think Lady Shiva could contend with Cassandra Cain, despite having inferior feats, so it really depends on the case..
So what do we do with characters that doesn't have fts similar to the people that does have insane fts? Example...Doomsday, Darkseid, Grundy and Konvikt. If we just went by fts, Colossus and Namor are above all of them. Hell, Spiderman strength fts outweighs there's and all four of them combined shouldnt even be capable of causing Hulk to even register their punches or tickle him.
Fts isn't always the best route to go buddy.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Lifting the universe isn't a quantifiable feat, so isn't usable. Period.
would it be quantifiable within the context of the marvel universe? the TOAA, Eternity, Living Tribunal, Infinity, etc, could quantify it in exact or approximate terms.
I see your point though. until it is clearly quantified within the marvel universe, it remains an unknown; I'm just saying that while it isn't quantifiable, it is within the realm of possibility for hercules to perform this feat since it isn't infinite.
Originally posted by wildernessslet it go man...
would it be quantifiable within the context of the marvel universe? the TOAA, Eternity, Living Tribunal, Infinity, etc, could quantify it in exact or approximate terms.I see your point though. until it is clearly quantified within the marvel universe, it remains an unknown.
It's difficult to find clean unaided feats that are quantifiable.
Thor - If you want to include "classic" Thor then overcoming the gravity a neutron star, towing an island, pulling the massive Midgard Serpent from Earth. I can't actually think of any worthwhile lifting feats for current Thor 😐
Hercules - Matching classic Thor in a arm wrestling contest, it was said their combined force could move the Earth from orbit.
Superman - Pulling at least 1/3 of Earth weight or at least 1/3 of the moon.
Captain Marvel - Has locked up with Superman and matched him
Hulk - Holding a planet together which was 1.5x the size of Earth. I'm not a physics buff but doesn't Earth weigh several hundred quintillion tons?
Gladiator - Moving a huge city sized spaceship that contained weapons with ease and has matched Thor in strength.
For the top guys these were the best raw lifting/pulling feats I could think of off the top of my head that could at least be quantified (or roughly so) in some way.
Originally posted by wildernesss
would it be quantifiable within the context of the marvel universe? the TOAA, Eternity, Living Tribunal, Infinity, etc, could quantify it in exact or approximate terms.I see your point though. until it is clearly quantified within the marvel universe, it remains an unknown; I'm just saying that while it isn't quantifiable, it is within the realm of possibility for hercules to perform this feat since it isn't infinite.
wait..what? the universe is infinite in real life and in comics. you do know that the universe is constantly expanding and growing which makes it as much as we can tell infinite. same as in comics, new words and galaxies and shit like that are constantly being created into existence which makes it infinite.
what do you think eternity and all those abstracts do all day? just watch?
Originally posted by wildernesss
your flippant response & lack of explanation leads me to beleive your dumber than a post. get it, get it? 💃but seriously, what's the problem? what don't you get? for superman to have infinite strength would literally mean he could lift the omniverse & everything/force/space/dimension/abstract/whatever that has & every will exsist, everywhere & anywhere. it would make the power gem look like weak sauce. we KNOW he can't do that or he flick characters like captain marvel into mince meat like he was chewing gum. he simply doesn't have infinite strength. it was a feat convoluted, riddled with trickery, & dishonest. so this non-feat is not only ridiculous, but objectively impossible within the canon of the DC universe.
Hercules, otoh, lifted the universe, on panel, in what is a ridiculous but legitimate, observable, honest, what you see is what you get feat...with a defined limit. Atlas can do it & so can Hercules. the performance of this feat cannot be disqualified simply because it's ridiculous. if that were all it took to disqualify feats, then that would negate the possibility for most discussion. No, feats must merely not be completely impossible within the context of that universe's continuity. it is not a limitless, infinite, immeasurable feat like superman's "infinite" strength feat. it remains within the boundaries
of the possible. superman's "infinite strength" does not. get it?
Either we can fix a finite limit on Herc and Superman's strength or we must give them both equal benefits of the doubt.
Hulk. easy.
most feats from Planet Hulk, from throwing mountains around to holding the planet together with his hands.
punching through the TimeStream, consistently being tested by the greatest scientific minds in Marvel and found to have literally incalculable strength...
all that and yet, he can still do more, go higher, much much higher.
Originally posted by janus77
Hulk. easy.
most feats from Planet Hulk, from throwing mountains around to holding the planet together with his hands.punching through the TimeStream, consistently being tested by the greatest scientific minds in Marvel and found to have literally incalculable strength...
all that and yet, he can still do more, go higher, much much higher.
Pretty much. When it comes to legit "lifting" fts, Hulk is pretty much one of the only peeps here that has it. I'm referring to fts of grabbing something, standing on two legs and lifting it with your arms...no pulling, tugging...just Rae strength fts.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength4.jpg
I could post this and no one would be able to match it.
Originally posted by carver9
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength4.jpgI could post this and no one would be able to match it.
Superman definitely does.
I don't have the scan on hand, but him tearing through that moon following Luthor being elected President is more impressive, but that might count as a striking feat.
