http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kBN340vd4
At around 3:40.
Originally posted by Darth TruculentVoldemort wouldn't attempt a battle by himself at helms deep either. The forces he had charging Howgwarts would decimate that force. There wouldn't need to be clever tactics. It's also funny because Gandalf showed up towards the end and was never by himself so acting like it's fair to compare just Voldemort vs. an entire army of ten thousand isn't really fair either.
Didn't Aragorn's sword burn his hand and seemed to be on fire when they encountered Gandalf in Fangorn? Gandalf didn't speak a word when he blocked a thrown axe, an arrow shot at him from point-blank range and a sword thrust. Voldemort's wand might begin to burn or his body before he would be able to speak a word.If a little kid can beat Voldemort, then how can Voldemort expect to beat Gandalf who killed a Balrog after two days of fighting? This Balrog was no mere Balrog either. The Balrog of Morgoth . . . Morgoth was worse and more powerful than Sauron.
Gandalf has experience and knowledge not only from formal magic training, but other teachers like the Elves. It is similiar to Jedi or Sith training where each student has multiple teachers, but Gandalf had hundreds of years of training from various diferent Masters. How many years did Voldemort have?
If Voldemort fought in the War of the Ring, he wouldn't survive the Battle of Helms Deep, The Seige of Minas Tirith or the Battle of the Black Gate. It was dirty, close fighting where a wand would be useless and magical powers. The only useful tool is a sword.
Originally posted by RobtardThe avada kedvara breaks his staff.
Gandalf solos.Voldermort can't get pasted his uber-shield.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The avada kedvara breaks his staff.
Lovely, Avada Kedavra now breaks staffs as well, eh?
Gandalf automatically kicks in Blinding Light instantly, which if you didn't know, blinded/immobilized all of the Uruk-Hai during the Rohirrim charge at Helms Deep (yes, it's very powerful). And almost simultaneously he either shatters Voldemort's wand or burns Voldemort's hand or wand, rendering the Dark Wizard helpless.
For Voldemort's benefit, let us say he manages to aim Avada Kedavra (despite the Blinding Light) on target. Well, seeing how Gandalf can errect his Shield right away, he blocks that attack.
Voldemort could apparate to save himself, but without his wand, he's gone.
EDIT: And this is without even bringing up the Maiar argument, which theoretically is a default win for Gandalf.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You didn't imagine it, but Frodo did. It was just a dream, remember. 😉With Luffy he has solid feats that prove his strength. That they don't go flying is narrative convenience. The staff thrusts do not have established power behind them.
Prove the power of these staff thrusts. Plus Quan makes a good point with Saruman getting shanked by Wormtongue.
By the way, are we counting the extended editions in this?
1. No.
2. As does Gandalf. Physically fighting a Balrog for an extended period. The staff thrusts can wound people of Gandalf's durability. Also, ability to toss Gandalf to the top of Isengard. His TK is easily sufficient for killing someone of unremarkable durability like Voldemort.
3. Quan never makes a good point, and once more, his power was broken by that point. Though it's not really important, you don't have to be immune to stabbing to be much more durable than Voldemort.
4. Considering Grima only stabbed Saruman in said extended edition, I can only assume you are.
Originally posted by Korto VosWhy wouldn't break a staff we have seen completely destroyed by the Witch King of all peeps ?
Lovely, Avada Kedavra now breaks staffs as well, eh?Gandalf automatically kicks in Blinding Light instantly, which if you didn't know, blinded/immobilized all of the Uruk-Hai during the Rohirrim charge at Helms Deep (yes, it's very powerful). And almost simultaneously he either shatters Voldemort's wand or burns Voldemort's hand or wand, rendering the Dark Wizard helpless.
For Voldemort's benefit, let us say he manages to aim Avada Kedavra (despite the Blinding Light) on target. Well, seeing how Gandalf can errect his Shield right away, he blocks that attack.
Voldemort could apparate to save himself, but without his wand, he's gone.
EDIT: And this is without even bringing up the Maiar argument, which theoretically is a default win for Gandalf.
No, sorry I don't see this occurring. He may blind some Uruk hai or the Nazgul who were far from perfect or unbeatable (torches, dude). You are powerset arguing again. Claiming he does so then breaks the staff which he does not do ever in succession or in quickly without giving Voldemort the time to counter.
The shield can block a Balrog not Voldemort's powers. Voldemort easily dissipated the fire basilisk with his powers effortlessly when Dumbledore redirected it at him. Unlike Gandalf Voldemort can easily extinguish fire magic without having to erect a shield and flirt with danger up close and personal.
