Voldemort vs. Gandalf the White

Originally posted by Korto Vos
The Sun doesn't work that way. :-| Also, the Uruk-Hai aren't like goblins; they can fight in regular sunlight. Clearly, Gandalf amplified the light using his own magic.

We see a sequence of events with Gandalf battling the Balrog that are obviously meant to be a flashback (not a dream) demonstrating what happened after he fell off the Bridge of Khazad-Dum.

Yeah.

The suddenness of the sun rising behind the charge and the Uruk's all looking directly at it blinded them, thats my interpretation, its what happens in the books iir, and its what the script says:

[The Rohirrim and the White Rider charge
down the slope. Half the Uruk-hai army
turns to face the challenge, bearing
their spears down towards the riders.
As the riders draw closer, the sun rises
behind them, momentarily blinding the
Uruk-hai who raise the hands (and spears)
to shield their eyes. The riders crash
right into the Uruk-hai and engage them
in battle.]

No mention is made of Gandalf doing anything. And even if he did, it isn't something that he can do any time he wants to and he certainly can't do it in this thread, which takes place inside Hogwarts.

I agree that the implication would be that this is what is happened after Gandalf fell. However, it is still a dream. And something being implied to happen is not proof. The forum rules are Screen feats only. A dream is not acceptable evidence. Frodo possesses no ability that lets him see things that happened to other people or any other kind of magical sight. It makes no sense that he can dream something that actually happened. It is not a flashback.

Where did you get that script from?

I clicked on the second Two Towers script link on Yahoo!, and saw this:

GANDALF: (looking down on Helms Deep. Theoden pauses and looks up) Theoden King stands alone.

EOMER: (riding up behind him) Not alone. (he raises his sword high) Rohirrim!

The Rohirrim ride up behind Eomer. The Uruk-hai stop fighting and look up.

THEODEN: Eomer.

EOMER: To the king!

Eomer, Gandalf and the Rohirrim ride down the steep hill towards the Uruks who surge forward holding their spears in front of them. As Gandalf nears the Uruks he sends out a bright white light from his staff, blinding the Uruk-hai. They ride over the Uruk-hai and into their masses, killing and fighting.

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No, if you want to play it that way Neph, you have zero proof that Frodo's dream about Gandalf was the opening scene.

When I said this earlier:

Gandalf: "Through fire and water. From the lowest dungeon..."

Gandalf and the Balrog land in the water at the end of their free-fall. When they came out of the water, they would have found themselves at the lowest dungeon.

You replied:

Thats very weak evidence if ever I saw it. I think its a bit much to say the dream 100% happened from 2 obscure sentences.

Do better.

I'm afraid my "very weak evidence" is better than what you have provided.

You're making an implication that the two are connected, even though you are refusing the obvious implication that the opening scene was an actual flashback.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Where did you get that script from?

I clicked on the second Two Towers script link on Yahoo!, and saw this:

GANDALF: (looking down on Helms Deep. Theoden pauses and looks up) Theoden King stands alone.

EOMER: (riding up behind him) Not alone. (he raises his sword high) Rohirrim!

The Rohirrim ride up behind Eomer. The Uruk-hai stop fighting and look up.

THEODEN: Eomer.

EOMER: To the king!

Eomer, Gandalf and the Rohirrim ride down the steep hill towards the Uruks who surge forward holding their spears in front of them. As Gandalf nears the Uruks [B]he sends out a bright white light from his staff, blinding the Uruk-hai. They ride over the Uruk-hai and into their masses, killing and fighting.

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No, if you want to play it that way Neph, you have zero proof that Frodo's dream about Gandalf was the opening scene.

When I said this earlier:

You replied:

I'm afraid my "very weak evidence" is better than what you have provided.

You're making an implication that the two are connected, even though you are refusing the obvious implication that the opening scene was an actual flashback. [/B]

The Internet Movie Script Database.

Perhaps there are multiple scripts. Yours is clearly wrong however, as we can see from the video I provided that no such light comes from Gandalf's staff. 😐

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I'm not playing it any way. It was a dream! Its not my fault that the script-writer decided to make the scene in which Gandalf does all this awesome shit a dream sequence. I'm just calling it like it is.

