But what you describe there is as I said "pure physical damage" by the sounds of it, blue and yellow lightning. When I say thats what they typically have, the counter is that Killy has access to Warcraft magics such as transformations, invisability, teleportation, all pretty standard to name a few. Their magic also affects minds, allow them to travel into and out of dimensions etc.
Kiljaeden even as a basic sorceror could probably just transform Old One Eye into a rabbit.
Originally posted by Burning thought
But what you describe there is as I said "pure physical damage" by the sounds of it, blue and yellow lightning. When I say thats what they typically have, the counter is that Killy has access to Warcraft magics such as transformations, invisability, teleportation, all pretty standard to name a few. Their magic also affects minds, allow them to travel into and out of dimensions etc.Kiljaeden even as a basic sorceror could probably just transform Old One Eye into a rabbit.
Actually, that was more of a transformation spell. It transformed the Marines to little more than souls trapped in their Power Armour, having reduced their physical bodies to dust. At any rate, Kil'jaeden is more than capable of creaming a foolish mortal who thinks he's hot shit just cause he unleashed planet-wide destruction.
Has this psyker or other powerful ones shown the ability to transform others with their powers into something like an animal like polymorph? can they do things like teleport? In Eisenhorn psyker powers could allow some limited mind controlling and flight in some cases but I am not sure it can go as deep as Warcraft magic in general.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Has this psyker or other powerful ones shown the ability to transform others with their powers into something like an animal like polymorph? can they do things like teleport? In Eisenhorn psyker powers could allow some limited mind controlling and flight in some cases but I am not sure it can go as deep as Warcraft magic in general.
I am not really sure. It's said that Lords of Change, for example, can twist and warp flesh and metal alike, turn "scores of men into boneless spawn" with a flick of their fingers. Yea, teleportation is possible in 40K. I'm pretty sure that Chaos Sorcerers can teleport around.
ArtificialGlory, you have to remember that Magnus didn't fully manifest in Battle of the Fang.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Arguable since what passes for 40k magic seems pretty slim compared to Warcrafts spell usage. Your a fan of pure physical damage attacks which is all you seem to scale by but Killy has his whole powers that go beyond just smashing something.
Magnus could stop all time on a planet with a thought. With a glance he could turn Kil'Jaeden's blood into corrosive acid, or blast his mind or soul into nothingness. These are things he can do casually and without effort.
You have a very limited understanding of 40k as a setting. Psychic powers in 40k are capable of a great deal of feats.
Yes because size is the only indication of toughness!....
Odd that you would take this position in defending SupCom, whose only advantage seems to be the size of the machines. mmm
Big 4 barreled vehicle built for wrecking aircraft.
Yes, I picked up on that.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Magnus could stop all time on a planet with a thought. With a glance he could turn Kil'Jaeden's blood into corrosive acid, or blast his mind or soul into nothingness. These are things he can do casually and without effort.You have a very limited understanding of 40k as a setting. Psychic powers in 40k are capable of a great deal of feats.
Odd that you would take this position in defending SupCom, whose only advantage seems to be the size of the machines. mmm
Thats not evident just because I dont know Magnus' power set, I just dont know Magnus or the Primarchs in general that well although with a gesture I could say similiar things about Kiljeaden not that I have seen evidence of Magnus doing this.
I never said the SupCom units were tough although a larger projectile fired at higher speeds does typically give more power wihch also implies toughness.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats not evident just because I dont know Magnus' power set, I just dont know Magnus or the Primarchs in general that well although with a gesture I could say similiar things about Kiljeaden not that I have seen evidence of Magnus doing this.
You were speaking of psykers in general, not just Magnus and the Primarchs.
Psykers are capable of a great many things in 40k. Transmutation is indeed possible. Actually, an Ork psyker, Zogwort, is famous for his use of a power that turns enemies into Squigs. Magnus could transmute a sea into corrosive acid. Oh, and he could kill entire hordes of Space Wolves by looking at them. As in, he looked at them, and all who met his gaze died.
What really cements Magnus' power though is the fact that he can replicate the Emperor's feat of restraining the forces of Chaos from entering the Materium with his raw psychic might. Magnus was actually the Emperor's first choice for doing this, he is only doing it because Magnus turned traitor.
I never said the SupCom units were tough although a larger projectile fired at higher speeds does typically give more power wihch also implies toughness.
Of course.
But when I asked for teh feats in threads involving SupCom, all I got was the size of the machines, which gives me a very rough idea of what I'm working with.
Originally posted by NemeBro
ArtificialGlory, you have to remember that Magnus didn't fully manifest in Battle of the Fang.Magnus could stop all time on a planet with a thought. With a glance he could turn Kil'Jaeden's blood into corrosive acid, or blast his mind or soul into nothingness. These are things he can do casually and without effort.
