Originally posted by Nephthys
The majority decided Voldemort would win p-ages ago as well yet that thread is still alive. estahuh
On the contrary, the members of the G Posse number just as much as those of the V Pack.
And give me a break Neph, there's only 1 person, maybe 2?, in this thread still saying Achilles would win and that's Quanchi.
Originally posted by BorbaradLegolas also has an attack blocked so he wasn't perfect nor did he kill the Uruk Hai in time. Quit ignoring this.
I should compare Legolas and Achilles aim? Great. Achilles is the guy, that hits with two out of two attempts, with throws entirely repeatable for regular humans with enough training. Legolas hits with 1000 out of 1000 shots, with three of them not being lethal hits - among those, countless of shots completely impossible for a human archer, no matter how well trained.
2000 years he shouldn't ever have an attack blocked or fail to kill someone with everything on the line. If I had 2000 years to practice basketball I still wouldn't be able to best Michael Jordan, guy.
If you weren't just counting hits, you would probably realize, that Legolas is by far more impressive in combat than Achilles, which probably spawns from the fact that he had 2000 years to train this stuff.
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Excuses. The point is he was tasked with killing him prior to decimating the wall. He failed in this task.
Hilarity ensues at your ignorance. I may, once more, destroy your pity excuse for a rational thought with visual evidence.At 0:53, you can see the Uruk Hai with the torch running through a rather small alley of his comrades, who are waving their hands above their heads - apparently to cheer for him. At 0:58, we see the scenary from the perspective of Aragorn, which likewise shows some nice amount of Uruk Hai between the wall and the guy with the torch, with some of them carrying lances, that would serve as additional obstacles for an archer, firing the torch-bearer while standing on the wall.
The video further reveals, how close the torch is to the wall before Aragorn even gives the command to Legolas. Yet, the elf still manages to put two arrows into the beast. Which was a futile task anyway, provided that each and every Uruk Hai standing just around that scene could have carried the torch for the last few meters.
Lastly, have a look at what Legolas does from 3:04 on. This alone trumps anything we've ever seen from Achilles. Oh, yes. It's just "fodder". It's still "fodder" with shields and armor superior to that of Achilles and Legolas does manages to get 7 kills in 6 seconds. [/B]
Aragorn tasked him with killing him. I didn't. Utter failure. He cost them lived. Horrific showing.
Since he does hit the target twice, with the Uruk visible struggeling to stay on his feet, I wonder what he should have done. Aim for the heart or put an arrow through the eye in the split seconds he had to kill the target at all? To even suggest something like that is ridiculous.[/B]
He did use his magic in defense in this scene. It worked like a charm. Against a real opponent like the Witch King he lost but against the kill of cannon fodder he looked rather impressive.
And yeah. Gandalf. Provided that the guy does manage to slaughter an enemy much more powerful than the troll (read: Balrog) and - as you've been so kindly to point out multiple times - was capable of defeating the three best combatants of that "team" on his own within seconds using his magic, one has to assume that Gandalf didn't all he could in that particular scene. In fact, his reluctancy to actualy use his magic is one of his character traits.
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What ? He knows full well about Sauron's ring his past history but is clueless about the Witch King. So you think he's an absolute ignorant moron. You're so desperate and making ignorant claims such as these draws attention to it. I bet Neph wishes he could take back his worship of you.
Excuse me. Is there an argument hidden somewhere in this incoherent babble? Gandalf knew exactly, how powerful Saruman was, because he knew the guy for more than 2000 years. He didn't know the Witch King and probably didn't assume, that the Lord of the Nazghul would be capable of breaking his staff. Yet, we've seen that Gandalf was capable of driving of the Nazghul rather easily. So apparently, he wasn't willing to replicate what he has done before right there, rather than him being inable to do so.
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You haven't shown Achilles with his strength to sever golden statues heads or toss heavy spears over hundreds of yards that he can't resist an arrow or 2 in his shield. He's well above the fodder Legolas normally kills. Sorry.
Since I've already demonstrated, that Legolas is quite capable to simple shoot through the shield of Achilles, with Achilles having zero time to even react to the arrow fired, your hero will end up wounded or dead, once Legolas fires his first shot. [/B]
The guy easily dodges spears and destroys his opponents making them look like common feebs. The entire beach scene shows his battle awareness. There was nothing supernatural in the film just super strength, battle prowess, awareness, and skill far beyond any human. LOL.