Zero proof? Theres a scene about Gandalf and then Frodo wakes up calling for Gandalf waking up from a nightmare. It would only be more obvious that was what it was referencing to if Frodo winked at the friggin' audience. The scenes directly follow from each other and Frodo directly references that he was having a dream about Gandalf, who was the focus of the previous scene and which ended abruptly, just like every other nightmare sequence does in a movie where the character jumps awake screaming, just what happens in this case. It was a classic nightmare transition.

Yeah, Gandalf said he fell through fire and water. He did not say that he fell for a longass time, rode the Balrog like a mechanical bull and tanked its punches because he has 'super-durability.' His words in no way confirm that the beginning sequence actually happened.

And it can't be a flashback, because who the hell is flashing back? Frodo wasn't there. He didn't see Gandalf stabbing the Balrog like a boss.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Internet Movie Script Database.

Perhaps there are multiple scripts. Yours is clearly wrong however, as we can see from the video I provided that no such light comes from Gandalf's staff. 😐

The Sun doesn't suddenly just sporadically flash X10 brightness, especially during a rather convenient moment when the Rohirrim is about to crash into a line of Uruk-Hai pikes.

That, and the script that I saw, made it rather obvious to me that Gandalf played a role in what happened.

Anyway, I suppose we are in agreement with how brilliant that scene was, with the music, light, and echo of Gandalf's yell.

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I'm not playing it any way. It was a dream! Its not my fault that the script-writer decided to make the scene in which Gandalf does all this awesome shit a dream sequence. I'm just calling it like it is. Zero proof? Theres a scene about Gandalf and then Frodo wakes up calling for Gandalf waking up from a nightmare. It would only be more obvious that was what it was referencing to if Frodo winked at the friggin' audience. The scenes directly follow from each other and Frodo directly references that he was having a dream about Gandalf, who was the focus of the previous scene and which ended abruptly, just like every other nightmare sequence does in a movie where the character jumps awake screaming, just what happens in this case. It was a classic nightmare transition. Yeah, Gandalf said he fell through fire and water. He did not say that he fell for a longass time, rode the Balrog like a mechanical bull and tanked its punches because he has 'super-durability.' His words in no way confirm that the beginning sequence actually happened. And it can't be a flashback, because who the hell is flashing back? Frodo wasn't there. He didn't see Gandalf stabbing the Balrog like a boss.

Okay, I understand what you are saying.

BUT the reason why it is a flashback is because the very beginning is EXACTLY what happened during Fellowship of the Ring. And after he fell off the bridge, it was what happened to Gandalf immediately afterwards.

You don't dream what exactly happened in the past...

Originally posted by Korto Vos
The Sun doesn't suddenly just sporadically flash X10 brightness, especially during a rather convenient moment when the Rohirrim is about to crash into a line of Uruk-Hai pikes.

That, and the script that I saw, made it rather obvious to me that Gandalf played a role in what happened.

Anyway, I suppose we are in agreement with how brilliant that scene was, with the music, light, and echo of Gandalf's yell.

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Okay, I understand what you are saying.

BUT the reason why it is a flashback is because the very beginning is EXACTLY what happened during Fellowship of the Ring. And after he fell off the bridge, it was what happened to Gandalf immediately afterwards.

You don't dream what exactly happened in the past...

You've never seen the Sun shining through something with palpable intensity? 😮

Meh, you can believe that if you wish, the scenes pretty ambiguous I giess. But my point still stands: It doesn't matter, this fight is inside Hogwarts and we don't know whether Gandalf can do it with out preperation.

Well I can certainly agree to that. 😄

Well actually..... 😛uts on science specs: ..... Most of our dreams are made up of memories etc. 🤓

Anyway, agree to disagree?

Originally posted by Nephthys
You've never seen the Sun shining through something with palpable intensity? 😮

Meh, you can believe that if you wish, the scenes pretty ambiguous I giess. But my point still stands: It doesn't matter, this fight is inside Hogwarts and we don't know whether Gandalf can do it with out preperation.

Well I can certainly agree to that. 😄

Well actually..... 😛uts on science specs: ..... Most of our dreams are made up of memories etc. 🤓

Anyway, agree to disagree?

