Gladiator vs Wolverine

Originally posted by leonidas
there IS a middle ground, of course. logan can and has controlled the AMOUNT of claw he has released in the past. perhaps he stabbed him with his claws only partially extended....? shrug

i only bring it up because neither rage's nor srank's explanations seem to be very good imo. full claws should have done more damage imo. and it makes no sense to think he just.... punched him in the back.

personally, i think the whole scene was just stupid and i put no stock in it at all, either way.

That makes more sense, but unless Thor dismounted Logan before the claws could extend fully, it doesn't make much sense for Logan to only partially attempt to stab "Sabertooth" given the context of the fight.

And if it was the sheer landing that caused Thor pain, well, it's epic PIS and doesn't matter anyway.

The whole story was stupid and required massive levels of jobbing.

Originally posted by leonidas

personally, i think the whole scene was just stupid and i put no stock in it at all, either way.

That's essentially what the "didn't use his claws" side is arguing anyways..

Wolverine isn't strong enough to hurt Thor with his bare hands. If that's what he did, it should be disregarded on the grounds of SMvFL..

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's even more PIS fueled than a punch causing Thor to yell out in pain.

He said arghhh dude. If that is crying out in pain I guess if let out death throes when I stubbed my toe. He had lacerations on his sides. Wolverine jumped on him, and the previously existing lacerations were agitated. He made a grunting noise.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That makes more sense, but unless Thor dismounted Logan before the claws could extend fully, it doesn't make much sense for Logan to only partially attempt to stab "Sabertooth" given the context of the fight.

fair enuff. so i resort again to this:

The whole story was stupid

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He said arghhh dude. If that is crying out in pain I guess if let out death throes when I stubbed my toe. He had lacerations on his sides. Wolverine jumped on him, and the previously existing lacerations were agitated. He made a grunting noise.

He said "ARGHHH!"

Clearly, it was intended to denote pain. They could have easily just had him wince or use something a little less subtle like "Hrnn" or "Nggg" or any other grunt FX comics have graced us with.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because when riding a flying person getting a hand hold is good idea? Because he had lacerations across his obliques? Nothing their indicates he was attempting to do anything other then jump on Thor's back. There isn't even any room in the panel that would allow for the possibility that Wolverine's claws were unsheathed and he was attempting to stab Thor "for Odin's sake".

Why in God’s name would Wolverine land on Thor like that if he intended to simply get a hand hold? Please, look at the scene again and then re-read what you just wrote it. You can’t honestly believe what you just said. He had some deeper cuts on his ribs, true, but he wouldn’t yell out in pain in such a manner by the simple process of Wolverine jumping on him unless they were extremely serious wounds. If that were the case, simply moving would be a hassle which it wasn’t.

Stop tossing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. Yes there is, and this angle game is really silly as it’s a comic book.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do some drawing through in your head like any amateur artist would when planning the panel layout. There is no room in that panel for Wolverine's claws to be unsheathed relative to the placement of where his hands would be and where Thor's body is. If where Thor arching his back in any significant way (which he isn't as evident by the placement of his waist and torso), Wolverine would be at the top part of the "U" shape and it would make it easier to see his claws, not harder.

Once again, ignoring the inconsistencies in comics, yes there is. Thor's back isn't arched all the way, just enough that that his claws aren't visible from our angle.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What? Wolverine's claws are retracted in the panel before he jumped on Thor, and the panel after he jumped on Thor. He sheathed after Thor smashed the ground and created a shock wave, but that doesn't help your twisted account of events in the slightest.

We don’t see Wolverine’s hands right before he jumps on Thor but only after his knocked away. Arguing them being sheathed in the next panel as an indication that they weren’t used is proved to not be necessarily true by the previous page where they went from extended to retracted in between panels.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He said "arghhh." That's a grunt. Arghhh, dude. You reach so hard you should change your screen name to Plastic Man.

I’m pretty sure the speech bubble was highlighted in order to indicate a yell. Thor wouldn’t scream out because of a single laceration on the side. The only time he reacted in such a manner during the comic was when he was being cut.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine had difficulty cutting Thor because he only ever landed glancing blows. If (and to be clear it wasn't) it was the writers intent that Wolverine was having trouble cutting Thor because of his durability that would have been PIS, because Wolverine has an entire career of cutting people with Thor level and higher durability with minimal effort.

That’s what you want to believe and I don’t think anything I can say or show will change your mind. It was spelled out right for us on panel: 'Though his strikes have failed to do any significant damage to due to the thickness of my Asgardian skin…” It’s pretty damn straight forward.

PIS? Okay, yea, I’m done. Anyone want to take over? Skrank believes Wolverine should cut through Thor like butter and anything that indicates otherwise either has some other explanation or is wrong.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He said "ARGHHH!"

Clearly, it was intended to denote pain. They could have easily just had him wince or use something a little less subtle like "Hrnn" or "Nggg" or any other grunt FX comics have graced us with.

Say the word aloud right now. Arghhh. Three h's. It's a grunt.

You can stretch almost as well as Rage, you most be Elongatedman. 😎

Originally posted by leonidas
there IS a middle ground, of course. logan can and has controlled the AMOUNT of claw he has released in the past. perhaps he stabbed him with his claws only partially extended....? shrug

i only bring it up because neither rage's nor srank's explanations seem to be very good imo. full claws should have done more damage imo. and it makes no sense to think he just.... punched him in the back.