Voldemort's wand won't be broken. The magical user has to be greater in power and Voldemort's clearly his superior in that regard.
Saruman died as well as Gandalf died as the grey version. For the purposes of the forum that's a loss. Voldemort can't technically die without destroying the horcruxes but if either is killed they lose the thread without being permanently killed.
You got Yoda killed already now it seems you are out for vengeance with Gandalf. Voldemort slays another of your favorites.
Originally posted by ares834
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kBN340vd4At around 3:40.
I still don't see it. At that speed, the heat from the fire (if it is even hot) would not matter much. It would get mixed in with the icecold air around it.
If it would have been hot, his hair and clothes would have caught fire and we clearly see he was not immune to damage.
When Gandalf was grabbed by the fire whip, it did not burn him or his clothes...further proof that the flames are not necessarily hot.
It see it as more of a magical flame (it is) that is sort of look a room temperature flame (that's what it appears to be.
Keep in mind that we will just see rebuttals of "oh, well...Gandalf was IMMUNE!" or "Oh...uhh....Gandalf had shields UP man!"
There's no proof of that. The only time he used a shield against it, we clearly saw the shield.
Everything else would be adding abilities that do not exist.
However, I though you were saying that he phased THROUGH the Balrog with that flame comment.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why wouldn't break a staff we have seen completely destroyed by the Witch King of all peeps ?No, sorry I don't see this occurring. He may blind some Uruk hai or the Nazgul who were far from perfect or unbeatable (torches, dude). You are powerset arguing again. Claiming he does so then breaks the staff which he does not do ever in succession or in quickly without giving Voldemort the time to counter.
The shield can block a Balrog not Voldemort's powers. Voldemort easily dissipated the fire basilisk with his powers effortlessly when Dumbledore redirected it at him. Unlike Gandalf Voldemort can easily extinguish fire magic without having to erect a shield and flirt with danger up close and personal.
Voldemort's wand won't be broken. The magical user has to be greater in power and Voldemort's clearly his superior in that regard.
Saruman died as well as Gandalf died as the grey version. For the purposes of the forum that's a loss. Voldemort can't technically die without destroying the horcruxes but if either is killed they lose the thread without being permanently killed.
You got Yoda killed already now it seems you are out for vengeance with Gandalf. Voldemort slays another of your favorites.
I'll have to agree that the Wizard's shields are much more powerfult than the one Gandalf used against the balrog.
We saw the virtually impenetrable shield the Hogwarts school had on it and in a fit of rage, Voldy took down the shields...despite it standing up to massive bombardment for what appeared to be hours.
So, yes, Gandalf's shield is not comparable to the Wizard's shields, by feats.
If that strike from the Balrog was strong enough, it would have broken the bridge...but it didn't, so the strike was not uber powerful.
So, going by feats, yeah, the hogwarts shields is far stronger...and Voldy has the feat to take down Gandalf's shield but a large amount (we saw Gandalf's shields drop to just that single strike.)
BUT WAIT!
THERE'S MORE!
Some will say that the Balrog had anti-Gandalf shield magic in that strike. The problem: no evidence of that and it will not fly in the MVF. You gotsta have prooofs!
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. No.2. As does Gandalf. Physically fighting a Balrog for an extended period. The staff thrusts can wound people of Gandalf's durability. Also, ability to toss Gandalf to the top of Isengard. His TK is easily sufficient for killing someone of unremarkable durability like Voldemort.
3. Quan never makes a good point, and once more, his power was broken by that point. Though it's not really important, you don't have to be immune to stabbing to be much more durable than Voldemort.
4. Considering Grima only stabbed Saruman in said extended edition, I can only assume you are.
1. As the discussion on the previous pages proved, yes.
2. Which only happened in a dream and so is unusable in the thread, so Gandalf has human durability. When Saruman did that he had Gandalfs staff, so it wasn't a base-level feat. If Gandalf could kill people with the TK why the **** didn't he do that in the many battles he was in? Using an explantion from the movies please.
3. This isn't a durability contest.
4. Which is why I'm asking. Because there a good and bad feats in the extended edition.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why wouldn't break a staff we have seen completely destroyed by the Witch King of all peeps ?
Facepalm
Quan, you were claiming that Avada Kedavra would break Gandalf's staff. I questioned your statement, and your evidence is that because the Witch King broke Gandalf's staff (using his own unique magic), somehow Avada Kedavra, a Killing Curse, would have staff-shattering abilities.