You have a very limited understanding of 40k as a setting. Psychic powers in 40k are capable of a great deal of feats.
Odd that you would take this position in defending SupCom, whose only advantage seems to be the size of the machines. mmm
Yes, I picked up on that.
He didn't? Has Magnus ever fully manifested on a battlefield as a Daemon Prince?
Well, Kil'jaeden could do all that to a dude with just as little effort except the time stopping(though the now-obsolete RPG books list KJ as being able to stop time). KJ's blood is already a vile, burning, poisonous liquid and he may not even have a soul anymore, and in Warcraft, having your soul destroyed is not the end of the world.
I've never doubted the ability of psychic powers in Warhammer. After all, Warcraft was quite heavily inspired by WH/40K.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You were speaking of psykers in general, not just Magnus and the Primarchs.Psykers are capable of a great many things in 40k. Transmutation is indeed possible. Actually, an Ork psyker, Zogwort, is famous for his use of a power that turns enemies into Squigs. Magnus could transmute a sea into corrosive acid. Oh, and he could kill entire hordes of Space Wolves by looking at them. As in, he looked at them, and all who met his gaze died.
What really cements Magnus' power though is the fact that he can replicate the Emperor's feat of restraining the forces of Chaos from entering the Materium with his raw psychic might. Magnus was actually the Emperor's first choice for doing this, he is only doing it because Magnus turned traitor.
Of course.
But when I asked for teh feats in threads involving SupCom, all I got was the size of the machines, which gives me a very rough idea of what I'm working with.
Fair enough on all that. If its not in Eisenhorn or the Ultramarines stuff I would not know about it, also would you be able to give the a book or two (names of these books) that best describe all the primarchs, their origins and overall the Horsus heresy?
Well thats because thats all they have, big guns vs big machines and vice versa, the game does not as I say have much description or information to tell us whats happening. Even the names of the weapons are pretty hard to judge apart from "nuclear bomb" but saying x can survive nuke is useless since it would only be in gameplay, not sure its happened in a cutscene.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
He didn't? Has Magnus ever fully manifested on a battlefield as a Daemon Prince?
To my knowledge, no.
It takes an incredible amount of power for a Daemon Primarch to manifest completely.
The only ones who have as far as I know are Angron (And even he had to constantly shed blood and sacrifice people to maintain his hold on the materium), and Mortarion, who showed up briefly to get beaten up by Kaldor Draigo.
Well, Kil'jaeden could do all that to a dude with just as little effort except the time stopping(though the now-obsolete RPG books list KJ as being able to stop time). KJ's blood is already a vile, burning, poisonous liquid and he may not even have a soul anymore, and in Warcraft, having your soul destroyed is not the end of the world.
Huh, did not know KJ's blood was already corrosive. And my son, Magnus could do that shit to Spehss Mehreens, who are moar resistant to psychic powers and the Warp in general (Said explicitly in Black Crusade).
Oh, and of course he could destroy Titans (Ones that dwarf Warlord Titans) with his mind, and still have enough power to effortlessly crush a Greater Daemon in the Warp. Compare this to Cherubael from Eisenhorn, who used up most of his power to destroy a Warlord Titan, while he was in his strongest form.
This is all on top of Primarch physical attributes mind you, who can do shit like destroy mountains physically and survive plummeting through the crust and mantle of a planet to the core as an infant. Magnus is actually one of the most physically powerful Primarchs, matching Leman Russ in martial combat, while also being a giant even among the Primarchs (Who average at a little over ten feet tall).
I've never doubted the ability of psychic powers in Warhammer. After all, Warcraft was quite heavily inspired by WH/40K.
I never said you did. O:
Only said BT was.
Yeah, I've heard Warhammer Fantasy was a pretty big inspiration for Warcraft.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Fair enough on all that. If its not in Eisenhorn or the Ultramarines stuff I would not know about it, also would you be able to give the a book or two (names of these books) that best describe all the primarchs, their origins and overall the Horsus heresy?
It's no big deal. I haven't read Ultramarines, but Eisenhorn has a few decent feats as well, though more limited, compared to Magnus. That is actually canon in 40k, most psykers have a "specialty" that they mostly stick to. For instance, Eisenhorn was a fairly capable telepath. So I can at least see why you would perceive psychic powers in 40k as fairly limited, only a few strong psykers can manage using multiple specialties at a time, with Magnus and the Emperor being powerful in all forms of psychic abilities.
Well, the Horus Heresy series in general is a good place to start. A Thousand Sons is the book that most heavily features the Thousand Sons.
For the actual origins of several Primarchs, if you want I could PM you a download of "Index Astartes," which details a few facts of the different Primarchs' lives.