For my part, awkward art aside, I always thought Wolverine just raked his claws down Thor's back from the over-to-downward arching motion lines. In any event, Wolverine's "full claws" kitty-scratched Thor's face. I don't see any reason to assume he should have done more damage whether it's a stab or a swipe.

On-topic: I agree with carver9, Gladiator kicks the crap out of Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Say the word aloud right now. Arghhh. Three h's. It's a grunt.

You can stretch almost as well as Rage, you most be Elongatedman. 😎

The exclamation point and the art makes it clear it wasn't just a grunt.

Yeah, I must be Elongated Man. Though it doesn't take his detective skills to realize you're spinning this entirely out of context.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Did you just invoke the Thanos supporters' argument that Wolverine only partially extended his claws into Thanos' chest during Infinity Gauntlet? crackers Kill yourself, leonidas.

For my part, awkward art aside, I always thought Wolverine just raked his claws down Thor's back from the over-to-downward arching motion lines. In any event, Wolverine's "full claws" kitty-scratched Thor's face. I don't see any reason to assume he should have done more damage whether it's a stab or a swipe.

On-topic: I agree with carver9, Gladiator kicks the crap out of Wolverine.

more importantly my good man--did YOU just agree with carver9???

i'll load the gun with 2 bullets. 😐

oh, and as for the fight--i agree with odg. crackers

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The exclamation point and the art makes it clear it wasn't just a grunt.

Yeah, I must be Elongated Man. Though it doesn't take his detective skills to realize you're spinning this entirely out of context.

His eyes are shut and his mouth is sort of open. There is nothing in the art nor the narrative that expresses it was anything more then a grunt.... because it was grunt.

This delving into ridiculousness imo. The next step is to observe his facial expression or something.

I think the scene is pretty clear, Wolverine jumped on Thor's back and tried to stab him. If not, he might have done what ODG suggested but either way it's obvious that his claws were used.

Skrank's argument that Logan tried to only grab onto Thor is easily one of the stupidest things I've read this year.

You need to read Quanchi vs Carver then.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why in God’s name would Wolverine land on Thor like that if he intended to simply get a hand hold? Please, look at the scene again and then re-read what you just wrote it. You can’t honestly believe what you just said. He had some deeper cuts on his ribs, true, but he wouldn’t yell out in pain in such a manner by the simple process of Wolverine jumping on him unless they were extremely serious wounds. If that were the case, simply moving would be a hassle which it wasn’t.

Why wouldn't he? He jumped on Thor's back. He agitated Thor's existing wounds. Thor grunted. Stop exaggerating what happened Stretch Armstrong.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Once again, ignoring the inconsistencies in comics, yes there is. Thor's back isn't arched all the way, just enough that that his claws aren't visible from our angle.

His back isn't arched at all. His shoulders are rolled back, but that's about it. You can see his belt and abs, its not difficult to infer the shape his body is in. There is no feasible way for Wolverine's claws to be extend in that picture and yet not be visible. If they were extended then they would be protruding through Thor's chest. Thor had enough problems with an shallow laceration across his oblique, you really believe Wolverine stabbed him in the back and what? Thor was completely fine with the six punctures in his lungs? Get real.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We don’t see Wolverine’s hands right before he jumps on Thor but only after his knocked away. Arguing them being sheathed in the next panel as an indication that they weren’t used is proved to not be necessarily true by the previous page where they went from extended to retracted in between panels.

Your right that it does necessarily mean his claws were retracted, it is merely a single piece of evidence in a long list of facts that disputes your claim.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I’m pretty sure the speech bubble was highlighted in order to indicate a yell. Thor wouldn’t scream out because of a single laceration on the side. The only time he reacted in such a manner during the comic was when he was being cut.

He said arghhh, it is literally the spelling of a grunting noise. Stop exaggerating every minute detail in attempt to bolster your inane theory-crafting.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That’s what you want to believe and I don’t think anything I can say or show will change your mind. It was spelled out right for us on panel: 'Though his strikes have failed to do any significant damage to due to the thickness of my Asgardian skin…” It’s pretty damn straight forward.

I agree it is straight forward. Thor has thicker skin than normal, Wolverine is only doing glancing blows, ergo said think skin prevent Wolverine from dealing more significant damage to his muscles.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
PIS? Okay, yea, I’m done. Anyone want to take over? Skrank believes Wolverine should cut through Thor like butter and anything that indicates otherwise either has some other explanation or is wrong.

Luckily there is nothing that indicates otherwise other then your fairy tale account of what happened. If we pretend what you are arguing is indeed correct then if flies directly in the face of the entirety of Wolverine canon, and thus is PIS.

I like to point out how stupid it was of Wolverine to climb up that tree.

The Wolverine side appears to be arguing that the fight was PIS, does that mean that they'll stop using it as proof?

Originally posted by Silent Master
The Wolverine side appears to be arguing that the fight was PIS, does that mean that they'll stop using it as proof?

Rage's interpretation of the fight would be PIS if it was what actually happened, luckily it isn't. What did happen is Wolverine landed a few glancing blows and still managed to cause damage to Thor, had Logan connected cleanly we all know what would have happened (see: Annihilators: Earthfall 02).

Post the scans or quotes that state they were only glancing blows.

Originally posted by Bentley
Dude, when have you seen a two handed straight punch?

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