Umm...no? That makes no sense.
No, sorry I don't see this occurring. He may blind some Uruk hai or the Nazgul who were far from perfect or unbeatable (torches, dude). You are powerset arguing again. Claiming he does so then breaks the staff which he does not do ever in succession or in quickly without giving Voldemort the time to counter.
Facepalm, again
I am arguing the sheer power of the Blinding Light. It completely immobilized hundreds and hundreds of Uruk-Hai during the Rohirrim charge.
"Far from perfect or unbeatable" - I'm demonstrating the magnitude of the Blinding Light, not touting the strength of the Nazgul or Uruk-Hai.
Now, unless you want to say that Voldemort has uber-powerful eyes, yes, the Dark Wizard will be blinded/immobilized by Gandalf's spell.
No, it's not "powerset arguing" if it occurs during The Two Towers. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli ambushed Gandalf, and with a sense of precognition, the Istari immediately activated Blinding Light, shattered the projectiles, and burned the sword out of Aragorn's hand. All of this happened within seconds, and without Gandalf even trying.
As you can see, I'm not just bullshitting on the spot. I don't make arguments out-of-character. What is in character is that Voldemort will fire a blast of Avada Kedavra first, and Gandalf could unleash Blinding Light, kick in his Shield (which blocks the Killing Curse), and either shatter the wand/burn the wand in seconds.
The shield can block a Balrog not Voldemort's powers. Voldemort easily dissipated the fire basilisk with his powers effortlessly when Dumbledore redirected it at him. Unlike Gandalf Voldemort can easily extinguish fire magic without having to erect a shield and flirt with danger up close and personal.
Facepalm, galore
How are you assuming that the Shield won't block Voldemort's spells? You have no argument that it's a Balrog-only Shield; the Shield is a white bubble, not a flame-covered barrier (which, if it was, you could claim it's only against fire magic).
By your logic, I can say that Voldemort's spells have no effect against Gandalf (which actually, if one chooses to bring in the fact that the White Wizard is a MAIAR, then Gandalf automatically wins; for the sake of this thread, I'm choosing not to do so).
So what if Voldemort could do that? It has no relevance in this duel.
Voldemort's wand won't be broken. The magical user has to be greater in power and Voldemort's clearly his superior in that regard.
Great, that is your baseless opinion. Wands can be destroyed by just breaking them in half with your hands. Sorry, but Gandalf can easily break/burn a piece of magical wood.
Saruman died as well as Gandalf died as the grey version. For the purposes of the forum that's a loss. Voldemort can't technically die without destroying the horcruxes but if either is killed they lose the thread without being permanently killed.
Gandalf the Grey died against another Maiar, a Balrog, a creature of equal footing as him. And Gandalf stripped Saruman of his powers, expelled him from the order of the Istari, and shattered his staff. Wormtongue could only kill him because of that.
"Voldemort can't technically die without the Horcruxes"....okay...
...Gandalf the White can't be killed if his opponent isn't at least a demigod or higher. /Thread.
You got Yoda killed already now it seems you are out for vengeance with Gandalf. Voldemort slays another of your favorites.
Where is this even coming from? Are you that insecure about the embarrassment you received during the Battlezone that you have to bring that up in every future argument with me?
Before, I thought you used to make actually rational arguments for Voldemort. But now, you are just coming across as a fanboy that can't accept the limitations of your character.
Yoda > Voldemort. Anyone who read that Battlezone would know I prevailed in that debate.
Gandalf > Voldemort. If others weren't agreeing with you, you would have been trounced before I even entered the fray by other posters.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll have to agree that the Wizard's shields are much more powerfult than the one Gandalf used against the balrog.
You have nothing backing this assertion.
That Shield blocked and broke the Balrog's flame sword. There was a massive amount of force behind that strike.
We saw the virtually impenetrable shield the Hogwarts school had on it and in a fit of rage, Voldy took down the shields...despite it standing up to massive bombardment for what appeared to be hours.
Wonderful, Voldemort either:
A. broke a severely damaged shield (that was dented by a "massive bombardment"😉
B. knew the proper incantation to break this severely-damaged shield
So, yes, Gandalf's shield is not comparable to the Wizard's shields, by feats.
Thanks for your opinion!
If that strike from the Balrog was strong enough, it would have broken the bridge...but it didn't, so the strike was not uber powerful.
WHAA-?
The strike didn't break the bridge because all the force concentrated within it was directed against Gandalf, and the Shield absorbed all of that energy.
