Thor vs Gladiator

Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
As you wish: i.imgur.com/Leikl.jpg

Why is it that you always need more than one or two or even three showings? You do realise it is up to the writers/authors to decide, right? You have no say. What they say is law, unless or until it gets retconned.
Maybe he's ALWAYS been confident minus that time when Reed made him doubt his own abilities??

i have no idea what kind of scans those are supposed to be but i cannot view them.

as far as the rest--crying about writers is the ultimate cop-out. OF COURSE it depends on the writer. according to you though, if a writer decided to have aunt may beat up glads it would be fine though because it only takes one showing and that singular showing would effectively retcon everything that came before. great logic! 😱 we'd therefore have a new power level for glads--at least until he had another showing.

what? no? you'd label the aunt may feat PIS? why? how are you coming to that conclusion?? ohhhhh, you're using PAST showings to reach the PIS decision you say? precisely.

if the majority of his showings never reference his confidence issues in a battle, then a SINGULAR showing is NOT enough to override the collective showings. unless, as you seem to do so well, you simply pick and choose what you will and won't call pis based upon your own bias.

does his power rest, to some degree, on his mental status? sure. does that mean that when hulk, thor, supreme, et al, kicked in his shite that it was because he 'wasn't confident'? no. my problem is that glads' fans use his 'confidence' as a crutch and an excuse to explain away his losses when in the VAST majority of cases his confidence is never mentioned. he goes into every battle confident unless stated otherwise. when he loses, his 'confidence' isn't the reason, unless it is mentioned specifically (and i'm still waiting to see that). the fact that his opponent is more powerful IS the reason.

Originally posted by leonidas
i have no idea what kind of scans those are supposed to be but i cannot view them.

as far as the rest--crying about writers is the ultimate cop-out. OF COURSE it depends on the writer. according to you though, if a writer decided to have aunt may beat up glads it would be fine though because it only takes one showing and that singular showing would effectively retcon everything that came before. great logic! 😱 we'd therefore have a new power level for glads--at least until he had another showing.

what? no? you'd label the aunt may feat PIS? why? how are you coming to that conclusion?? ohhhhh, you're using PAST showings to reach the PIS decision you say? precisely.

if the majority of his showings never reference his confidence issues in a battle, then a SINGULAR showing is NOT enough to override the collective showings. unless, as you seem to do so well, you simply pick and choose what you will and won't call pis based upon your own bias.

does his power rest, to some degree, on his mental status? sure. does that mean that when hulk, thor, supreme, et al, kicked in his shite that it was because he 'wasn't confident'? no. my problem is that glads' fans use his 'confidence' as a crutch and an excuse to explain away his losses when in the VAST majority of cases his confidence is never mentioned. he goes into every battle confident unless stated otherwise. when he loses, his 'confidence' isn't the reason, unless it is mentioned specifically (and i'm still waiting to see that). the fact that his opponent is more powerful IS the reason.

The fact his confidence affects his abilities has only been talked about once, maybe two times, and that was NOT retconned.
The scan I posted is from one of the six marvel encyclopaedia:

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Again, I cannot stress this enough: ALTHOUGH CONFIDENCE plays a big role in the strength of ALL heroes, it plays a larger role in Gladiator's powerlevel.. how big a role? It is not known, as it has never been stated. BUT the authors have put it in the encyclopaedia, so basically, you cannot argue with that.

Originally posted by leonidas
does his power rest, to some degree, on his mental status? sure. does that mean that when hulk, thor, supreme, et al, kicked in his shite that it was because he 'wasn't confident'? no.

Wrong, the correct answer to that is: "I don't know", or even "unlikely"; but you can never be sure.

Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
The fact his confidence affects his abilities has only been talked about once, maybe two times, and that was NOT retconned.
The scan I posted is from one of the six marvel encyclopaedia:

ht tp://i.imgur.com/Leikl.jpg (remove the space between ht and tp)

Again, I cannot stress this enough: ALTHOUGH CONFIDENCE plays a big role in the strength of ALL heroes, it plays a larger role in Gladiator's powerlevel.. how big a role? It is not known, as it has never been stated. BUT the authors have put it in the encyclopaedia, so basically, you cannot argue with that.