I agree that it is ambiguous, which is likely the reason why those two scripts provide different interpretations.

Yeah, the Sun is rising, but it always seemed to me that Gandalf decided to juice up the brightness by casting Blinding Light.

Well...he performed another instance of Blinding Light against the Nazgul, so it is in fact a viable option for him.

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Yeah, but dreams don't play out EXACTLY like our memories.

Sure, we can agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Again, you make no sense.

It stunned them for enough time for the cavalry to rip through the line of pike defenses. In addition, it blinded [B]hundreds of Uruks. Thus, a Blinding Light concentrated on a single opponent would be devastating.
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I don't care if you think they have "no real relevance." Voldemort doesn't have light-resistant eyes; he will be as vulnerable as the Uruk-Hai.

And umm yes....Gandalf used it in battle, and he used it against an assault by Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli. Therefore, I can say that he will use it against Voldemort.

The "that's it" will be more than enough time for Gandalf to defeat him.

Umm, yeah, he might be able to aim one Avada Kedavra on target, but that will be blocked by the Shield. [/B]

No, since Dumbledore had a moment or so against Voldemort and couldn't successfully defeat him and since Gandalf himself doesn't smoke through his enemies in microseconds. Think about the duration of time required to take out a Balrog and then ask yourself if Gandalf even in your mind can win this with a few attacks. You know you don't believe it.

Then the shield is broken. If not Voldemort has more than enough power just based off energy beams to break through it based off his shield busting power in deathly part 2.

You know of my logical counters against the Voldemort-destroying-Hogwarts-shield argument.

Again, you are making fanboy assumptions. Power level has nothing to do with magic that involves burning weapons or shattering objects. The Elder Wand, the strongest wand in HP lore, was snapped in half in the films without any magic.

This is Gandalf the White, btw.
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Yes, the shield can block a single, directed concentrated attack, like against the Balrog's strike.

Are you kidding me? This is only illogical. You basically said, "I believe Gandalf isn't stronger than Voldemort. Therefore, he can't hurt him. He loses."

There's no argument in what you said whatsoever.

I have no idea where you are getting at with what you said here.

It came out of nowhere, which is why I became slightly irritated.

🙄 Sure Quanchi, whatever you say. [/B]

Yes, there is an argument here. I am not saying Gandalf can't hurt him I am saying he can't break his wand. There's a huge difference in not being able to cause pain and not successfully breaking his wand any time he wants. You suggesting there isn't is illogical and nonsensical. Gandalf himself had it done to him due to being lower on the food chain than the Witch King in the movie. The tactic is off the table here against someone more powerful than he is.

My argument was Gandalf's durability doesn't change only when he uses magic to aid himself he is more resistant. If gandalf just stands there and allows Grima to stab him it's going to kill him. If Gandalf is actively fighting Grima will never gepast his shields or even be in a position to do so.

Well, I am making a rational argument here. You saying I am not doesn't change that fact.
🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop making things up, the death-spell is a killing spell, not a "destroys everything I need it to" spell, you're now worse than RJ in here, good job.

Gandalf solos, his shields are impregnable to the likes of Voldermort and he's more powerful overall. Gandalf fights epic battles; Voldermort dies to the hands of a man-boy student wizard.

Who says Gandalf solos in a one on one thread ? LOL.

Voldmort's feats are by far more impressive and powerful. Gandalf's bright light and tk is weak sauce compared to a fire basilisk, his energy blasts. avada kedavra, or a charged up black matter energy attack.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It makes perfect sense. The killing curse will break the object it hits in some fashion. We don't see it severely blind anyone and speculating on how badly it blinds someone without proof is just wishful thinking. I get it that you really, really want Gandalf to win despite him losing in epic fashion. You need something a little more impressive than a really bright flashlight.

Wait whaa-? LOL, all I'm saying is what Robtard nicely restated above: how does Avada Kedavra have staff-shattering abilities? That's all I'm saying...

Yes, he used it against three foes who couldn't make out his image but still shot the arrow and were going to attack him just the same hence the burning his sword feat. If it totally blocked their vision he wouldn't need to block the arrow or burn his sword.