So, going by feats, yeah, the hogwarts shields is far stronger...and Voldy has the feat to take down Gandalf's shield but a large amount (we saw Gandalf's shields drop to just that single strike.)
1. You claimed that the Hogwarts shield > Gandalf's Shield, but unless my eyes deceive me, I didn't see anything backing your assertion.
2. Voldemort took down a shield that severely damaged by a massive bombardment, and could have very well known the specific spell to remove such a barrier.
BUT WAIT!THERE'S MORE!
Some will say that the Balrog had anti-Gandalf shield magic in that strike. The problem: no evidence of that and it will not fly in the MVF. You gotsta have prooofs!
And you "gotsta have prooofs" that the Hogwarts shield > Gandalf's Shield.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I still don't see it. At that speed, the heat from the fire (if it is even hot) would not matter much. It would get mixed in with the icecold air around it.
Yeah, I never said Gandalf was immune to the flames but rather verifying what Gandalf said when he claimed that he "fell through fire and water."
If it would have been hot, his hair and clothes would have caught fire and we clearly see he was not immune to damage.
Gandalf tanks Saruman's fireball... Clearly he has magic that does make him immune to fire.
Originally posted by NephthysYeah no.
1. As the discussion on the previous pages proved, yes.2. Which only happened in a dream and so is unusable in the thread, so Gandalf has human durability. When Saruman did that he had Gandalfs staff, so it wasn't a base-level feat. If Gandalf could kill people with the TK why the **** didn't he do that in the many battles he was in? Using an explantion from the movies please.
3. This isn't a durability contest.
4. Which is why I'm asking. Because there a good and bad feats in the extended edition.
An obvious troll is obvious.
We can see the pit is very ****ing deep as early as Fellowship, no human could survive it and continue fighting.
Not responding to you while you spout idiotic bullshit.
Originally posted by Korto VosWhy wouldn't it have a breaking or shattering effect on a staff we have seen broken otherwise. The killing curse isn't going to power it up. Yes, it makes perfect sense but you also foolishly believe the word Maiar means auto victory.
[B]FacepalmQuan, you were claiming that Avada Kedavra would break Gandalf's staff. I questioned your statement, and your evidence is that because the Witch King broke Gandalf's staff (using his own unique magic), somehow Avada Kedavra, a Killing Curse, would have staff-shattering abilities.
Umm...no? That makes no sense. [/B]
It stunned them for a mere moment. They were also footsoldiers of no real relevance either other than their immense numbers. Gandalf never used that in battle to gain an advantage only to allow friends a moment's reprieve or time to escape the enemy's clutches.
Facepalm, againI am arguing the sheer power of the Blinding Light. It completely immobilized hundreds and hundreds of Uruk-Hai during the Rohirrim charge.
"Far from perfect or unbeatable" - I'm demonstrating the magnitude of the Blinding Light, not touting the strength of the Nazgul or Uruk-Hai.[/B]
Voldemort might be taken aback for a moment but that's it. Yes, Gandalf taking out those three foes showed he was beyond them but who care we already know the Grey version once when he defeated the Balrog. Voldemort won't be charging Gandalf and this will only blind him for a moment. Voldemort's quick reflexes assure offensive magic coming quickly in succession immediately afterwards. Points to Voldemort's immediate counter to Dumbledore's attempt at drowning him.
Now, unless you want to say that Voldemort has uber-powerful eyes, yes, the Dark Wizard will be blinded/immobilized by Gandalf's spell.No, it's not "powerset arguing" if it occurs during The Two Towers. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli ambushed Gandalf, and with a sense of precognition, the Istari immediately activated Blinding Light, shattered the projectiles, and burned the sword out of Aragorn's hand. All of this happened within seconds, and without Gandalf even trying.
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The shield won't block it. Hell, Voldemort's all out energy burst is going to wreck his shield since he single handedly wrecked the Hogwarts reinforced shield. Only a fanatic would claim Gandalf's shield is more powerful than one reinforced by multiple wizards from the hp universe. I also don't believe this tactic could even destroy Voldemort's wand. I believe you have to be more powerful to do so otherwise Gandalf the grey would have done so initially against Saruman.
As you can see, I'm not just bullshitting on the spot. I don't make arguments out-of-character. What is in character is that Voldemort will fire a blast of Avada Kedavra first, and Gandalf could unleash Blinding Light, kick in his Shield (which blocks the Killing Curse), and either shatter the wand/burn the wand in seconds.
