Gladiator always enters a fight confident or at full power.
It's been brought up a few times but only in specific circumstances such as when his power begins to fail when it shouldn't like against Cannonball or a disguised Mr. Fantastic.
If he starts getting his *ss kicked by Hulk, and so on, unless his confidence is referenced, it's no excuse.
You can see the doubt creeping into his voice even before the fake blast. He knew that Rocket and the Guardians had access to some potent gear, so he started to get scared lmfao!
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Gladiator always enters a fight confident or at full power.It's been brought up a few times but only in specific circumstances such as when his power begins to fail when it shouldn't like against Cannonball or a disguised Mr. Fantastic.
If he starts getting his *ss kicked by Hulk, and so on, unless his confidence is referenced, it's no excuse.
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People try to hide behind that confidence myth like some kind of shield in case of Kallark getting his ass kicked.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tbf to Gladiator, Rachel was messing with his head.
That was the point though, she put the illusion there, but the pain and anguish was all his own bitching. He believed he was phucked, so he was. That's how weak/potent a factor strontian psionic abilities were under DnA.
Also one of the reasons I've never liked the character. Ultra powerful. But no real will to win so to speak. He starts out a fight kicking ass, but as sure as the sun rises, he begins to falter if the opponent has sufficient power and doesn't back down.
Originally posted by leonidas
that idea is very much overplayed and used as an excuse for glads WAYYYYY too often. can you name me a battle he went into where he wasn't confident? can you show me an on-panel incident depicting a sudden 'loss of confidence' that would explain his defeat? the SINGLE time where this was shown was in his first appearance in the FF. and even in THAT case reed was theorizing on the nature of his powers. so, since then, can you (or ANYONE) show a time where his 'confidence' has played a role in any of his battles?not going off on you specifically galan, but i hear that an awful lot on the forum and i think it is a complete myth (aka, a load of BS). though i'm willing to be educated and shown the error of my ways. 🙂
As you wish: i.imgur.com/Leikl.jpg
Originally posted by leonidas
well, maybe YOU can point to a specific time and place? i'm pretty familiar with him and his battles. i know for a fact it never played a role in his battles with thor, hulk, the avengers, supreme, tyrant, the x-men or any other actual battle i have witnessed. i have never seen him go into a battle NOT feeling confident, nor have i seen it stated that his confidence has waned during a battle and as such, THAT is the reason he lost.i am not being a d!ck pr. i'm genuinely curious about a specific scene (ff issue aside) that depicts the issue clearly.
Why is it that you always need more than one or two or even three showings? You do realise it is up to the writers/authors to decide, right? You have no say. What they say is law, unless or until it gets retconned.
Maybe he's ALWAYS been confident minus that time when Reed made him doubt his own abilities??
Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
As you wish: i.imgur.com/Leikl.jpgWhy is it that you always need more than one or two or even three showings? You do realise it is up to the writers/authors to decide, right? You have no say. What they say is law, unless or until it get retconned.
Maybe he's ALWAYS been confident minus that time when Reed made him doubt his own abilities??
so we can establish a baseline in debates.
Originally posted by dmills
That was the point though, she put the illusion there, but the pain and anguish was all his own bitching. He believed he was phucked, so he was. That's how weak/potent a factor strontian psionic abilities were under DnA.Also one of the reasons I've never liked the character. Ultra powerful. But no real will to win so to speak. He starts out a fight kicking ass, but as sure as the sun rises, he begins to falter if the opponent has sufficient power and doesn't back down.
Really? I'd have to re-read the scene to be sure but I assumed that was her doing. If he was imagining it, then they took the confidence thing to a new level.
The confidence thing doesn't come into play against sufficiently powerful entities. If he isn't winning against Thor/Hulk or someone, he isn't going to start dropping in power, even if he's never met the characters. Just how comics work.
Originally posted by -Pr-
so we can establish a baseline in debates.
No, one showing is all it takes, as long as said event doesn't get retconned.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆People try to hide behind that confidence myth like some kind of shield in case of Kallark getting his ass kicked.
It's not an excuse, but a fact: his powerlevels vary depending on his confidence.
How much they vary? It is not known, BUT THEY DO.
Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
It's not an excuse, but a fact: his powerlevels vary depending on his confidence.
How much they vary? It is not known, BUT THEY DO.
No, it's an excuse.
Unless his confidence is being specifically cited, alluded to, or mentioned wavering, there's no reason to assume he's at anything but full confidence, even when he's getting beaten. That's the only logical conclusion to come to.
People think that with full confidence Glads is a "planet busting" (ie. breaking apart some giant rock with no defined size or mass) elite herald who's possibly more powerful than Superman (lol). Fully confident Gladiator is just Gladiator as we typically see him.
At best he's an upper-mid herald.
Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
No, one showing is all it takes, as long as said event doesn't get retconned.It's not an excuse, but a fact: his powerlevels vary depending on his confidence.
How much they vary? It is not known, BUT THEY DO.
Not for this forum. We have to establish a consistent baseline.
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I think he's upper mid myself.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No, it's an excuse.Unless his confidence is being specifically cited, alluded to, or mentioned wavering, there's no reason to assume he's at anything but full confidence, even when he's getting beaten. That's the only logical conclusion to come to.
People think that with full confidence Glads is a "planet busting" (ie. breaking apart some giant rock with no defined size or mass) elite herald who's possibly more powerful than Superman (lol). Fully confident Gladiator is just Gladiator as we typically see him.
At best he's an upper-mid herald.
No one said otherwise, what has been said is: CONFIDENCE DOES AFFECT HIS POWER LEVEL. Do you agree? If you don't, you are wrong.
I never said anything other than what I have just stated, nor do I know how big a role it plays.
Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
No one said otherwise, what has been said is: CONFIDENCE DOES AFFECT HIS POWER LEVEL. Do you agree? If you don't, you are wrong.I never said anything other than I have just stated.
It effects his power level, sure.
But said confidence issues don't factor into all of his battles. Ie. it's only a factor when specifically referenced. And Gladiator has gotten his ass kicked plenty of times without his confidence being brought up.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It effects his power level, sure.But said confidence issues don't factor into all of his battles. Ie. it's only a factor when specifically referenced. And Gladiator has gotten his ass kicked plenty of times without his confidence being brought up.
I agree!
... and my vote goes to Gladiator, though I reckon it'd be a tough call. <-- just my opinion.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Perhaps. Personally, I feel that the fact that Thor is clearly a step above him both on the average and when cutting loose, hence the reasoning for my stance.
Thor's like the the best of the best. And Gladiator can compete most of the time. Not in power output of course but still peers.