He wasn't trying to cause permanent blindness, lol. It was nowhere near the magnitude of it against the Nazgul or Uruk-Hai. Yet, it still was rather potent and caused the three to have difficulty even looking forward.

No, since Dumbledore had a moment or so against Voldemort and couldn't successfully defeat him and since Gandalf himself doesn't smoke through his enemies in microseconds. Think about the duration of time required to take out a Balrog and then ask yourself if Gandalf even in your mind can win this with a few attacks. You know you don't believe it.

If Gandalf decided to Earthquake the Bridge right away, the Balrog would have fallen within seconds. Gandalf was tired, and had no desire battling the demon- he tried to command it to flee.

And besides, I don't see how his battle against the Balrog is relevant to this duel at hand.

Then the shield is broken. If not Voldemort has more than enough power just based off energy beams to break through it based off his shield busting power in deathly part 2.

Yes, it does. Saying it doesn't makes no sense hence Gandalf allowing himself to be beaten the first fight. Yes, gandalf had the same mission each time but came back more powerful the second time around in order to fulfill his mission. As regards to Voldemort's shield breaking it's more impressive than any Gandalf power feat.

That Shield handily blocked a mighty smash by an eighteen-foot demon.

Furthermore, against the Blinding Light, Voldemort may off-aim his spell, and will difficulty concentrating his attack against the shield.

Yes, there is an argument here. I am not saying Gandalf can't hurt him I am saying he can't break his wand. There's a huge difference in not being able to cause pain and not successfully breaking his wand any time he wants. You suggesting there isn't is illogical and nonsensical. Gandalf himself had it done to him due to being lower on the food chain than the Witch King in the movie. The tactic is off the table here against someone more powerful than he is.

I'll repeat it once more- if wands can be broken by mere force, and Gandalf has the capability of burning swords or shattering legitimate staffs, then it's completely logical he can do the same to Voldemort's stick.

Your power-level argument is nonsensical. Gandalf saw the channeling by the Witch-King and held his staff in defense; otherwise, he might have shattered the Nazgul's blade or burned its hilt. Power-level has no relevance.

My argument was Gandalf's durability doesn't change only when he uses magic to aid himself he is more resistant. If gandalf just stands there and allows Grima to stab him it's going to kill him. If Gandalf is actively fighting Grima will never gepast his shields or even be in a position to do so.

Well, I am making a rational argument here. You saying I am not doesn't change that fact.
🙂

Regardless of whatever you believe in, Gandalf wins this duel.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Wait whaa-? LOL, all I'm saying is what Robtard nicely restated above: how does Avada Kedavra have staff-shattering abilities? That's all I'm saying...

He wasn't trying to cause permanent blindness, lol. It was nowhere near the magnitude of it against the Nazgul or Uruk-Hai. Yet, it still was rather potent and caused the three to have difficulty even looking forward. [/B]

If Gandalf decided to Earthquake the Bridge right away, the Balrog would have fallen within seconds. Gandalf was tired, and had no desire battling the demon- he tried to command it to flee.

And besides, I don't see how his battle against the Balrog is relevant to this duel at hand. [/B]

That Shield handily blocked a mighty smash by an eighteen-foot demon.

Furthermore, against the Blinding Light, Voldemort may off-aim his spell, and will difficulty concentrating his attack against the shield. [/B]

I'll repeat it once more- if wands can be broken by mere force, and Gandalf has the capability of burning swords or shattering legitimate staffs, then it's completely logical he can do the same to Voldemort's stick.

Your power-level argument is nonsensical. Gandalf saw the channeling by the Witch-King and held his staff in defense; otherwise, he might have shattered the Nazgul's blade or burned its hilt. Power-level has no relevance.

Regardless of whatever you believe in, Gandalf wins this duel. [/B]

No, the reason gandalf didn't do so is because he couldn't. Why sit there like an idiot or not take the offensive especially if you can shatter your opponents weapon. Gandalf didn't do so against saruman in their first battle because he wasn't powerful enough yet.

Nah, Voldemort wins in a stomp. This isn't close.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say it destroys everything it hits just a piece or a part of it. You tried proclaiming my stance was similar to whatever it hits the entire object is destroyed despite the size, shape, or whatever of the object.

Who says Gandalf solos in a one on one thread ? LOL.