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I am not saying the shield can only block a Balrog's attacks I am saying it isn't powerful enough to withstand someone of Voldemort's power in reference to Deathly Hallows Part 2 where he wrecks the Hogwarts shield basically on his own; well the lionshare of it anyways.
Facepalm, galoreHow are you assuming that the Shield won't block Voldemort's spells? You have no argument that it's a Balrog-only Shield; the Shield is a white bubble, not a flame-covered barrier (which, if it was, you could claim it's only against fire magic).
By your logic, I can say that Voldemort's spells have no effect against Gandalf (which actually, if one chooses to bring in the fact that the White Wizard is a MAIAR, then Gandalf automatically wins; for the sake of this thread, I'm choosing not to do so). [/B]
I am just saying how powerful he is to extinguish fire with a gesture unlike Gandalf who has to physically block it with his staff shield.
So what if Voldemort could do that? It has no relevance in this duel. [/B]
Great, that is your baseless opinion. Wands can be destroyed by just breaking them in half with your hands. Sorry, but Gandalf can easily break/burn a piece of magical wood.Gandalf the Grey died against another Maiar, a Balrog, a creature of equal footing as him. And Gandalf stripped Saruman of his powers, expelled him from the order of the Istari, and shattered his staff. Wormtongue could only kill him because of that.
"Voldemort can't technically die without the Horcruxes"....okay...[/B]
Yes, he did die against a being who physically taxed him for over a day of fighting. Gandalf destroyed his staff and he was attacked and killed while not prepared for it. Gandalf would die if someone stabbed him in the face just like the Witch King did. The Witch King also broke Gandalf's staff that doesn't mean he depowered him only that he broke his staff and limited his options or magical might. Saruman was defenseless against the blades and without his shields or anything up which makes both he and Gandalf so formidable.
It's just a little trash talk I would have hoped you wouldn't take it so personally and as an affront to your sensibilities.
Where is this even coming from? Are you that insecure about the embarrassment you received during the Battlezone that you have to bring that up in every future argument with me?Before, I thought you used to make actually rational arguments for Voldemort. But now, you are just coming across as a fanboy that can't accept the limitations of your character.
Yoda > Voldemort. Anyone who read that Battlezone would know I prevailed in that debate.
Gandalf > Voldemort. If others weren't agreeing with you, you would have been trounced before I even entered the fray by other posters. [/B]
I am making a rational argument as others have been doing as well. I also think the reason most haven't chimed in is because of their personal dislike of me they don't want to give me the satisfaction of saying I won.
No, like always I thin the herd and at the end of the day prevail.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
@ NephIf you're going to argue about dreams, I can say that the beginning scene was a flashback, and when Frodo yells "Gandalf," he could have been dreaming about something completely differently.
There's no proof otherwise 😛
You could.
But you would be unsuccessful. 😐
(I'm having computer problems atm so it might be a few days until I can properly reply)
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why wouldn't it have a breaking or shattering effect on a staff we have seen broken otherwise. The killing curse isn't going to power it up. Yes, it makes perfect sense but you also foolishly believe the word Maiar means auto victory.
Again, you make no sense.
It stunned them for a mere moment. They were also footsoldiers of no real relevance either other than their immense numbers. Gandalf never used that in battle to gain an advantage only to allow friends a moment's reprieve or time to escape the enemy's clutches.
It stunned them for enough time for the cavalry to rip through the line of pike defenses. In addition, it blinded hundreds of Uruks. Thus, a Blinding Light concentrated on a single opponent would be devastating.
I don't care if you think they have "no real relevance." Voldemort doesn't have light-resistant eyes; he will be as vulnerable as the Uruk-Hai.
And umm yes....Gandalf used it in battle, and he used it against an assault by Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli. Therefore, I can say that he will use it against Voldemort.
Voldemort might be taken aback for a moment but that's it. Yes, Gandalf taking out those three foes showed he was beyond them but who care we already know the Grey version once when he defeated the Balrog.
The "that's it" will be more than enough time for Gandalf to defeat him.
Voldemort won't be charging Gandalf and this will only blind him for a moment. Voldemort's quick reflexes assure offensive magic coming quickly in succession immediately afterwards. Points to Voldemort's immediate counter to Dumbledore's attempt at drowning him.
Umm, yeah, he might be able to aim one Avada Kedavra on target, but that will be blocked by the Shield.
The shield won't block it. Hell, Voldemort's all out energy burst is going to wreck his shield since he single handedly wrecked the Hogwarts reinforced shield. Only a fanatic would claim Gandalf's shield is more powerful than one reinforced by multiple wizards from the hp universe. I also don't believe this tactic could even destroy Voldemort's wand. I believe you have to be more powerful to do so otherwise Gandalf the grey would have done so initially against Saruman.
