Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor at his best cannot be harmed by Gladiator.Thor at his best can easily kill Gladiator.
Thor at his best is as fast as Gladiator.
Therefore Thor stomps. I should have used H1n8's approach more often, debating this is way so much easier.
Word. Thor has more fake hustle then just about any other herald out there.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor can't do anything if he is getting attacked well. It's not like the faster character is just going to sit there and let Thor do whatever he wants. Thor must earn the chance, in which I don't see him doing if the other character is constantly and aggressively pouring on the attack.
Lol He cant stop him.. Cant stop him controlling the weather, cant stop him throwing/spinning Mjolnir. Herc had Thor in a head lock and was choking Thor (a Thor without Mjolnir mind you), yet that that didn't stop Thor blasting Herc with Lightning.
So speed blitz or not, theres nothing Glads can do to stop Thor attacking him. Of course Glads can use his faster than light speed to run away, which would probably be a good idea for him.
And in terms of Durability, if you see the punishment Thor's taken from the likes of The Destroyer, you would know a speed blitz from Glads will not be the end of him. It will probably just make him mad. Glads wnt like Thor when he's mad!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol He cant stop him.. Cant stop him controlling the weather, cant stop him throwing/spinning Mjolnir.
Thor didn't nothing while Sentry was squeezing the crap out of him and then destroying Asgard.
Thor just stood there, said no, wanted to do something, raised his hand with Mjolnir in it and there it was already too late, since Asgard was destroyed.
Way to stop a character with actual superspeed, huh? Oh no wait, he didn't. Thor is not fast.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Thor didn't nothing while Sentry was squeezing the crap out of him and then destroying Asgard.
Thor just stood there, said no, wanted to do something, raised his hand with Mjolnir in it and there it was already too late, since Asgard was destroyed.Way to stop a character with actual superspeed, huh? Oh no wait, he didn't. Thor is not fast.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Thor didn't nothing while Sentry was squeezing the crap out of him and then destroying Asgard.
Thor just stood there, said no, wanted to do something, raised his hand with Mjolnir in it and there it was already too late, since Asgard was destroyed.Way to stop a character with actual superspeed, huh? Oh no wait, he didn't. Thor is not fast.
And Sentry for all his super speed could not stop Hulk pounding on him.. Sentry also got tossed around by Hercules! Way to use his super speed to blitz a slower opponent. Oh no wait, he didn't. Glads is not beating Thor.
The point I and others here are making (in case you haven't understood yet) is if you're going to assume the Speedsters use their speed to the best of their ability then you also have to assume Thor's fighting at his best, doing everything he's ever been shown capable of doing.
Unless of course you want this fight to be Gladiator at his best vs Thor who just can not be arsed.. Thats a fight Glads might actually win.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And Sentry for all his super speed could not stop Hulk pounding on him.. Way to use his super speed to blitz a slower opponent. Oh no wait, he didn't.
There was a difference in that one. Sentry didn't even try to avoid any of the hits. He took them all gladly, since he was losing control, destroying everything and wanted to be stopped.
Can't say the same for Thor, who probably didn't want everything to get destroyed, yet he was not able to intervene, since he was slow and too weak.
Originally posted by Enzeru
There was a difference in that one. Sentry didn't even try to avoid any of the hits. He took them all gladly, since he was losing control, destroying everything and wanted to be stopped.Can't say the same for Thor, who probably didn't want everything to get destroyed, yet he was not able to intervene, since he was slow and too weak.
Ah so low balling Thor while making excuses for Sentry's lower feats.
Oh and I guess Senrty wanted to get his butt kicked by Hercules too?!
Yeah your logic is terrible.. CIS works both ways. Either accept CIS, or accept what both characters are capable of. Dnt pick and chose as you wish.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ah so low balling Thor while making excuses for Sentry's lower feats.Oh and I guess Senrty wanted to get his butt kicked by Hercules too?!
Yeah your logic is terrible.. CIS works both ways. Either accept CIS, or accept what both characters are capable of. Dnt pick and chose as you wish.
Are you trolling me right now, or are you serious?
I'll repeat it again: the Sentry you saw fighting against WW Hulk was unstable. It's the characters weakness to be less powerful, if he is unstable, since his powerlevel varies with his mental stability.
Yet he had the upper hand in the fight against WW Hulk. Now try to remember against how many times Thor was fighting against Hulk and how their fight turns out, even though they mostly only brawled (Thor would have won if he used special powers, but the same goes for Sentry). Thor lost many of these fights and I don't think that he wanted to be defeated in even one of them (and now don't come up with the statement, that he only uses 1/3 of his strenght, no matter who he fights, because that was in an What if?).