Voldmort's feats are by far more impressive and powerful. Gandalf's bright light and tk is weak sauce compared to a fire basilisk, his energy blasts. avada kedavra, or a charged up black matter energy attack.

Death-spell is not shattering Gandalf's staff or sword. It's also not getting past his magical shield. Accept and move on; stop making things up.

Gandalf solos.

I'd like to see Voldermort free fall for a few miles while fighting a gigantic super-strong demon made of fire/lava/smoke and survive splash-down. Voldermort's fire spells will not harm Gandalf, he wasn't burned by a whip made of fire and he wasn't burned when pressed up against the Balrog's burning body. Death-spell, isn't hitting him. Gandalf's quicker, he doesn't have to utter incantations most times, he blocked multiple attacks (arrow & axe) while casting a spell all in the same moment against three bad-asses.

Have people brought up Gandalf's ability to turn Aragorn's sword into burning metal?

Why can't he do that to Voldemort's wand or head? I don't even consider that feat to be a spell, more like straight up Pyrokinesis.

Originally posted by Robtard
Death-spell is not shattering Gandalf's staff or sword. It's also not getting past his magical shield. Accept and move on; stop making things up.

Gandalf solos.

I'd like to see Voldermort free fall for a few miles while fighting a gigantic super-strong demon made of fire/lava/smoke and survive splash-down. Voldermort's fire spells will not harm Gandalf, he wasn't burned by a whip made of fire and he wasn't burned when pressed up against the Balrog's burning body. Death-spell, isn't hitting him. Gandalf's quicker, he doesn't have to utter incantations most times, he blocked multiple attacks (arrow & axe) while casting a spell all in the same moment against three bad-asses.

Voldemort stomps.

Voldemort's fire spell seemed a lot more powerful than what Gandalf encountered but then again you don't think Voldemort's powerful at all despite his impressive feats and his portrayal.

Gandalf's taking damage and his shields aren't lasting long if not more than a few attacks from Voldemort. He doesn't even need the avada kedavra to breach them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It breaks what it hits is what I am saying. It's like a regular blast from his wand. If it hits something it's taking some damage.

Agree to disagree? Because honestly, Gandalf's staff isn't getting shattered here regardless.

Well since it has never caused anything close to permanent vision loss or anywhere near what you claimed I will take that as a concession. The manner in which he used it in close combat makes Voldemort unable to study his face or see his nosehairs but enough of his body to attack him nonetheless just like Aragorn and the rest.

LOL, how is what I said remotely a concession?

Without any exertion, and without trying to hurt the three, his Blinding Light was that potent in close range. In greater power, Gandalf was able to blind hundreds of Uruk-Hai and drive back three Nazgul on Fell Beasts from a large distance away. Voldemort will be completely stunned by the sheer brightness of the Blinding Light.

You can't call Gandalf was tired when it took him over a day to defeat the Balrog. He might not have desired a fight because who would but he wasn't tired or nearly depleted at that point. Gandalf was depleted after his day plus battle though. I don't think it matters either because this is a matchup thread not to see who does better or worse in the situations these characters found themselves in.

Yeah, okay, fine. Gandalf has insane stamina/constitution.

Yes, which shows the shield is powerful but nowhere near as powerful as the Hogwarts shield which was completely disintegrating those who ran into it. Voldemort is pretty accurate to it will definitely be hitting him or his shield. Legoals didn't seem to have a problem doing so and we don't see an accuracy problem from Voldemort.

Yeah, the same shield that was massively damaged by the earlier Death Eater bombardment. All Voldemort did was break a small portion, and the disintegration followed suit throughout the rest of the shield, thereby proving how ruined it was when he destroyed it.

Voldemort did this: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_penetration_spell

Oh yeah, helps to read the aside: Whilst one may take this as an outward sign of the power required by this spell, it should be noted that Voldemort was not the master of the wand then, so it may be easier to cast in other circumstances.

Ergo, on top of what I said, this proves that your Voldemort-breaks-shield-power-showing isn't as OMG!!!111 as you make it out to be.

And I'm not sure when Avada Kedavra started to have shield-penetrating capabilities, according to you.

By character, his opening move will be an Avada Kedavra blast. Gandalf can Blinding Light, Shield, and burn/shatter wand in rapid succession.

I don't think so. In the lotr movies it was clear you need to be more powerful than your opponent to do so. You can disagree but to me it doesn't make any sense to be able to do so to anyone especially when the same tactic was used against gandalf.

LOL, Gandalf is a Maiar, aka a demigod. Even by your silly logic, he's already more powerful than Voldemort, a mere human being.

No, the reason gandalf didn't do so is because he couldn't. Why sit there like an idiot or not take the offensive especially if you can shatter your opponents weapon. Gandalf didn't do so against saruman in their first battle because he wasn't powerful enough yet.

Nah, Voldemort wins in a stomp. This isn't close.

Again, Gandalf = Maiar; Voldemort = man. Maiar > man. Voldemort can't break Gandalf's staff, or even kill the White Wizard, because he's not powerful enough. Quanchi Logic 101!

the ninjak has the right idea:

Originally posted by the ninjak
Have people brought up Gandalf's ability to turn Aragorn's sword into burning metal?

Why can't he do that to Voldemort's wand or head? I don't even consider that feat to be a spell, more like straight up Pyrokinesis.

Yeah, we have mentioned that ability. Quanchi seems to think that won't work because Voldemort is more powerful than Gandalf.

Gandalf's status as a Maiar isn't mentioned in the films, though the idea that he is superhuman in certain respects is demonstrated or implied {his stamina}. Referencing things from the books is disallowed and so I see no reason to conclude that Gandalf is some sort of angelic being/demi-god based on his performance in the films.

The Canadian and Quanchi are correct: Voldemort's showings eclipse Gandalf's considerably.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Gandalf's status as a Maiar isn't mentioned in the films, though the idea that he is superhuman in certain respects is demonstrated or implied {his stamina}. Referencing things from the books is disallowed and so I see no reason to conclude that Gandalf is some sort of angelic being/demi-god based on his performance in the films.

The Canadian and Quanchi are correct: Voldemort's showings eclipse Gandalf's considerably.

Gandalf: "300 lives of men I have walked on this earth..."

*** Gandalf: " I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor..."

Gandalf: "But through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine.."

Gandalf: "This foe is beyond any of you." (yet I smite "his ruin on the mountain-side" later)

Gandalf: "I have been sent back"

Give me a break, it's frickin obvious that Gandalf is an "angelic being/demi-god" from the films.

No, they are not right. Showings are irrelevant. Voldemort has more eye-popping showings than Yoda, but Yoda is the superior combatant.

Gandalf > Voldemort

Read the arguments here and you can see why more posters than just myself believe it so...

KV
Give me a break, it's frickin obvious that Gandalf is an "angelic being/demi-god" from the films.

Me
though the idea that he is superhuman in certain respects is demonstrated or implied

Nothing you provided indicates that he is a demi-god. We can go through each one, if you'd like, whereupon I can show you that these are not traits exclusive to a god, but that would be tedious and surely you can set aside your rivalry with Quanchi to realize that.

KV
No, they are not right. Showings are irrelevant. Voldemort has more eye-popping showings than Yoda, but Yoda is the superior combatant.

Gandalf > Voldemort

Read the arguments here and you can see why more posters than just myself believe it so...

I've read them and found them wanting.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Nothing you provided indicates that he is a demi-god. We can go through each one, if you'd like, whereupon I can show you that these are not traits exclusive to a god, but that would be tedious and surely you can set aside your rivalry with Quanchi to realize that.

Be my guest, if you like. Gandalf is beyond Hobbit, Dwarf, Elf, Human, and Dunedain. Voldemort is a human. Gandalf is on a higher level than the Dark Wizard. That's the overall point.

Rivalry? 😕 I have as much a rivalry with you and the Canadian as I do with Quanchi.

I've read them and found them wanting.

What I find wanting is your completely baseless opinion 🙄

Gandalf > Voldemort.

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KV
Be my guest, if you like.

👆

KV
Gandalf: "300 lives of men I have walked on this earth..."

cool

Elves are unusually long-lived; are they demi-gods, too? What about Ents? Let's leave the realm of Middle-Earth: What about vampires, werewolves, pixies, fairies, etc. and so forth?