You know of my logical counters against the Voldemort-destroying-Hogwarts-shield argument.
Again, you are making fanboy assumptions. Power level has nothing to do with magic that involves burning weapons or shattering objects. The Elder Wand, the strongest wand in HP lore, was snapped in half in the films without any magic.
This is Gandalf the White, btw.
I am not saying the shield can only block a Balrog's attacks I am saying it isn't powerful enough to withstand someone of Voldemort's power in reference to Deathly Hallows Part 2 where he wrecks the Hogwarts shield basically on his own; well the lionshare of it anyways.
Yes, the shield can block a single, directed concentrated attack, like against the Balrog's strike.
He can only do so if he is more powerful than Voldemort which he is not. It isn't logical to assume he can break any wizard's staff or wand unless he's more powerful than them which is why Gandalf the grey failed whereas Gandalf the white prevailed against Saruman. It's only logical.
Are you kidding me? This is only illogical. You basically said, "I believe Gandalf isn't stronger than Voldemort. Therefore, he can't hurt him. He loses."
There's no argument in what you said whatsoever.
Yes, he did die against a being who physically taxed him for over a day of fighting. Gandalf destroyed his staff and he was attacked and killed while not prepared for it. Gandalf would die if someone stabbed him in the face just like the Witch King did. The Witch King also broke Gandalf's staff that doesn't mean he depowered him only that he broke his staff and limited his options or magical might. Saruman was defenseless against the blades and without his shields or anything up which makes both he and Gandalf so formidable.
I have no idea where you are getting at with what you said here.
It's just a little trash talk I would have hoped you wouldn't take it so personally and as an affront to your sensibilities.
It came out of nowhere, which is why I became slightly irritated.
I am making a rational argument as others have been doing as well. I also think the reason most haven't chimed in is because of their personal dislike of me they don't want to give me the satisfaction of saying I won.No, like always I thin the herd and at the end of the day prevail.
🙄 Sure Quanchi, whatever you say.
Originally posted by Korto Vos
It stunned them for enough time for the cavalry to rip through the line of pike defenses. In addition, it blinded [B]hundreds of Uruks. Thus, a Blinding Light concentrated on a single opponent would be devastating.I don't care if you think they have "no real relevance." Voldemort doesn't have light-resistant eyes; he will be as vulnerable as the Uruk-Hai.
And umm yes....Gandalf used it in battle, and he used it against an assault by Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli. Therefore, I can say that he will use it against Voldemort. [/B]
😐
That was the Sun.
Lol.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah no.An obvious troll is obvious.
We can see the pit is very ****ing deep as early as Fellowship, no human could survive it and continue fighting.
Not responding to you while you spout idiotic bullshit.
If you want to try your hand at arguing otherwise, do so. Merely stating your opinion isn't going to cut it I'm afraid.
If however, you'd like to run away and not respond like you did last time, go right ahead. 👆
Originally posted by Korto Vos
@ NephIf you're going to argue about dreams, I can say that the beginning scene was a flashback, and when Frodo yells "Gandalf," he could have been dreaming about something completely differently.
There's no proof otherwise 😛
We see an sequence of events with Gandalf in them, then we see Frodo start awake right when Gandalf hits the water and shout 'Gandalf!' and then he mentions that he had a dream. And you expect to successfully argue that the two are not at all linked?
Naw.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The avada kedvara breaks his staff.
Stop making things up, the death-spell is a killing spell, not a "destroys everything I need it to" spell, you're now worse than RJ in here, good job.
Gandalf solos, his shields are impregnable to the likes of Voldermort and he's more powerful overall. Gandalf fights epic battles; Voldermort dies to the hands of a man-boy student wizard.
Originally posted by NephthysThat was the Sun.
The Sun doesn't work that way. :-| Also, the Uruk-Hai aren't like goblins; they can fight in regular sunlight. Clearly, Gandalf amplified the light using his own magic.
We see an sequence of events with Gandalf in them, then we see Frodo start awake right when Gandalf hits the water and shout 'Gandalf!' and then he mentions that he had a dream. And you expect to successfully argue that the two are not at all linked?Naw.
We see a sequence of events with Gandalf battling the Balrog that are obviously meant to be a flashback (not a dream) demonstrating what happened after he fell off the Bridge of Khazad-Dum.
Yeah.