Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He didn't bother punching him. He jumped onto a flying opponent and tried to grab onto him and was promptly knocked off. Thor made a grunting noise. Big deal. He had lacerations in his side, it's painful.
How can anyone possibly think that Wolverine simply tried to grab on to Thor in this scene?
We even have the motion lines of his claws indicating a stabbing movement.
Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't look like a stab to me.
It's a stab or Logan's bare knuckle fists are strong enough to make Thor go "ARRGHH!"
One of those is likely and makes sense given the entire "fight" up to that point. One of those is PIS and doesn't make sense considering the blows Thor's tanked without being in pain, much less registering them.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't know what it is but there is no indication that it was his claws...especially when we see Wolverine on the ground the next panel without his claws out.
Of course yo don't.
So Wolverine jumps on Thor's (Sabertooth in his mind) back, and performs a downward stabbing motion but forgets to unsheathe his claws? Keep in mind that his initial attack was an attempt to stab Thor from above by surprise.
That argument is destroyed by the previous page. Thor strikes the ground and Wolverine's claws are sheathed in the next panel when he's thrown into the air.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why the hell would his claws be sheathed in such a position? And why would Thor be in such pain if they were? Everything from what we've seen would indicate an attempt to stab Thor, for Odin's sake, he tried the exact same thing a few pages ago.
Because when riding a flying person getting a hand hold is good idea? Because he had lacerations across his obliques? Nothing their indicates he was attempting to do anything other then jump on Thor's back. There isn't even any room in the panel that would allow for the possibility that Wolverine's claws were unsheathed and he was attempting to stab Thor "for Odin's sake".
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you really going to play a silly angle game with me here? My god, you really desperate for anything aren't you? Okay, ignoring the comic being a comic, Wolverine's claws couldn't be seen because Thor's back was arched.
Do some drawing through in your head like any amateur artist would when planning the panel layout. There is no room in that panel for Wolverine's claws to be unsheathed relative to the placement of where his hands would be and where Thor's body is. If where Thor arching his back in any significant way (which he isn't as evident by the placement of his waist and torso), Wolverine would be at the top part of the "U" shape and it would make it easier to see his claws, not harder.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This argument is destroyed by Wolverine's claws being sheathed in the previous page despite them being out when his feet were on the ground.
What? Wolverine's claws are retracted in the panel before he jumped on Thor, and the panel after he jumped on Thor. He sheathed after Thor smashed the ground and created a shock wave, but that doesn't help your twisted account of events in the slightest.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
More desperate attempts to ignore what's very clear. Thor didn't grunt, he yelled out in pain. The lacerations on the side were deeper than the others but they weren't that bad. Especially for someone like Thor.
He said "arghhh." That's a grunt. Arghhh, dude. You reach so hard you should change your screen name to Plastic Man.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lawlz. I don't know why it's so hard for you to accept the obvious.Wolverine having trouble cutting Thor was a result of his thick skin, it's obviously the intent, why do you have so much trouble accepting it?
Wolverine had difficulty cutting Thor because he only ever landed glancing blows. If (and to be clear it wasn't) it was the writers intent that Wolverine was having trouble cutting Thor because of his durability that would have been PIS, because Wolverine has an entire career of cutting people with Thor level and higher durability with minimal effort.
It doesn't make sense for Wolverine to jump on "Sabertooth"'s back and punch him in such an awkward manner when he explicitly stated he more or less wanted to kill him again. Hell, Logan would know stabbing Sabes like that wouldn't kill him anyway, so he really had no reason not to use his claws.
It's the only thing that makes sense.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Of course yo don't.So Wolverine jumps on Thor's (Sabertooth in his mind) back, and performs a downward stabbing motion but forgets to unsheathe his claws? Keep in mind that his initial attack was an attempt to stab Thor from above by surprise.
That argument is destroyed by the previous page. Thor strikes the ground and Wolverine's claws are sheathed in the next panel when he's thrown into the air.
Looks like Thor was fighting the fight of his life. Gladiator 2 paneled Wolverine before.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It doesn't make sense for Wolverine to jump on "Sabertooth"'s back and punch him in such an awkward manner when he explicitly stated he more or less wanted to kill him again. Hell, Logan would know stabbing Sabes like that wouldn't kill him anyway, so he really had no reason not to use his claws.It's the only thing that makes sense.
He didn't jump on "Sabretooth's" back and punch him in a awkward manner. He jumped on his back. Period. There was no punching. Wolverine jumped on Thor's back, Thor spun and knocked him off.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It doesn't make sense for Wolverine to jump on "Sabertooth"'s back and punch him in such an awkward manner when he explicitly stated he more or less wanted to kill him again. Hell, Logan would know stabbing Sabes like that wouldn't kill him anyway, so he really had no reason not to use his claws.It's the only thing that makes sense.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He didn't jump on "Sabretooth's" back and punch him in a awkward manner. He jumped on his back. Period. There was no punching. Wolverine jumped on Thor's back, Thor spun and knocked him off.
That's even more PIS fueled than a punch causing Thor to yell out in pain.
Originally posted by carver9
It doesn't make sense for Wolverine to jump on Spiderman punching him in the face or punching at Namor when he could have stabbed him in the head...etc, etc...it happens.
Because Logan doesn't try to outright kill Spidey and Namor when they fight usually?
Sabertooth is another story, especially when Logan is being trolled by Loki's sorcery and wants to explicitly kill him again.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If he didn't stab Thor, why would he even bother punching him? That's stupid as hell and doesn't even make sense considering Logan was trying to really mess up "Victor". Furthermore, if he did in fact punch Thor upon jumping him, Thor acknowledging his strike is PIS of the highest order.Either he stabbed Thor and the claws didn't go in deep enough to obviously be fatal or close to it.
Or he punched Thor and Thor sold the punch, which is PIS considering whose punches have failed to really effect him.
there IS a middle ground, of course. logan can and has controlled the AMOUNT of claw he has released in the past. perhaps he stabbed him with his claws only partially extended....? shrug
i only bring it up because neither rage's nor srank's explanations seem to be very good imo. full claws should have done more damage imo. and it makes no sense to think he just.... punched him in the back.
personally, i think the whole scene was just stupid and i put no stock in it at all, either way.