What I saw was him being lucky. Is their any real demonstration of superhuman senses? No. Is there any mentioning of superhuman senses? No. Was it the clear goal of the movie makers to leave the entire "supernatural" stuff out of the story? Yes. So why would I assume, that they give him superhuman senses?And I've already proven that - at no time - Achilles does exhibit superhuman strength. Which wouldn't help him anyway, because in the same instance Legolas fires, he dies. [/B]
You've cited no proof from the Troy movie to lead me to believe it would go right through his shield. Shotty speculation.
What exactly does skill have to do with armor, you pathetic excuse for an intelligent lifeform? Achilles shield was either bronze or wood, his armor leather. Legolas constantly puts arrows through iron (shields and armor alike), from much father distances, than you gave the opponents in your starting post. Iron > bronze / wood at any given day. Conclusion: Achilles armor and shield won't stop Legolas arrows.
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No, they didn't. You conceded a long time ago.
And before you repeat your stupid "But they did block arrows in Troy". Yes. They did. Also bronze arrows, shot with far less speed, precision and force than the ones Legolas would use at Achilles.Red Herring. I accept your concession.
Achilles would also need magic in order to prevent his death. Unfortunately, he doesn't have access to magic, so he dies. Awww...[/B]
No, he wouldn't. Legolas would need his ghost army because he's pathetic.
Well hello Mr. Coulda Woulda Shoulda. Achilles was an outstanding general and an unbelievably unbeatable warrior in his movie. He won due to leadership and having the skill to accomplish what only he can.
It was sheer luck that the Troyans decided not to simple run over him with their entire army or snipe him down from the wall. Because of honor. With a ruthless general in charge of the city, Achilles would have ended up death in front of the gate. Smart move? Hardly. Especially, when the movie shows that he was just doing it because of his wrath. [/B]
Seeing Legolas lose to one of the greatest on screen warriors of all time isn't a low showing. Just accept defeat. Legolas has no wins over anyone even exceptional on his own.
The only thing "pathetic" here, is your constant attempt, to talk down characters dependant on the importance they had in their respective storylines. By your logic, Sam from LotR slaughters the entire League of Shadows from "Batman Begins", because they are "fodder", and he is one of the main characters.Oh. Achilles strength does make his shield and armor harder? I don't think so. His "superior shield"? Superior to the iron shields wielded by the forces of Saruman / Mordor? Really? You maybe want to do some research on weapons utilized in Ancient Greece.[/B]
This is based off it but then again Achilles is fictional so are his exploits so trying to tie him into a real life person is pathetic.
We see Achilles block an arrow. We see Legolas' arrow blocked by Gandalf. Boom. That's all that needs to be said.
Straw man argument spotted. Seriously: First, you should follow my words, rather than trying to missinterprete them. Secondly, it would be nice if you'd take your own setup into consideration. We're talking about Legolas firing at Achilles from a rather short distance, with the Greek hero attempting to cover that distance as fast as possible. How, pray tell, would Legolas miss? You know that he wouldn't, and acknowledge it, by mentioning Achilles having to block with his shield. This turns your "argument" into a farce already. Thirdly, you should stop the ridiculous attempt to talk down characters. [/B]
I am arguing based off both movies you aren't. I am arguing based off of what is more likely you aren't. I won this a long time ago.
Agreeing with my argument, that your logic is ridiculous, is a nice thing. Now, you just have to implement that new insight and admit your argued yourself into a dead end. [/B]
I wonder if at any point in your life you were prideful because this night I took your dignity from you for all time.
Why would I flee the scene? Is there a secret party to celebrate my triumph over Quanchi? No? Doesn't matter, as this event isn't of any particulary interest for me, where it was certainly noteable for you, that I used some minutes of my spare time to shoot down anything you've said in this thread. 🙄 [/B]
Achilles wins.
Originally posted by RobtardIt was a couple hundred years too early.
Now you're just being spiteful cos I pointed out your "couple hundred years too early" error. Wasn't my intent to scorn you. When the soldiers in the rear raise shields to protect from arrows coming from above(or flanks), said phalanx is now turned into a tetsudo, which is exactly what we saw. Achilles and men moving forward nicely protected from arrows coming forward and from above.History Channel, bro. Books, bro. Wiki, bro.