Wrong, the correct answer to that is: "I don't know", or even "unlikely"; but you can never be sure.

quoting handbooks? not the best idea....

and i say no because it was never referenced. to assume such is the case is to make a false assumption based on a lack of evidence.

I'm digging for a scan I have of Glads specifically saying -paraphrasing- "I'm invincible because I believe it to be so", then he goes on to own whomever it was he was talking to. Personally I have no idea why its such a big deal. There's more then enough evidence -both direct and anecdotal that establishes his power set is to a degree psionically driven by belief in himself. At the end of the day it makes him all the more pathetic to be honest. The elite find a way to pull it out even when they're seemingly outclassed. He ain't an elite.

Ah, here it is. How can I forget the Vulcan fight.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/244596-vulcan2_super.jpg

So during that arc we have both sides of the belief/confidence coin being shown. Him tanking Vulcan's attack because he believed himself untouchable. And later Rocket owning him with an illusion because he believed he was getting phucked up by it. Once he stopped believing it, the illusion was no longer effective. I don't see how it can be made any clearer. Some beings ie. Thor, Hulk etc are simply powerful enough to phuck him up no matter what he believes.

What if Gladiator rakes Thor's eye out (no Runes)?

Originally posted by dmills
Ah, here it is. How can I forget the Vulcan fight.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/244596-vulcan2_super.jpg

So during the arc we have both sides of the belief/confidence coin being shown. Him tanking Vulcan's attack because he believed himself untouchable. And later Rocket owning him with an illusion because he believed he was getting phucked up by it. Once he stopped believing it, the illusion was no longer effective. I don't see how it can be made any clearer. Some beings ie. Thor, Hulk etc are powerful enough to phuck him up no matter what he believes.

That's not what we're arguing technically, though. More talking about people that might use him losing, without any mention of his confidence in the comic, is down to said confidence failing him.

I think.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's not what we're arguing technically, though. More talking about people that might use him losing, without any mention of his confidence in the comic, is down to said confidence failing him.

I think.

I think you're right. Seems we're arguing semantics here. I look at the Glads confidence factor more or less as how one looks at Namor in/out of water. He's at his best when he's fresh, cocky and confident. In other words, at the beginning of a fight. Not so much when someone pushes him past the limits of what he believes to be true, namely that he's "untouchable".

How else does one explain how dude can go from looking unbeatable at the onset of a fight, to almost always right on que, flopping like a fish towards the end. Most heroes/anti heroes get better as the fight goes on. This guy gets progressively worse. It's pathetic lulz.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's not what we're arguing technically, though. More talking about people that might use him losing, without any mention of his confidence in the comic, is down to said confidence failing him.

I think.

correct.

Originally posted by dmills
I think you're right. Seems we're arguing semantics here. I look at the Glads confidence factor more or less as how one looks at Namor in/out of water. He's at his best when he's fresh, cocky and confident. In other words, at the beginning of a fight. Not so much when someone pushes him past the limits of what he believes to be true, namely that he's "untouchable".

How else does one explain how dude can go from looking unbeatable at the onset of a fight, to almost always right on que, flopping like a fish towards the end. Most heroes/anti heroes get better as the fight goes on. This guy gets progressively worse. It's pathetic lulz.

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This is why Thor beats Glads every single time; if Glads doesnt dominate and beat you quickly, he gets weaker as the fight progresses...

Thor has alot of heart; that heart factor will sap all of Glads belief that he could best the God of Thunder...

Thor wins 10/10...

Originally posted by dmills
I think you're right. Seems we're arguing semantics here. I look at the Glads confidence factor more or less as how one looks at Namor in/out of water. He's at his best when he's fresh, cocky and confident. In other words, at the beginning of a fight. Not so much when someone pushes him past the limits of what he believes to be true, namely that he's "untouchable".