Well thats because thats all they have, big guns vs big machines and vice versa, the game does not as I say have much description or information to tell us whats happening. Even the names of the weapons are pretty hard to judge apart from "nuclear bomb" but saying x can survive nuke is useless since it would only be in gameplay, not sure its happened in a cutscene.
Eh, I see.
Will drop all SupCom discussions, then, since if the verse is really so vague, then there's no real point in debating for or against it, IMO.
I guess the Horus heresy series would be a good start, also it seems Magnus is in a league of his own as far as Primarchs are concerned if hes a massive, high close combat skilled super Psyker. Its like youve got the Emperor, the Ctan and perhaps the Chaos Gods themselves then you reach Magnus at the top of the more "mortal" entities before reaching a huge gap beneath which you have other primarchs and finally Deamon princes and such.
Do you think Magnus himself could hold a candle to the Emperor?
Originally posted by Burning thought
I guess the Horus heresy series would be a good start, also it seems Magnus is in a league of his own as far as Primarchs are concerned if hes a massive, high close combat skilled super Psyker. Its like youve got the Emperor, the Ctan and perhaps the Chaos Gods themselves then you reach Magnus at the top of the more "mortal" entities before reaching a huge gap beneath which you have other primarchs and finally Deamon princes and such.Do you think Magnus himself could hold a candle to the Emperor?
Well, he's skilled and strong, but not the best in either of these categories. Angron, Sanguinius, and Horus are definitely more skilled combatants, and Vulkan and Ferrus Manus are physically even stronger.
He does however have the overwhelming advantage of being an enormously powerful psyker on top of his other attributes.
Magnus against the Emperor? It is difficult to say. He would lose, Magnus himself admits that the Emperor was psychically more powerful than he was. Hm. Will go with no, the Emperor, on top of being physically at least a match in combat with any Primarch, had the psychic might to actually devastate the Realm of Chaos and actually defeated Horus who had the massed power of all four Chaos Gods. Magnus is powerful, but not to that extent.
Originally posted by NemeBro
To my knowledge, no.It takes an incredible amount of power for a Daemon Primarch to manifest completely.
The only ones who have as far as I know are Angron (And even he had to constantly shed blood and sacrifice people to maintain his hold on the materium), and Mortarion, who showed up briefly to get beaten up by Kaldor Draigo.
Huh, did not know KJ's blood was already corrosive. And my son, Magnus could do that shit to Spehss Mehreens, who are moar resistant to psychic powers and the Warp in general (Said explicitly in Black Crusade).
Oh, and of course he could destroy Titans (Ones that dwarf Warlord Titans) with his mind, and still have enough power to effortlessly crush a Greater Daemon in the Warp. Compare this to Cherubael from Eisenhorn, who used up most of his power to destroy a Warlord Titan, while he was in his strongest form.
This is all on top of Primarch physical attributes mind you, who can do shit like destroy mountains physically and survive plummeting through the crust and mantle of a planet to the core as an infant. Magnus is actually one of the most physically powerful Primarchs, matching Leman Russ in martial combat, while also being a giant even among the Primarchs (Who average at a little over ten feet tall).
So they've in a sense become victims of their own success? Kinda lame having all that awesome power and not being able to flaunt it outside of the Warp.
Well, there's nary an ordinary guy in Warcraft. Virtually everyone is wearing armour/gear that's magically enchanted and made of all sorts of exotic materials. Beings on KJ's level are usually really good at piercing and negating resistances.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
So they've in a sense become victims of their own success? Kinda lame having all that awesome power and not being able to flaunt it outside of the Warp.
Kinda.
People tend to forget that much of the time, the Daemon Primarchs are leading huge armies in the Warp, fighting grand battles for their gods.
Well, there's nary an ordinary guy in Warcraft. Virtually everyone is wearing armour/gear that's magically enchanted and made of all sorts of exotic materials. Beings on KJ's level are usually really good at piercing and negating resistances.
The citizens and shit get that kind of stuff?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Kinda.People tend to forget that much of the time, the Daemon Primarchs are leading huge armies in the Warp, fighting grand battles for their gods.
The citizens and shit get that kind of stuff?
I thought they just sit around planning, meditating, jerking off, etc.
Maybe not your ordinary citizen going about his/her daily business, but basically anyone who goes out to fight. Using plain iron or steel armour and weapons against something like the Burning Legion or the Scourge is no better than throwing yourself into a massive woodchipper.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I thought they just sit around planning, meditating, jerking off, etc.
Perturabo is the only one who just does that.
Maybe not your ordinary citizen going about his/her daily business, but basically anyone who goes out to fight. Using plain iron or steel armour and weapons against something like the Burning Legion or the Scourge is no better than throwing yourself into a massive woodchipper.
Why is that? O: