Achilles vs. Darth Vader (ROTS pre suit)

Originally posted by quanchi112
He lost. He didn't last that long and went down to a mere force push because he was rob raging all over the place.

It fails in battles with an opponent with a saber. It failed him against Dooku and Obi. It fails him here. I am consistent with the movies you aren't.

It doesn't prove he's better than Achilles by any stretch of the imagination. Anakin for all his jump flips it got him nowhere against an inferior opponent. Achilles is his superior and toyed with Hector. The closest the second greatest swordsman got was grazing his chest plate.

Technically he won, as he lived and Maul died. So you're wrong again and you need to watch the film.

You mean to another opponent with Force Battle-Precog, well sure, it's a battle of like-powers. Considering the battle of Genosis alone and the hundreds, if not thousands of shots the Jedi faced, you're consistent with only thing, your ability to downplay and at the fool. Good job.

Showing Vader being a faster swordsman and acrobat does prove exactly that. You have no argument, only downplaying the one you want to see lose.

Originally posted by Robtard
Technically he won, as he lived and Maul died. So you're wrong again and you need to watch the film.

You mean to another opponent with Force Battle-Precog, well sure, it's a battle of like-powers. Considering the battle of Genosis alone and the hundreds, if not thousands of shots the Jedi faced, you're consistent with only thing, your ability to downplay and at the fool. Good job.

Showing Vader being a faster swordsman and acrobat does prove exactly that. You have no argument, only downplaying the one you want to see lose.

Against skilled opponents it fails. It failed him twice against Dooku and once against Obi an inferior opponent. All stated in the film as well. Achilles isn't shooting blaster fire against him either and unlike Achilles who took over the beach with a much smaller force Anakin was doomed until the reinforcements of Yoda showed up.

He isn't faster or is he more effective. Being effective is the key word. Losing isn't really leaving the Achilles side in awe.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he McClaned his way through the fight. He lost and then found a way to win as the enemy gloated.

Against skilled opponents it fails. It failed him twice against Dooku and once against Obi an inferior opponent. All stated in the film as well. Achilles isn't shooting blaster fire against him either and unlike Achilles who took over the beach with a much smaller force Anakin was doomed until the reinforcements of Yoda showed up.

He isn't faster or is he more effective. Being effective is the key word. Losing isn't really leaving the Achilles side in awe.

LoL, so you make a stupid statement, it's shown to be wrong and you still try to downplay. Typical.

Probably because Dooku at the time was a far superior Force-user. Point stills no matter how you down-play, Force Battle-Precog works many, many, many more times than it fails and Achilles loses here because of it, among other factors.

Yet the battle with Kenobi on Mustafar proves Vader is both faster and far more agile. Accept it and just deal with your new Achilles fanboyism.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they didn't

They did.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he not only was fighting against multiple foes directly in front of him but he casually deflected arrows while doing so.

No he didn't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In the clip you provided Anakin isn't being tested by anyone else and blocks the blaster fire.

So, its still more impressive than anything Achilles has done now that your arrow-blocking feat has been revealed to be a lie.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The lost of the room was filled by bureaucrats not elite fighters. It'd be me posting a video of Achilles tearing through a room of scared politicians and acting like you should be wowed.

He blocked a shot to his back without looking at it and with such skill that he managed to hit the droid with the reflected shot. You should be wowed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I take into consideration the times against skilled fighters it fails. It fails him all the time and against Dooku it failed him badly twice in one fight. He stupidly rushed right in yet you claim precog is awesome ? LOL. One force blast is something precog should clue you in on.

Jesus Christ how many times do I have to point out that Dooku and Obi-Wan were also Force users and also had precognition and Force powers? Will 50 be enough for you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see Anakin tossing it anywhere near the distance Achilles has been shown able to do.

Yes he could.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Grievous was stronger than Anakin so blocking a blow doesn't prove he's uber strong. Obi also blocked his attacks and survived his flesh being hit by Grievous.

