Originally posted by leonidas
i think the tiara could cut through his shields to be honest, as well as his skin. her ability to sense the battlefield would make an effective board attack unlikely, imo. disarming her of the lasso also wouldn't be all that easy imo. i also think she could handle most of his ranged attacks. all that said, he is simply more powerful, and i don't see him doing all that poorly in close--at all. in close he could certainly hang with her and if she is engaged, THEN he could also use his energy powers while she's too busy to defend. getting in close is his best bet, imo and it's why i'd say he wins a solid majority. she can take a couple though, and he works for all the wins.
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The tiara has cut through force fields and damaged durable beings before. When using the lasso as make shift knuckle dusters, she's also punched through Green Lantern constructs, and has done so before through her own strength.
There's also evidence to suggest that directly attempting to disarm or transmute the lasso would fail.
Surfer doesn't have this fight easy at all.
Originally posted by cdtm
Why does Surfer need to go exotic, when his generic blasts are more than powerful enough to one shot her?Surfer has the speed edge, and the power edge.. Significant edges. WW can hurt him with her tools, but Surfers not going to stand there and let her..
Skyfathers have failed to one shot Diana. Other herald beings have likewise failed to one shot her. Given her default durability and her bracers, it's pretty ridiculous to assume that Surfer could. Hell, most of the arguments for Surfer is him going all exotic and pulling out random abilities to beat Diana. Typical "fly around shooting blasts" Surfer has it incredibly difficult to win.
Diana is also a far better combatant. Surfer can hurt Diana to be sure, but Diana's not going to let him, either.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Skyfathers have failed to one shot Diana. Other herald beings have likewise failed to one shot her. Given her default durability and her bracers, it's pretty ridiculous to assume that Surfer could. Hell, most of the arguments for Surfer is him going all exotic and pulling out random abilities to beat Diana. Typical "fly around shooting blasts" Surfer has it incredibly difficult to win.Diana is also a far better combatant. Surfer can hurt Diana to be sure, but Diana's not going to let him, either.
If a skyfather failed to one shot Diana, it's either PIS or because the skyfather wasn't actually trying to kill him.
Most would agree Superman could hurt her. Surfer blasts are > Supermans fists, as Surfer is > Superman, imo...
Basically, I put Surfer and Infinity Man on the same tier. High herald, low trans, above your top tier character at their best when written correctly.. (And the reason Thor is a good match, is because his hammers power are > Thor the character, and can match or exceed his ridiculous power set..) Surfer certainly has the feats and power set to place him in that position, looking at his long history..
Originally posted by cdtm
If a skyfather failed to one shot Diana, it's either PIS or because the skyfather wasn't actually trying to kill him.Most would agree Superman could hurt her. Surfer blasts are > Supermans fists, as Surfer is > Superman, imo...
Basically, I put Surfer and Infinity Man on the same tier. High herald, low trans, above your top tier character at their best when written correctly.. Surfer certainly has the feats and power set to place him in that position, looking at his long history..
Not all Skyfathers are the same. It was a high showing for Diana, though.
The point is Surfer's not one-shotting Wonder Woman anytime soon.
Surfer has also 3-shotted BRB, has casually dusted a planet as a warning and has indeed beaten a skyfather and taken his power against his will (UniLord).
Surfer shouldn't really be troubled by WW, imo. I don't see her getting a single win, if Surfer fights as per forum norms. If, on the other hand, he's fighting like he's about to be arm-barred by BP or knocked out by a brick ...
Originally posted by cdtm
If a skyfather failed to one shot Diana, it's either PIS or because the skyfather wasn't actually trying to kill him.Most would agree Superman could hurt her. Surfer blasts are > Supermans fists, as Surfer is > Superman, imo...
Basically, I put Surfer and Infinity Man on the same tier. High herald, low trans, above your top tier character at their best when written correctly.. (And the reason Thor is a good match, is because his hammers power are > Thor the character, and can match or exceed his ridiculous power set..) Surfer certainly has the feats and power set to place him in that position, looking at his long history..
the bracers can save her from a lot of his energy attacks though. i won't entirely disagree on your opinion of ss, just that magic has hurt him--badly--in the past and her strengths serve her well in this fight.