Sentry wanted to be defeated in the WW Hulk arc, because he was unstable and started passivly destroying the entire area around himself. Proofs that he was unstable, you ask?
- He stood for nearly two two days in front of his door, unable to leave the house, because the Agoraphobia was so intense at that moment.
- Even when the Hulk was harming the other heroes and threatening them, Sentry didn't intervene. He did it, when Hulk decided to kill the heroes.
- Sentry lost the control over his reduced powerlevel and started destroying the entire area passivly in the process, causing damage in billiongs, so yeah - that is pretty unstable and because of the instability, you didn't see the real power of one million exploding suns, which would annihilate the Earth, the Moon and then probably turn into a massive black hole, which would cause ridiculous amounts of damage.
In his fight against Hercules Sentry didn't even try to. He wanted to end it without a fight, yet he got outskilled against Hercules. That's what happened few times to him, since Sentry was inexperienced with his powers, after he appeared in the New Avengers.
Hercules dodged the bullrushing and BFR'd Sentry few times. In the very same fight, he struggeled with Sentry's punches and had to support his hand to block Sentry's punch. Then he fought dirty and kicked Sentry into the balls.
But let's take a look at the What If?'s, even though they don't matter, even though they often don't mess up with the powerlevels of the characters.
Sentry VS Thor in Secret Invasion? Sentry had the clear speed advantages, but Thor broke his neck in the end, thanks to the superior fighting skill. Thor too had to fight dirty and attacked the Sentry while he was busy with something else.
Sentry VS Thor during the Siege of Asgard What If? In that one Sentry was in full control over his powers and easily killed Thor, cut of his arm, while he was wielding Mjolnir. Way to spin Mjolnir with light speed and attacked the enemies.
I fail to see where the PIS is in these instances, since the writers nearly always knew what they were doing (besides the neck breaking, since Sentry returned from far worse stuff).
Sentry > Hercules, who doubts that?
Sentry > WW Hulk, who doubts that?
In both encounters Sentry would have won, if he would have used his powers properly, but he didn't. Call it CIS, since he underestimated his enemis / didn't want to hurt them and held back, yet he always had the upper hand if you look at it without being biased.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Are you trolling me right now, or are you serious?
Are you kidding me?! Im supposed to be the Troll here now?!
You're the only one trolling here denying Thor can react to superhuman speeds even though scans have been shown to you in the last few pages of him doing so. Even though Thor routinely handles the likes of Surfer and Gladiator, using their speed or not.
You're the one trolling saying Thor cant move at those kind of speeds even though scans have been shown that he can!
You're the one trolling denying Thor could use his other powers to hit an opponent who is overwhelming him, even though did so to Hercules who was choking Thor out.. And that even without Mjolnir!!
Originally posted by Enzeru
In his fight against Hercules Sentry didn't even try to. He wanted to end it without a fight, yet he got outskilled against Hercules.
You're just making excuses for Sentry's low feats, while Low balling Thor using his.. Troll alert!!
Originally posted by Enzeru
Sentry > Hercules, who doubts that?
Sentry > WW Hulk, who doubts that?
Actually people will deny that especially since he's fought them both yet never defeated either. Got tooled by one of them!
Originally posted by Enzeru
In both encounters Sentry would have won, if he would have used his powers properly, but he didn't. Call it CIS, since he underestimated his enemis / didn't want to hurt them and held back, yet he always had the upper hand if you look at it without being biased.
You've already been explained the double standards your using her! Troll Alert!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh my indeed..
Oh my, yes, you are biased towards Thor big time.
Is Hercules in your mind also a speedster? As far as I know he isn't.
In Thor #400 he and Thor arm-wrestled and were considered as equals. During Thor: Blood Oath they fought again and Thor was not using Mjolnir. Hercules outskilled him in the end and Thor was not able to break free. He was nearly going to past out and then cheated to win (hi @ Lightning Bolt).
When Sentry attacked Hercules, he wasn't even really trying, since he tried to reason with Hercules, who was BFR'ing him with throws. He also should be able to do something like that, because Hercules is skilled. He has centuries of fighting experience, while Sentry does not.
When Sentry finally bullrushed Hercules into the ground and punched him once, Hercules managed to block the punch, but yet had to support it with his other hand and it really, really looked like he was struggeling, so he too had to cheat, since strenght alone was clearly not on his side. He kicked Sentry into the balls and ran away.
What does this prove? And these are facts my friend, not fanboy-biasm towards anyone:
1. You talk like Thor has some awesome movement, which he has not, yet he is only as fast as Hercules in a fight, who is not superfast.
2. Thor then starts to lose the fight, since he is not using Mjolnir, which could give him extra advantages, in a fight where it's about skill.
3. Sentry too has the disadvantage when it comes to skill, since Hercules IS skill, yet he seems to be the superior one when it comes to the strenght, since Hercules struggels and cheats.