KV
*** Gandalf: " I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor..."

Being a servant makes you a demi-god now?

KV
Gandalf: "But through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine.."

This would have nothing to do with him being a wizard and therefore uncommonly powerful relative to most Middle Earthlings? What about this screams "demi-god"?

KV
Gandalf: "This foe is beyond any of you." (yet I smite "his ruin on the mountain-side" later)

{And died in the process?}

Me
This would have nothing to do with him being a wizard and therefore uncommonly powerful relative to most Middle Earthlings? What about this screams "demi-god"?

KV
Gandalf: "I have been sent back"

That he was resurrected and enhanced by a higher power screams demi-god?

KV
Gandalf is beyond Hobbit, Dwarf, Elf, Human, and Dunedain. Voldemort is a human. Gandalf is on a higher level than the Dark Wizard. That's the overall point.

No, your chosen phrase was "demi-god." Nothing and I do mean nothing {as in zilch} that you've provided indicates that Gandalf is anything other than a very powerful individual, particularly when compared to dwarves and your rank-and-file humans. None of this was in dispute by anyone, so do us all a favor and let's avoid these tedious tangential arguments by keeping your eyes on the prize.

Cover your ass by not making claims you can't support.

KV
Rivalry? 😕 I have as much a rivalry with you and the Canadian as I do with Quanchi.

Whatever eases the pain of your faltering confidence, my sweet. uhuh

KV
What I find wanting is your completely baseless opinion 🙄

no u

Take your anger and keep it in reserve for those who care {which wouldn't include me}; your job is to provide proof and your performance is about as impressive as the White Wizard's against the Dark Wizard. {Which is to say not at all.}

KV
Gandalf > Voldemort.

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Me
Whatever eases the pain of your faltering confidence, my sweet. uhuh

Spoiler:
I love you even when you're wrong, though, so take heart.

Originally posted by Korto Vos
Agree to disagree? Because honestly, Gandalf's staff isn't getting shattered here regardless.

LOL, how is what I said remotely a concession?

Without any exertion, and without trying to hurt the three, his Blinding Light was that potent in close range. In greater power, Gandalf was able to blind hundreds of Uruk-Hai and drive back three Nazgul on Fell Beasts from a large distance away. Voldemort will be completely stunned by the sheer brightness of the Blinding Light.[/B]

Yeah, okay, fine. Gandalf has insane stamina/constitution. [/B]

Yeah, the same shield that was massively damaged by the earlier Death Eater bombardment. All Voldemort did was break a small portion, and the disintegration followed suit throughout the rest of the shield, thereby proving how ruined it was when he destroyed it. [/B]

Voldemort did this: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_penetration_spell

Oh yeah, helps to read the aside: Whilst one may take this as an outward sign of the power required by this spell, it should be noted that Voldemort was not the master of the wand then, so it may be easier to cast in other circumstances.

Ergo, on top of what I said, this proves that your Voldemort-breaks-shield-power-showing isn't as OMG!!!111 as you make it out to be.

And I'm not sure when Avada Kedavra started to have shield-penetrating capabilities, according to you.

By character, his opening move will be an Avada Kedavra blast. Gandalf can Blinding Light, Shield, and burn/shatter wand in rapid succession. [/B]

It still is an awesome feat a lot more so than blinding some idiotic Uruk-Hair or the Nazgul whom have been owned by a man wildly swinging a torch.

When doesn't the avada kedavra cause damage to a physical object it touches ?

No, he can't break someone's wand who is more powerful than he is. Gandalfl the grey lost to Saruman because of this.

LOL, Gandalf is a Maiar, aka a demigod. Even by your silly logic, he's already more powerful than Voldemort, a mere human being.

Again, Gandalf = Maiar; Voldemort = man. Maiar > man. Voldemort can't break Gandalf's staff, or even kill the White Wizard, because he's not powerful enough. Quanchi Logic 101!

the ninjak has the right idea:

Yeah, we have mentioned that ability. Quanchi seems to think that won't work because Voldemort is more powerful than Gandalf. [/B]

Voldemort's attacks and power is greater than Gandalf's so Gandalf's method isn't viable here.