What? I have no idea what you're trying to prove here. You pretty much just repeated my points.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin wasn't manhandling him he tried choking him but was kicked off pretty quickly. It was a back and forth battle where Obi kicked him to the ground as well. Neither seemed that strong.

And yet they have feats proving that they have some degree of superstrength.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Against skilled opponents it fails.

As much as I hate through tear to another of your so called "arguments". You are wrong.. If precognition would fail against skilled opponents, the first swing in a lightsaber duel would also be the last. Jedi and Sith can move far faster than ordinary human beings, demonstrated at the beginning of "The Phantom Menace".

Here, we are already at the point, at which Achilles get cut down by a lightsaber before he does even realize that the fight has started. The same thing would happen to Jedi and Sith, whenever they engage in a lightsaber duel, if it wasn't for their precognition.

In fact, movie canon demonstrates that precognition is efficient enough, to allow Yoda to deflect about 40 blaster bolts from 8 different directions in about 4 seconds, at the scene in "Revenge of the Sith" in which the Jedi Master and Obi-Wan fight Clone Troopers in front of the Jedi Temple. Seriously: Can Achilles even come up with anything close to that amount of attacks, not even mentioning Grievous wielding four seperate blades, which movements Kenobi was apparently able to predict and counter? I don't think so.

It failed him twice against Dooku and once against Obi an inferior opponent. All stated in the film as well.

And explained above. Those opponents can place in so many possible attacks, that, at a certain point, precognition may be "overloaded". The point is, that Achilles can't even come close to that, and hence doesn't stand a chance against Anakin.

Achilles isn't shooting blaster fire against him either and unlike Achilles who took over the beach with a much smaller force Anakin was doomed until the reinforcements of Yoda showed up.

The ration of droids and Jedi in the arena was 1000 to 1. If you show me 20.000 or 30.000 enemies, awaiting Achilles at the beach, I will gladly accept this "feat" as compareable to the Battle of Geonosis. Until then, you're argument is senseless and you may want to get some knowledge about Star Wars before discussing related topics.

He isn't faster or is he more effective. Being effective is the key word. Losing isn't really leaving the Achilles side in awe.

According to movie canon, Anakin could run circles around Achilles and cut him down, before his opponents does even notice he is in a fight. Not to mention the swings Anakin would deal out, powered by his entire mechanical arm which had enough strength to hold the weight of himself, Kenobi and Palpatine combined. Wonder if Achilles can even parry that, without suffering from broken bones....

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, so you make a stupid statement, it's shown to be wrong and you still try to downplay. Typical.

Probably because Dooku at the time was a far superior Force-user. Point stills no matter how you down-play, Force Battle-Precog works many, many, many more times than it fails and Achilles loses here because of it, among other factors.

Yet the battle with Kenobi on Mustafar proves Vader is both faster and far more agile. Accept it and just deal with your new Achilles fanboyism.

It works against fodder, sure but against skilled opponents Achilles could tell him not to try something and Anakin would anyways and lose. Guy is an idiot.

No, it doesn't. Achilles is moving out of the way of Hector's attacks with ease. He yells at him to get up. Achilles toyed with the best fighter out of the entire movie. He also spared him early on because he was a glory hound and wanted the whole world to see. Vader has no honor and his greatest feats involve winning rematches.

Precog is vague and is less impressive than Achilles own reflexes and skill level.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They did.

No he didn't.[/B]

So, its still more impressive than anything Achilles has done now that your arrow-blocking feat has been revealed to be a lie.[/B]

He blocked a shot to his back without looking at it and with such skill that he managed to hit the droid with the reflected shot. You should be wowed.
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Jesus Christ how many times do I have to point out that Dooku and Obi-Wan were also Force users and also had precognition and Force powers? Will 50 be enough for you?

Yes he could.

What? I have no idea what you're trying to prove here. You pretty much just repeated my points.

And yet they have feats proving that they have some degree of superstrength.[/B]

Without proof it's just a claim.

Wrong.

Casually parrying a spear is super strength not choking Obi like a woman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It didn't have anything to do with overall skill Anakin raged his way into the fight and didn't think whereas Obi knew that was a stupid thing to do. Precog didn't help Anakin out with force lightning which is easy to block.

It works against fodder, sure but against skilled opponents Achilles could tell him not to try something and Anakin would anyways and lose. Guy is an idiot.

No, it doesn't. Achilles is moving out of the way of Hector's attacks with ease. He yells at him to get up. Achilles toyed with the best fighter out of the entire movie. He also spared him early on because he was a glory hound and wanted the whole world to see. Vader has no honor and his greatest feats involve winning rematches.

Precog is vague and is less impressive than Achilles own reflexes and skill level.

Ah, nice, ignore your previous points were retarded and deftly try to switch to another fight/scene. You need to watch EP3 too then, as you have no idea what you're talking about, Vader and Kenobi where exchanging blows in the beginning, faster than Achilles was shown doing.

LoL, it also clearly works against other Jedi/Sith, as they're both employing Battle-Precog during their duels. Works more often than fails, just accept it and deal. Basic Star Wars knowledge.

Hector isn't anywhere close to what Vader would be bringing. Your argument boils down to "Achilles defeated far lessor opponents than Vader, so he wins here", which is retarded.

Precog is not "vague", if you bothered to watch EP1 Qui-Gon Jin clearly explains it. You're fanboying Achilles again.

Originally posted by Borbarad
As much as I hate through tear to another of your so called "arguments". You are wrong.. If precognition would fail against skilled opponents, the first swing in a lightsaber duel would also be the last. Jedi and Sith can move far faster than ordinary human beings, demonstrated at the beginning of "The Phantom Menace".

Here, we are already at the point, at which Achilles get cut down by a lightsaber before he does even realize that the fight has started. The same thing would happen to Jedi and Sith, whenever they engage in a lightsaber duel, if it wasn't for their precognition.

In fact, movie canon demonstrates that precognition is efficient enough, to allow Yoda to deflect about 40 blaster bolts from 8 different directions in about 4 seconds, at the scene in "Revenge of the Sith" in which the Jedi Master and Obi-Wan fight Clone Troopers in front of the Jedi Temple. Seriously: Can Achilles even come up with anything close to that amount of attacks, not even mentioning Grievous wielding four seperate blades, which movements Kenobi was apparently able to predict and counter? I don't think so.
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Yoda can deflect fodder blasts but by the same token get hit by a slow moving old hand of force blast. Achilles can parry heavy spears while easily dominating fodder so in the end this is more impressive than just deflecting blaster fire which doesn't appear to be very fast to begin with.

Achilles would disarm Grievous very quickly as well. Grievous wasn't very formidable at all.

And explained above. Those opponents can place in so many possible attacks, that, at a certain point, precognition may be "overloaded". The point is, that Achilles can't even come close to that, and hence doesn't stand a chance against Anakin. [/B]

The ration of droids and Jedi in the arena was 1000 to 1. If you show me 20.000 or 30.000 enemies, awaiting Achilles at the beach, I will gladly accept this "feat" as compareable to the Battle of Geonosis. Until then, you're argument is senseless and you may want to get some knowledge about Star Wars before discussing related topics.[/B]

Proof ? Achilles is a character who stormed the beach against incredible odds and won rather easily. Anakin is a guy who knew he couldn't win despite having numerous jedi against fodder. Dooku wasn't involved with the fighting yet the movie made it very clear they had no chance.

According to movie canon, Anakin could run circles around Achilles and cut him down, before his opponents does even notice he is in a fight. Not to mention the swings Anakin would deal out, powered by his entire mechanical arm which had enough strength to hold the weight of himself, Kenobi and Palpatine combined. Wonder if Achilles can even parry that, without suffering from broken bones.... [/B]

It's like saying Ronnie Coleman the bodybuilder can beat Mike Tyson based on his superior strength. It's funny.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ah, nice, ignore your previous points were retarded and deftly try to switch to another fight/scene. You need to watch EP3 too then, as you have no idea what you're talking about, Vader and Kenobi where exchanging blows in the beginning, faster than Achilles was shown doing.

LoL, it also clearly works against other Jedi/Sith, as they're both employing Battle-Precog during their duels. Basic Star Wars knowledge.

Hector isn't anywhere close to what Vader would be bringing. Your argument boils down to "Achilles defeated far lessor opponents than Vader, so he wins here", which is retarded.

Precog is not "vague", if you bothered to watch EP1 Qui-Gon Jin clearly explains it. You're fanboying Achilles again.

They parried each other blows and the fight slowed down dramatically after that. We also see slow kicks knock Anakin on his ass. See unlike Anakin Achilles doesn't have anyone remotely on his level.

Failing to realize jumping at your opponent with precog will lose you the battle along with your enemy saying it makes him stupid. So which is it ? Why didn't precog keep him from being incredibly stupid and arrogant ?

Hector is incredibly skilled and isn't as far away from vader as you'd like to think. If Hector actually posed a challenge maybe you'd have something but he was toyed with by Achilles.

I've given examples of it failing so acting like it's this 100 percent we always know what's happening next is a flat out lie.

Game. Set. Match.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see Palpatine slowly raise his hand and blast Yoda before he can block and redirect the force lightning so you're wrong. If precog was so on all the time they'd never be caught off guard by something so obvious to a mere human such as myself. Also think about how stupid Anakin has been when Dooku and Obi have defeated him. Obi even told him what would happen. Oh precog. It's funny.

And now we think a little bit about suspension of disbelief and it's application in debates regarding fictional material. We know how fast the Jedi can move (TPM). We know the limits of the precognition of Kenobi and Yoda (RotS). Ignoring both, will generate false results. You do ignore them, in lieu to establish your favorised characters as victor in this fight.

There is no way for Achilles to keep up with Anakin's speed. There is no way for Achilles to overload Anakin's precognition. Therefore, Achilles gets killed. End of story.

The jedi and sith have incredible skill and reflexes just like Achilles just not as much so. That means they don't get cut down by every attack. Achilles never goes down to an opponent he is facing. He crushes everyone in his path unlike Anakin, the McClane of the Star Wars universe.

Has any opponent attacked Achilles with the equivalent of ten blaster bolts per second or the speed of Grievous? No. Can Achilles put the equivalent of those attacks out? No. So he has no way to overcome a Jedi's defense and likewise no way to counter their offense. We can easily sum that up with the statement: Achilles will be killed.

Yoda can deflect fodder blasts but by the same token get hit by a slow moving old hand of force blast. Achilles can parry heavy spears while easily dominating fodder so in the end this is more impressive than just deflecting blaster fire which doesn't appear to be very fast to begin with.

Math for idiots: 40 blaster bolts are more than two spears. Seriously.

Achilles would disarm Grievous very quickly as well. Grievous wasn't very formidable at all.[/i]

Again: Your lack of knowledge pretty much discqualifies you for this debate. Grievous killed Jedi in direct confrontation and he would cut Achilles into pieces in split seconds.

[quote]If Obi's attack which he told him is enough to best him why can't Achilles ? Seriously, be serious. K.

Ignoring the mental state of Anakin in the situation is almost too funny. It was sheer idiocy on Anakin's side to try the move he tried, because he was overconfident and half mad. This is not the condition in which he will face Achilles. And Achilles can't defeat him, because he wouldn't even remotely be capable of replicating Kenobi's speed.

Proof ? Achilles is a character who stormed the beach against incredible odds and won rather easily. Anakin is a guy who knew he couldn't win despite having numerous jedi against fodder. Dooku wasn't involved with the fighting yet the movie made it very clear they had no chance.

I'd love to read some coherent argument from you. Would you mind typing one down? I must have missed the point in the AotC movie, where RotS Anakin showed up, in order to storm a place, inhabited by maybe 2 or 3 times the troops that he, himself, was bringing to the battle. Which is exactly what Achilles did. Seriously. Count the Troy soldiers on the beach, instead of assuming they had some innumerable army stationed there. It's almost too funny.

What movie canon ? Achilles parries spears while fighting which is a strength feat directly related to combat while you want to compare lifting feats. LOL.

It's like saying Ronnie Coleman the bodybuilder can beat Mike Tyson based on his superior strength. It's funny.

According to the movie canon, that shows Jedi are capable of moving so fast, that humans can only perceive them as blurs. According to the movie canon, that shows them deflecting several dozen attacks in their direction. Achilles is totally screwed.

Originally posted by Borbarad
And now we think a little bit about suspension of disbelief and it's application in debates regarding fictional material. We know how fast the Jedi can move (TPM). We know the limits of the precognition of Kenobi and Yoda (RotS). Ignoring both, will generate false results. You do ignore them, in lieu to establish your favorised characters as victor in this fight.

There is no way for Achilles to keep up with Anakin's speed. There is no way for Achilles to overload Anakin's precognition. Therefore, Achilles gets killed. End of story.
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Has any opponent attacked Achilles with the equivalent of ten blaster bolts per second or the speed of Grievous? No. Can Achilles put the equivalent of those attacks out? No. So he has no way to overcome a Jedi's defense and likewise no way to counter their offense. We can easily sum that up with the statement: Achilles will be killed. [/B]

Math for idiots: 40 blaster bolts are more than two spears. Seriously. [/B]

Ignoring the mental state of Anakin in the situation is almost too funny. It was sheer idiocy on Anakin's side to try the move he tried, because he was overconfident and half mad. This is not the condition in which he will face Achilles. And Achilles can't defeat him, because he wouldn't even remotely be capable of replicating Kenobi's speed. [/B]

I'd love to read some coherent argument from you. Would you mind typing one down? I must have missed the point in the AotC movie, where RotS Anakin showed up, in order to storm a place, inhabited by maybe 2 or 3 times the troops that he, himself, was bringing to the battle. Which is exactly what Achilles did. Seriously. Count the Troy soldiers on the beach, instead of assuming they had some innumerable army stationed there. It's almost too funny.

According to the movie canon, that shows Jedi are capable of moving so fast, that humans can only perceive them as blurs. According to the movie canon, that shows them deflecting several dozen attacks in their direction. Achilles is totally screwed. [/B]

We've seen humans kill them easily and them fail to block blaster fire after order 66 was ordered. Watch the movies, guy. That's how they wipe out the entire jedi order. Most of them don't even see it coming yet precog. 😂 😂 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
His skill level defeated them easily. You attempting to downplay Achilles will get you nowhere.

That doesn't disprove the fact that they all but ran onto his sword. You attempting to downplay the droids will only result in me doing the same to the Trojan soldiers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong.

Wrong? Everyone agrees that he blocked spears, not arrows. That you can't see it desn't make me wrong, quite the opposite.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Actually casually deflecting a spear is an even better showing. It shows how strong he is while taking on fighters.

No it doesn't. 😬

Humans can deflect spears. How the hell do you think we've fought against them in the 2 million years we've been fighting with them. Plus, spears move a hell of a lot slower than arrows, so no, it isn't even better. I mean by your logic:

YouTube video

Oh look, Anakin and Obi-Wan easily deflecting spears (or equivilent).

Originally posted by quanchi112
He also easily blocks an arrow while fighting other men as well.

When? Show me please.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin didn't have anyone else in his face like Achilles did. Achilles was taking down an army unlike Anakin who slaughtered politicians and droids. LOL.

Considering Achilles didn't even deflect any arrows I'm still saying Anakins feat is >>>> his.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't change the fact precog should make you aware of an obvious attack while skill level determines the victor. Anakin got hit by obvious attack after obvious attack showing precog to be vague and quite worthless.

Borbarad answered this superbly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Without proof it's just a claim.

He's displayed the strngth to be able to do it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong.

No, you did just repeat my point. If perhaps you could repeat what you said in a clearer manner we could continue.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Casually parrying a spear is super strength not choking Obi like a woman.

Parrying a spear is not superstrength. 😐

I could parry a freaking spear and I'm tiny.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I acknowledged he parried spears which is actually more impressive than arrows, honestly. I also acknowledged he easily blocked an arrow with his shield while engaging other men.

They parried each other blows and the fight slowed down dramatically after that. We also see slow kicks knock Anakin on his ass. See unlike Anakin Achilles doesn't have anyone remotely on his level.

Failing to realize jumping at your opponent with precog will lose you the battle along with your enemy saying it makes him stupid. So which is it ? Why didn't precog keep him from being incredibly stupid and arrogant ?

Hector is incredibly skilled and isn't as far away from vader as you'd like to think. If Hector actually posed a challenge maybe you'd have something but he was toyed with by Achilles.

I've given examples of it failing so acting like it's this 100 percent we always know what's happening next is a flat out lie.

Game. Set. Match.

Non stop with the shifting tactics, clown. If Achilles had knocked arrows out of the air, that actually would be more impressive than blocking a couple of spear-lunges. Let me guess, you'll next start ranting how Achilles blocked sword-blows too and how that's somehow super-human? The shield to the back block was the most impressive thing he did, but it pales in comparison with Vader blocking shitloads of blaster-fire.

Downplaying Vader again. Expected.

Vader jumped because he was a arrogant *******. That isn't saving Achilles here, the fight will be over in seconds; Vader isn't raging and losing his cool.

LoL, now Hector and Vader are similar. Further downplaying.

Precog isn't infallible; no one has said that it was, so nice little STRAWMAN. Preog does work more times than it fails and most importantly in this fight, Achilles isn't dancing his way past Vader's Battle-Precog.

Downplaying and making up shit while arbitrarily calling a win, nothing new from you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That doesn't disprove the fact that they all but ran onto his sword. You attempting to downplay the droids will only result in me doing the same to the Trojan soldiers.

Wrong? Everyone agrees that he blocked spears, not arrows. That you can't see it desn't make me wrong, quite the opposite.

No it doesn't. 😬 [/B]

Humans can deflect spears. How the hell do you think we've fought against them in the 2 million years we've been fighting with them. Plus, spears move a hell of a lot slower than arrows, so no, it isn't even better. I mean by your logic:

YouTube video

Oh look, Anakin and Obi-Wan easily deflecting spears (or equivilent).
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When? Show me please. [/B][/QUOTE] It's what he uses the shield to block.

Considering Achilles didn't even deflect any arrows I'm still saying Anakins feat is >>>> his.
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Borbarad answered this superbly.

He's displayed the strngth to be able to do it. [/B]

No, you did just repeat my point. If perhaps you could repeat what you said in a clearer manner we could continue.

Parrying a spear is not superstrength. 😐

I could parry a freaking spear and I'm tiny. [/B]

Throwing a spear hundreds of yards and casually deflecting spears while in combat are examples of super strength.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Throwing a spear hundreds of yards and casually deflecting spears while in combat are examples of super strength.

Hundreds of feet, as Hector's horsemen were already upon the temple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2P6xhGNuwU

Blocking a spear thrush doesn't take super-strength, stop being a moron, it's past being cute.

Originally posted by Robtard
Non stop with the shifting tactics, clown. If Achilles had knocked arrows out of the air, that actually would be more impressive than blocking a couple of spear-lunges. Let me guess, you'll next start ranting how Achilles blocked sword-blows too and how that's somehow super-human? The shield to the back block was the most impressive thing he did, but it pales in comparison with Vader blocking shitloads of blaster-fire.

Downplaying Vader again. Expected.

Vader jumped because he was a arrogant *******. That isn't saving Achilles here, the fight will be over in seconds; Vader isn't raging and losing his cool.

LoL, now Hector and Vader are similar. Further downplaying.

Precog isn't infallible; no one has said that it was, so nice little STRAWMAN. Preog does work more times than it fails and most importantly in this fight, Achilles isn't dancing his way past Vader's Battle-Precog.

Downplaying and making up shit while arbitrarily calling a win, nothing new from you.

Blocking blaster fire with your complete concentration isn't as impressive.

I am merely citing evidence.

So Vader brings his arrogance here as well. You can't conveniently leave out his characteristics.

Vader is greater just not to the extent you are implying.

It isn't useless but my examples of it being flat out not there. Someone of Achilles skill level this is coming down to skill.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hundreds of feet, as Hector's horsemen were already upon the temple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2P6xhGNuwU

Blocking a spear thrush doesn't take super-strength, stop being a moron, it's past being cute.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You still don't get it. The blocking of it wasn't the most impressive part the most impressive part was casually doing so while fighting other warriors.

Blocking blaster fire with your complete concentration isn't as impressive.

I am merely citing evidence.

So Vader brings his arrogance here as well. You can't conveniently leave out his characteristics.

Vader is greater just not to the extent you are implying.

It isn't useless but my examples of it being flat out not there. Someone of Achilles skill level this is coming down to skill.

So now that your "he blocked spears" fell flat, you're shifting to the shield, which I pointed out was the one impressive thing. Clown.

It is when it's coming from hundreds of foes and from many angles at once. battle of Genosis, Jedi where seen successfully doing this more times than failing.

No, you're being a clown, downplaying, making shit up and then shifting, it's all you have.

If you didn't pick up on it in the film, Achilles bleeds arrogance, he's completely full of himself. But that's neither here nor there. Achilles is clearly outmatched.

Achilles has skill, he's not getting pasted and/or everwhelming Vader's Battle-Precog though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He killed them due to his skill level not that they were schlubs. He made even the most skilled opponents come off as schlubs unlike Anakin.

O RLY?

YouTube video

At 0.43 you can see Anakin fighting off the lightsaber instructor of the Jedi Order (basically one of the most skilled Jedi with a lightsaber) while throttling another Jedi.

What were you talking about Anakin not making skilled opponents look like schlubs?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said he did probably just block spears.

So..... you admit that you were wrong? Gooooooooood.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it is since with the velocity and the weight of it makes this more impressive.

No it doesn't. You've been told this multiple times already Quan, deflecting a spear is not superhuman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Combat and the ease and accuracy o fspears being tossed in this movie was definitely superhuman. In real life we can't even the best of us toss spears this distance or with the sheer force.

Meh, its nothing Anakin couldn't do with the feats that we've provided. His strength and accuracy is beyond Achilles'. Heres another one I forgot.

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At 4.48 Anakin leaps onto Padmes bed and cuts two freaking caterpillers in half that are on top of her without touching her with his blade. Could Achilles have done something that precise and accurate that quickly? I think not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That yoube video shows two jedi teaming up against one opponent whereas Achilles is fighting multiple opponents while casually parrying spears and blocking arrows.

Teaming up? Obi-Wan blocks both Magnaguards at the same time at the start of the fight. Thats much more impressive that deflecting a bloody spear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really are comparing killing politicians and droids to his beach feats ? Honestly.

We're not talking about him killing politicians. We're talkinh about him blocking a blaster shot completely blind with ease. Something that Achilles has never done.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Borb is another star wars apologist. I don't think so.

Borb is probably the smartest person I know. So I do think so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Throwing a spear hundreds of yards and casually deflecting spears while in combat are examples of super strength.

The spear thing is not an example of superstrength. The spear toss I'll give you. But Anakins own feats of superstrength stand as well. So its not like Achilles is going to overpower him.