How else does one explain how dude can go from looking unbeatable at the onset of a fight, to almost always right on que, flopping like a fish towards the end. Most heroes/anti heroes get better as the fight goes on. This guy gets progressively worse. It's pathetic lulz.

and you're right as well. i've already said i know his power is mentally based. my issue is that people say he loses because he is not at full confidence. but he ALWAYS goes in confident. we can simply ASSUME he loses confidence as the fight goes on, but it is rarely shown to be the case. people seem to think that a fully-confident glads is truly unbeatable, when, clearly, he is NOT. fully confident at the start of a battle he is a solid low-end high herald or high-end mid herald.

my issue has always been with people saying he loses battles because of his confidence when he never wins WHILE 'confident'. if you get what i'm trying to say.....

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
This is why Thor beats Glads every single time; if Glads doesnt dominate and beat you quickly, he gets weaker as the fight progresses...

nutnut

Originally posted by leonidas
and you're right as well. i've already said i know his power is mentally based. my issue is that people say he loses because he is not at full confidence. but he ALWAYS goes in confident. we can simply ASSUME he loses confidence as the fight goes on, but it is rarely shown to be the case. people seem to think that a fully-confident glads is truly unbeatable, when, clearly, he is NOT. fully confident at the start of a battle he is a solid low-end high herald or high-end mid herald.

my issue has always been with people saying he loses battles because of his confidence when he never wins WHILE 'confident'. if you get what i'm trying to say.....

Dan goes on to mention various teams, including the Avengers and JLA, and asks if there is a super team that can even stand up to them! He then goes on to say with this being such a powerful team - "just imagine the threats Andy and I are dreaming up to make this star cast worthwhile."

Wow! I hope Tom Brevoort and Dan DiDio read that one!

Be sure to head on over to Dan's Blog for more including mention of the Guardians of the Galaxy and the Rocket & Groot story which is the second part in a double sized issue of The Annihilators!

Regular readers of Cosmic Book News will know that I have been consistently saying that Quasar is, perhaps, the most powerful of all. Over at the Marvel Facebook page they asked that very question with a majority answering - the Silver Surfer! We know Wendell was forced to lose to the Sentinel of the Spaceways in the legendary Quasar #50 where Quasar saved the OmniVerse! Of course this doesn't leave out Gladiator who is as strong as he believes he is! Plus, what about everyone's favorite Korbinite - Beta Ray Bill! Last, but definitely not least, do not fall under the jurisdiction of Ronan or be prepared to feel the weigh of his gravel!

At the moment, the only weakness that I can see that The Annihilators have is to magic! They lack a Doctor Strange or Adam Warlock. And what do DnA give us right off the bat - the Dire Wraiths!

This is going to be a good one for sure! Look to Cosmic Book News in the future for your source of news and info on The Annihilators - which hits this March!

Gladiator wins if he is allowed to use his powers instead of doing what the story requires.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
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This is why Thor beats Glads every single time; if Glads doesnt dominate and beat you quickly, he gets weaker as the fight progresses...

Thor has alot of heart; that heart factor will sap all of Glads belief that he could best the God of Thunder...

Thor wins 10/10...

No, he's better than Gladiator.

Originally posted by Warning757
Thor beats gladiator because of a script, not because he is better than gladiator. I believe that using a comic book fight where we all know who will be allowed to win is lame. Spiderman vs firelord comes to mind.

Did you just compare Thor beating Gladiator to Spider-Man beating Firelord?

Go back to CBR, we don't want your kind here.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did you just compare Thor beating Gladiator to Spider-Man beating Firelord?

Go back to CBR, we don't want your kind here.

Yeah, writing bias happens, but Thor beating Gladiator still isn't remotely as bad as Spiderman beating Firelord.

For one thing, Thor packs enough power to legitimately beat him down, and his durability showings are good enough to take a planet busting shot or two. And while Glads won't use his super speed, this is pretty common for his archtype.. Supes gets beat down by mooks like Mongul and Grundy all the time before figuring out he has super speed, if he figures it out..