4. Sentry destroys Ares, HE DESTROYS ARES during the Siege of Asgard, since his speed and strenght are simply too much for Ares, who is still skilled enough to land one single blow.
5. And now ask yourself how Ares did back then against Thor and Hercules, even though he is physically way beneath them.
And everything Ares ever managed to do in their fights, was because he too is very skilled and not superfast or something.
No matter how much you want it... Thor CAN NOT move at lightspeed, and right now I'm not talking about traveling speed, which he only can reach thanks to Mjolnir.
Having better reactions then ordinary peak human is nice and so on and it's something experienced Gods should have and they also do, but that's still not enough to compete with people who have superspeed as a part of their powerset: Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Sentry and so on.
It's a difference if you can think, react and move at super high velocities, or if you only have strenght and because of that strenght you can move your arm fast in 360° or something what Thor would do when he would be spinning Mjolnir.
Spider-Man's and Wolverines speed > Thor, LOL!
Oh my, yes oh my, entertain me with a weird reply to this one, "DARTH POWER".
Originally posted by Enzeru
Oh my, yes, you are biased towards Thor big time.Is Hercules in your mind also a speedster? As far as I know he isn't.
In Thor #400 he and Thor arm-wrestled and were considered as equals. During Thor: Blood Oath they fought again and Thor was not using Mjolnir. Hercules outskilled him in the end and Thor was not able to break free. He was nearly going to past out and then cheated to win (hi @ Lightning Bolt).When Sentry attacked Hercules, he wasn't even really trying, since he tried to reason with Hercules, who was BFR'ing him with throws. He also should be able to do something like that, because Hercules is skilled. He has centuries of fighting experience, while Sentry does not.
When Sentry finally bullrushed Hercules into the ground and punched him once, Hercules managed to block the punch, but yet had to support it with his other hand and it really, really looked like he was struggeling, so he too had to cheat, since strenght alone was clearly not on his side. He kicked Sentry into the balls and ran away.What does this prove? And these are facts my friend, not fanboy-biasm towards anyone:
1. You talk like Thor has some awesome movement, which he has not, yet he is only as fast as Hercules in a fight, who is not superfast.
2. Thor then starts to lose the fight, since he is not using Mjolnir, which could give him extra advantages, in a fight where it's about skill.
3. Sentry too has the disadvantage when it comes to skill, since Hercules IS skill, yet he seems to be the superior one when it comes to the strenght, since Hercules struggels and cheats.
4. Sentry destroys Ares, HE DESTROYS ARES during the Siege of Asgard, since his speed and strenght are simply too much for Ares, who is still skilled enough to land one single blow.
5. And now ask yourself how Ares did back then against Thor and Hercules, even though he is physically way beneath them.
And everything Ares ever managed to do in their fights, was because he too is very skilled and not superfast or something.No matter how much you want it... Thor CAN NOT move at lightspeed, and right now I'm not talking about traveling speed, which he only can reach thanks to Mjolnir.
Having better reactions then ordinary peak human is nice and so on and it's something experienced Gods should have and they also do, but that's still not enough to compete with people who have superspeed as a part of their powerset: Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Sentry and so on.It's a difference if you can think, react and move at super high velocities, or if you only have strenght and because of that strenght you can move your arm fast in 360° or something what Thor would do when he would be spinning Mjolnir.
[b]Spider-Man's and Wolverines speed > Thor, LOL!
Oh my, yes oh my, entertain me with a weird reply to this one, "DARTH POWER". [/B]
Yeah the so called Thor "speed feats" that get cited by Thorbags are pretty turrible. None of them are even Spider-man level speed feats, let alone light speed ones. ZOMG Thor swung his hammer before Gladitor could fly into him!!! LIGHTSPEED!!! Gladitor was like eight feet away from Thor... if he hit mach speed in that time I'd be surprised. Hyperion flew into Thor, grappled with him and got swatted away! Leeeeeeeeeeight speed!!! Thor smacked the ground and knocked over Quicksilver! Uh yeah that's a light speed! Thor ambushed Hermes while he was mind his own business! Speed of light!!!! Come one guys. Mjolnir can move at light speed, as such Thor can spin it at the speed of light, he can throw it at the speed of light, and he can use it to fly at the speed of light, but his combat reflexes are street level standard.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said thor is lightspeed fast? Not even the hardcore thor fanboys would say that. Darth is taking more than he can chew.
On the last page of this thread alone Jack, Damb and Rage all implied that Thor had FTL speed to match Glads...
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's called strawmanning, it's what srank does in Thor debates.
We've already established you don't read my posts (or comics), you just hit the reply button then spew out some nonsense. Stop embarrassing yourself.