Don't need to.
We're both technically right, as the phalanx turned into the tetsudo in that scene, but I'm clearly more right.
A phalanx maneuvering to protect itself from arrows is not a testudo.
I am always the most right.
Originally posted by NephthysI'm deep inside your cranium. It's kind of embarrassing on your part. All kidding aside just live your life, man.
You wish I'd cry more. So far the only tears around here are your own as you struggle to understand basic logic and common sense.I doubt I've met a larger fool.
Rudy was slightly intelligent. He knew you couldn't go full-retard, unlike our unwise friend Quan here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm deep inside your cranium. It's kind of embarrassing on your part. All kidding aside just live your life, man.
Quite the reverse my boy. I suggest you take a big ol' running leap and enter the glorious realm of me not give a flying fvck.
Or you could simply chop your shrivelled old testicles off and hand them to me. Because I own you, you little pissant. sneer
Originally posted by NephthysIf you didn't care you'd have stopped responding but this further proves my point. You tell other posters not to respond to me but then ignore your own advice simply because I don't matter, right ?
Rudy was slightly intelligent. He knew you couldn't go full-retard, unlike our unwise friend Quan here.Quite the reverse my boy. I suggest you take a big ol' running leap and enter the glorious realm of me not give a flying fvck.
Or you could simply chop your shrivelled old testicles off and hand them to me. Because I own you, you little pissant. sneer
Achilles wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you didn't care you'd have stopped responding but this further proves my point. You tell other posters not to respond to me but then ignore your own advice simply because I don't matter, right ?Achilles wins.
Nah, I merely don't care what you think. And I told him to stop encouraging you. That you see the merest amount of attention as encouragement is not my problem.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Legolas also has an attack blocked so he wasn't perfect nor did he kill the Uruk Hai in time. Quit ignoring this.
I'm not ignoring this. You keep ignoring, that this is entirely irrelevant for a fight between Legolas and Achilles, because:
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[*]Achilles is not a magic user and his armor and shield would be useless against Legolas arrows, especially at this distance (ruling out the "blocked arrow"😉
[*]Legolas would have more than split seconds to aim and lose at Achilles and wouldn't need to his his target through a mess of other people (ruling out his non lethal shot against the Uruk).
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So. This "point" of yours is out of the thread, because it does - in no way - apply to the situation which you've created with your starting post.
2000 years he shouldn't ever have an attack blocked or fail to kill someone with everything on the line. If I had 2000 years to practice basketball I still wouldn't be able to best Michael Jordan, guy.
Because you're an individual absolutely devoid of any kind of talent - save for an extreme amount of unjustified arrogance and the most refined inability of grasping logic I've ever seen. Of course, this also has no influence on the thread, but nevermind.
Excuses. The point is he was tasked with killing him prior to decimating the wall. He failed in this task.
Achilles "task" was to win the Troyan war, keep his cousin save, rescue his beloved and survive. Quadruple fail on his side. Does he lose now, based upon something entirely unrelated to the setup of this thread? If you just want to talk characters down, I can play that game, too. And far more effectively than you, given that I actually have an idea what I'm talking about.
Aragorn tasked him with killing him. I didn't. Utter failure. He cost them lived. Horrific showing.
Again you're merely attempting to talk down characters. Achilles refused to participate in the battle in front of the Gates of Troy - thousands died. Horrific showing. Despite this not even be remotely linked to his usual skill in combat, he now fails because of this action. LOLz. Quanchi Style debating is fun.
He did use his magic in defense in this scene. It worked like a charm. Against a real opponent like the Witch King he lost but against the kill of cannon fodder he looked rather impressive.
I wonder, where you have seen Gandalf actually fighting the Witch King, which would have been a prerequisite for actually losing. Gandalf just stands there and doesn't do anything to stop the Nazghul, when he has previously demonstrated the ability to - at the very least - drive them off.
And how does this even affect our little debate?
What ? He knows full well about Sauron's ring his past history but is clueless about the Witch King. So you think he's an absolute ignorant moron. You're so desperate and making ignorant claims such as these draws attention to it. I bet Neph wishes he could take back his worship of you.