Originally posted by leonidas
i think the tiara could cut through his shields to be honest, as well as his skin. her ability to sense the battlefield would make an effective board attack unlikely, imo. disarming her of the lasso also wouldn't be all that easy imo. i also think she could handle most of his ranged attacks. all that said, he is simply more powerful, and i don't see him doing all that poorly in close--at all. in close he could certainly hang with her and if she is engaged, THEN he could also use his energy powers while she's too busy to defend. getting in close is his best bet, imo and it's why i'd say he wins a solid majority. she can take a couple though, and he works for all the wins.
I have no doubt that she could hurt him with the tiara but frankly, her offensive attempts with the tiara leave her open for his attacks. If she is busy defending his energy attacks, board attack becomes much more effective. Also at range her being ability to mount an offensive with the tiara is highly reduced. For the lasso disarmament thing, Surfer could literally blink and encase it in some sort of substance or encase her in some sort of substance quite frankly. Hence the reason I think it is difficult to defend against. You are right for the in close part as well though cuz in close he would have the element of surprise and could probably end the fight quicker since she would have less time to block attacks
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆The tiara has cut through force fields and damaged durable beings before. When using the lasso as make shift knuckle dusters, she's also punched through Green Lantern constructs, and has done so before through her own strength.
There's also evidence to suggest that directly attempting to disarm or transmute the lasso would fail.
Surfer doesn't have this fight easy at all.
Just to point out that im not suggesting Surfer to try to transmute the lasso. Rather entrap it in something to temporarily prevent her from accessing it.
Originally posted by Bentley
Are you kidding me? Now people are saying Surfer one-shots WW?People, really, read some WW comics before you post 😐
Personally I would expect him to KO her with a few good blasts, and a board to the back of the head. I just see Surfer's average as being that much higher than her's.
He's taken more damage than any herald leveller (bar Hulk), that I've seen, during his tangle with T&A. He's also been smashed to atoms and reformed instantly (UniLord) to over power a dimensional god (basically a skyfather)...
WW, I'd place somewhere between Nova and BRB.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Just to point out that im not suggesting Surfer to try to transmute the lasso. Rather entrap it in something to temporarily prevent her from accessing it.
Fair enough, but even then, the nature of the lasso's properties, it being a focal point of "truth" and the like, such a method of attempting to entrap it or somehow, especially while it's in her possession, is something I can't say seems really likely. At best, I could see it holding it for a few moments, but that wouldn't be a game changer if Diana was without it for that long by any means.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fair enough, but even then, the nature of the lasso's properties, it being a focal point of "truth" and the like, such a method of attempting to entrap it or somehow, especially while it's in her possession, is something I can't say seems really likely. At best, I could see it holding it for a few moments, but that wouldn't be a game changer if Diana was without it for that long by any means.
I understand that, but that whole focal point of truth thing is fairly ambiguous. I mean I can't really see any connection Between being the focal point of truth and being immune to entrapment. I mean I understand it's magical properties making it immune to straight transmutation and I wouldn't suggest that in the same way I wouldn't suggest surfer transmuting Odin or galactus'. But entrapment is a whole different story id say as even charActers of this level have been entrapped temporarily ( surfer on tud and Odin by thanes) and even thors hammer another magical object has been entrapped by surfer as well.
Originally posted by Bentley
It was cdtm who suggested Surfer could one-shot Diana, which I hope we all agree, is blowing things out of proportion.
Where does he say that? I looked, he never said Surfer could one-shot Diana. No one's blowing things out of proportions (unless you count the people who make false accusations).
Originally posted by Naija boy
You are on some kind of drugs...Surfer hands down. its lauaghable how the same people who claim superman prime will win against hulk via using his speed to overwhelm hulk claim that surfer will go in halfassed and fight wonder woman h2h forgetting his other powers ( even though he is by no means outmatched their).
Easy win for surfer is to stay at range, use his board and omnidirectional blasts for offence, and forcefieldds for defence. He wins comfortably
I think surfer is the more powerful being, but he isnt really going to be able to drain diana and his ranged attacks are going to be nullified by her braclets. I think diana has a decent shot at this. She will fair better against surfer then superman would.
Diana has the tools to defend against surfer unlike other bricks.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Where does he say that? I looked, he never said Surfer could one-shot Diana. No one's blowing things out of proportions (unless you count the people who make false accusations).
No, I did say that. 😄
Surfers top end feats are insane enough to justify it, imo. At times, he's closer to trans level than high herald.