Originally posted by cdtm
No, I did say that. 😄Surfers top end feats are insane enough to justify it, imo. At times, he's closer to trans level than high herald.
Which post though? I literally looked at all your posts and you didn't say he could "one-shot her". The closes thing is when you said he could beat her with his "generic blasts" and that's it.
I wouldn't go as far as him one-slotting her. He'd work for it but I don't think it'd be excruciatingly hard for him either.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Which post though? I literally looked at all your posts and you didn't say he could "one-shot her". The closes thing is when you said he could beat her with his "generic blasts" and that's it.
Oh, well.. yeah, I didn't go that far.
She is pretty durable, and Surfer holds back a lot. Now, if he was bloodlusted and out of character, that's another story..
This is a good fight. Diana can always deflect the blasts back at Surfer and does have the all protecting Aegis shield. But Surfer can always try that board from behind trick.
If SS beats Diana fighting at his best then I see no reason why he can't beat Thanos either.
Surfer's best chance is to stay ranged and go exotic on her. But in most comics he doesn't really fight opponents like that. There are many instances of him fighting close (Thanos beating him near death for instance). That is why so many argue that Thor could beat Surfer (I disagree by the way).
Naija I agree with you somewhat. But I want to see the same fervor from you when debating Surfer vs. Thor. Debate with heart and don't be scared.
With that said,
Power set wise (CIS off), Surfer beats WW
but factoring in his character and the way he usually fights then I see a split or a slight edge to WW.
Originally posted by cdtm
The same can be said of Surfer threads.
Sometimes, but at least when Surfer gets the benefit of the doubt, it's the "black holes in people's heads, transmuting, telepathic, too fast/durable/skilled" thing, more than he gets underrated.
Diana on the other hand isn't as lucky. Unless someone wants her to beat Superman.
Originally posted by cdtm
What? 😕
Think about it. When Thanos bests Surfer would you say that Surfer is fighting at his best as he was shown before?
Some here are pulling out black holes in the brain, phasing through attacks, planet busting blasts, omnidirectional blasts, ftl reflexes, ftl speed, board from behind tricks, amping beyond imagination, encasements, etc. when it comes to Surfer vs. a D.C. character. But let Surfer fight Thor, Thanos, etc. and then the same posters remain silent on those issues.
So like I said, if Surfer beats Diana then he definitely beats Thanos.
Originally posted by h1a8
Think about it. When Thanos bests Surfer would you say that Surfer is fighting at his best as he was shown before?Some here are pulling out black holes in the brain, phasing through attacks, planet busting blasts, omnidirectional blasts, ftl reflexes, ftl speed, board from behind tricks, amping beyond imagination, encasements, etc. when it comes to Surfer vs. a D.C. character. But let Surfer fight Thor, Thanos, etc. and then the same posters remain silent on those issues.
So like I said, if Surfer beats Diana then he definitely beats Thanos.
baka
Citing techniques/abilities that aren't likely to be used in typical battles isn't a "Marvel supporter" exclusive thing, so don't act like there's some kind of Surfer movement/DC bias. People have done the same thing for Green Lanterns, Firestorm, Superman, and anyone with any semblance of super speed.
Surfer fans and fanboys will be fans and fanboys, same of virtually any character with a fanbase here. Hell, even some WW supporters think she'll insta-lasso/soul rape anyone she fights in a 1 on 1 confrontation.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI have no problem with it. I just have a problem when the same posters don't argue with the same fervor against Thor, Hulk, Thanos, etc.
bakaCiting techniques/abilities that aren't likely to be used in typical battles isn't a "Marvel supporter" exclusive thing, so don't act like there's some kind of Surfer movement/DC bias. People have done the same thing for Green Lanterns, Firestorm, Superman, and anyone with any semblance of super speed.
Surfer fans and fanboys will be fans and fanboys, same of virtually any character with a fanbase here. Hell, even some WW supporters think she'll insta-lasso/soul rape anyone she fights in a 1 on 1 confrontation.
Consistency is all I ask.
Originally posted by h1a8
Maybe. But I see no other herald beating Surfer if he fought at his best. He would even give Thanos some big trouble (in a forum fight at his best).
No, because even if Thanos can't reproduce everything Surfer can do, he's able to take it all.
Also, his power output is ridiculously above anything Surfer can do.
Originally posted by BouboumasterThanos best power output is lower than SS's best (according to feats). But Thanos average output is greater than SS's average output.
No, because even if Thanos can't reproduce everything Surfer can do, he's able to take it all.
Also, his power output is ridiculously above anything Surfer can do.
Thanos can't take SS's best output without severe damage. Hell a black hole in Thanos would seriously damage him.
But taking something doesn't mean you won't sustain damage. Surfer has got board from behind tricks, amping beyond to match Thanos, black holes, planet busting blasts, etc.
For defense, Surfer has got phasing, shields, energy absorption, and ftl reflexes and speed.
Surfer at his best would be a hard opponent for Thanos not to lose to.
re: Thanos vs Surfer. As of the end of Annihilation, I'm not sure what the 'gap' is between these two (if any).
Thanos created a containment system to hold Galactus, attuned it to his own power-output-level and then got slaughtered by Drax. Surfer, in a weakened state, managed to output an equal level of power to work the machine into releasing Galactus.
after all that, Surfer went on to fight both T&A with nothing but his own powers and got beat half to death, then in that state, he went and channelled the Crunch Energies in order to destroy T&A. Those energies eventually almost killed him aswell, but then Galactus came and revived him and gave him a power-up.
So ... dunno where Surfer stands now really.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos best power output is lower than SS's best (according to feats). But Thanos average output is greater than SS's average output.Thanos can't take SS's best output without severe damage. Hell a black hole in Thanos would seriously damage him.
But taking something doesn't mean you won't sustain damage. Surfer has got board from behind tricks, amping beyond to match Thanos, black holes, planet busting blasts, etc.
For defense, Surfer has got phasing, shields, energy absorption, and ftl reflexes and speed.
Surfer at his best would be a hard opponent for Thanos not to lose to.
Thanos has moleculary control over his own body, being an eternal from Titan.
His feats shows a monstruous gap in term of both power and endurance between the two of them.
Surfer has, over Thanos, versatility, and speed. But Thanos got everything else above Surfer.