He isn't even able to recognize Sauron, when the latter takes him as prisoner at the beginning of the story but merely assumes that the Dark Lord has returned. And he had to ride to Minas Tirith in order to recognize the One Ring, if I may remind you. Also I don't see, how familiarity with the history of the Ring - which Gandalf had to read again, mind you - constitues intimate knowledge of the power that the Witch King wields. Neither do I see, what this has to do with Legolas VS Achilles - with the exception of the fact, that you again exhibit your ignorance towards the films discussed.
You haven't shown Achilles with his strength to sever golden statues heads or toss heavy spears over hundreds of yards that he can't resist an arrow or 2 in his shield. He's well above the fodder Legolas normally kills. Sorry.
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Even if we would, for a split second, assume that Achilles does really have superhuman strength: What does that have to do with the ability of his shield/armor to withstand arrows? Correct answer: Nothing.
Achilles wields either iron or bronze weapons, as typical for his time. Both completely not capable of blocking an arrow of Legolas, neither is his leather armor. That has nothing to do with Achilles abilities, but is a limitation of his equipment.
The guy easily dodges spears and destroys his opponents making them look like common feebs. The entire beach scene shows his battle awareness. There was nothing supernatural in the film just super strength, battle prowess, awareness, and skill far beyond any human. LOL.
Blah, blah, blah.
I've already destroyed any argument in that direction, and even if we would assume, you were correct - which you aren't - this still wouldn't save your Greek loverboy.
You've cited no proof from the Troy movie to lead me to believe it would go right through his shield. Shotty speculation.
I've sited quite much evidence from LotR, which is the work in question here, that Legolas constantly puts arrows through iron armor and shields alike. Watch, think, start crying, stop posting. Even operating with the ridiculous assumption, that Achilles could move his shield in the 0,1 - 0,15 seconds an arrow from Legolas would need to travel from the elf to the Greek hero, in order to deflect the incoming projectile, the arrow would simple pierce the shield, Achilles armor and the body part the elf aimed at.
Well hello Mr. Coulda Woulda Shoulda. Achilles was an outstanding general and an unbelievably unbeatable warrior in his movie. He won due to leadership and having the skill to accomplish what only he can.
Are you talking about the same guy that - without any need to do so - sends half a dozen of his man into certain death, just to claim the honor to have captured the beach? Are you talking about the same guy, that watches from a hill how rather many Greek warriors get killed in front of Troy, when he could have prevented this from happening easily, just because somebody did insult his pride? Are you talking about the same Achilles that not really curbstomped Hector - who was nothing but an ordinary human?
Achilles is an egocentric moron, who is only concerned with his honor and his lower feelings of revenge. Anything else doesn't matter to him. And despite of his skill, he gets lucky more often in the movie than his actual abilities deciding situations.
Seeing Legolas lose to one of the greatest on screen warriors of all time isn't a low showing. Just accept defeat. Legolas has no wins over anyone even exceptional on his own.
He would still just shoot right through Achilles shield and armor and watch him die, thanks to your bona fide thread setup.
This is based off it but then again Achilles is fictional so are his exploits so trying to tie him into a real life person is pathetic.
Sorry. I didn't know you wanted him to have andamantium weapons and armor, because he just dies when he has to work with his regular equipment.
We see Achilles block an arrow. We see Legolas' arrow blocked by Gandalf. Boom. That's all that needs to be said.
We see Legolas putting arrows through three layers of iron armor. We see Achilles wielding bronze shields and wearing leather armor. Boom. Achilles dies. That's all that needs to be said.
I am arguing based off both movies you aren't. I am arguing based off of what is more likely you aren't. I won this a long time ago.
Given that I constantly demonstrated you ignorance towards the LotR movies, even in this very post here, did beat your ridiculous missinterpretations of on screen material to death and overcame every ridiculous claim you made, you're rather arguing based off things you made up or you're simply talking out of your ass. And, yes, of course...you "won" 🙄
I wonder if at any point in your life you were prideful because this night I took your dignity from you for all time.Achilles wins.
Yeah, whatever.
Given that I held you up to ridicule since my first posting here, without even utilizing my primary language, there is just one person here with no dignity left. Fortunately, you lack the mental faculties necessary to regonize your situation and, therefore, you should be able to live happily ever after. If you want to repeat you already debunked nonsense once again, I'll give you my answer - to every single "point" you may try to get across - just right now:
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