Originally posted by Glorificus
Isn't Surfer much much faster than her?And more durable?
Not to mention the transmutation, opening up a black hole, controlling gravity, yada yada yada, making this a stomp?
I think so that's why i dont like surfer threads to be honest. he has a new power every month....his telepathy now is apparently on par with xaiver or better..
Originally posted by Glorificus
Isn't Surfer much much faster than her?And more durable?
Not to mention the transmutation, opening up a black hole, controlling gravity, yada yada yada, making this a stomp?
She can kill Surfer and she's fast enough to hang with Zoom, so no, she's not out of her league. If Surfer fights like an idiot, Diana wins the majority, at their best both split.
Originally posted by Glorificus
Isn't Surfer much much faster than her?And more durable?
Not to mention the transmutation, opening up a black hole, controlling gravity, yada yada yada, making this a stomp?
Travel wise yes, he's faster, but reflex wise, no.
Durability can be debated, tbh.
He can still beat her though.
but surfer has ranged attacks and has TP and so many other options besides strength and speed. He can open up black holes, transmute, etc... written without pis the surfer is god like. hes like fire storm combined xavier with the durability and speed of superman. The things hes been doing in the annihilators borderlines on the absurd. He took control of a whole planet with his TP. They merged a couple of moons or stars together, etc...
Which is why i can't stand the character. I'd rather read about diana any day of the week but with out pis given his powerset...surfer owns
None of that matters except the ranged attacks, to be honest, a tactic which would work against Thor all the same. Despite his potential, Surfer is more or less bad at keeping his fight in long range, that's why Thor and Diana are threats to him.
I agree that Surfer's powerset is more dangerous, but he doesn't fight like that. If he did, then people who are supposed to beat him -such as Thanos or Galactus- would have incredible feats. In average he just blasts and uses his board.
Originally posted by nwg202
but surfer has ranged attacks and has TP and so many other options besides strength and speed. He can open up black holes, transmute, etc... written without pis the surfer is god like. hes like fire storm combined xavier with the durability and speed of superman. The things hes been doing in the annihilators borderlines on the absurd. He took control of a whole planet with his TP. They merged a couple of moons or stars together, etc...Which is why i can't stand the character. I'd rather read about diana any day of the week but with out pis given his powerset...surfer owns
TP flat out won't work, and I'd wonder if transmutation can affect her. He'd have to avoid a straight up h2h fight at all costs, imo, as I don't see him beating her close up.
even at his best, he still has to act within character.
Surfer 8/10.
He can keep his distance. Keep her at bay with planet busting shots, until he finds a way to dispose of her- (through a black hole, matter manip, telepathy or countless other ways).
And im not even convinced he would be finished toe to toe. Toe to toe he can shoot her point blank, he can still generate forcefields for protection, and even without his durability is pretty ridiculous.
Surfer stomps. illusions and intangibility would nullify her 'frontal' assaults, astral plane battle would nullify any and all weaponry, omni-directional battlefield obliterating blast would ... destroy her.
Surfer's fight to lose (though he definitely has the skill to lose even with all this advantages... it's horrific how stupidly they write him sometimes).
Also, Surfer has nanosecond or better reflexes, so no way is she fast enough to cause him problems. He's so fast that he can thoroughly search the entire planet before you can even say a sentence.
Originally posted by Bentley
None of that matters except the ranged attacks, to be honest, a tactic which would work against Thor all the same. Despite his potential, Surfer is more or less bad at keeping his fight in long range, that's why Thor and Diana are threats to him.I agree that Surfer's powerset is more dangerous, but he doesn't fight like that. If he did, then people who are supposed to beat him -such as Thanos or Galactus- would have incredible feats. In average he just blasts and uses his board.
Yup. i agree the moment it goes hand to hand the surfer is dead. I agree that usually just stands around and blast away with his board. That's why i cant stand the character, everytime he loses it looks so stupid. They should just depower him. his highs and lows are all over the place.
flash and the surfer are characters i cant stand. written to their full potential they should not lose. But they lose and it looks stupid. Why does crime even happen on dc earth if your a billion times faster then the speed of light....flash running alongside batman just irritates me. sorry for the rant. lol
I can't imagine why doom can beat the surfer if the surfer moves faster than light. but hes doom and he has magic and hes smart so surfer loses..same with the flash and his villains. there is no way you should hit the flash. I get that flash and surfer written to their true potential is insanely boring though...