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Return of the King
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor at his best can be harmed by Gladiator. Thor hasn't proven to resist planet shattering punches without being hurt.Thor at his best is not as fast (combat speed) as Gladiator.
Therefore Thor loses big.
Thor at his best tanks attacks from Skyfathers and beyond. WTF is Gladiator going to do to him? Lol at "planet shattering" punches. It's easily the only feat of Gladiator's that his supporters try to cling on to as justification for him beating Thor. First of all, that feat is garbage as we don't know what kind of mass said "planet" had nor its size. It was a giant phucking space rock that Gladiator styled on. Big freakin' deal. Grey Hulk broke a planet sized asteroid and he'd get dominated by Thor, let alone Thor at his best if we want to play that game.
Gladiator hasn't displayed any combat speed or relevant close quarters abilities that place him overwhelmingly over Thor's best feats. He can fly really fast in a straight path. So can Thor.
No, you're wrong and comics support Thor being > Gladiator on average. Thor's >>> Gladiator at his absolute best.
Originally posted by h1a8
How can Thor do anything from the get go like that when Glads is faster than him and will beat him to the punch. I don't have to show where Glads can combo to ko. I just have to show that he can do it. For example, I don't have to show that Superman can lift a van if I show that he is capable of lifting a van. Glads is strong enough to stun Thor with a blow. He is fast enough to land another blow before the stun effect wears off increasing the stun effect. Glads continues into Thor is koed.
Because Thor has the ability to attack and counter attack even while being staggered? Because Thor has feats justifying him not being at Gladiator's mercy? Because Thor already beat the shit out of Gladiator and Gladiator-like enemies? And, yeah, you have to show this combo-to-ko bullshit you like to tout. Your entire strategy and reasoning for virtually every thread hinges on that theory and you never can back it up by on panel evidence. Instead, you arbitrarily throw numbers and math around like it means something (it doesn't) and cite a bunch of random feats displaying speed, assemble them together like an awkward puzzle, and then attempt to justify your stance. It doesn't work that way. You think Gladiator is too fast for Thor and can combo-to-ko him without Thor ever hitting him back? Well, the burden is on you to show Gladiator using his speed in such a fashion and successfully beating or coming close to beating someone with Thor's power level, abilities, and feats. I already know nothing like that exists outside of a time displaced Gladiator trying to scrape together every single advantage possible against Thor and still getting his shit kicked in decisively once Thor got mad. It's getting really tiring as you basically ignore the comics, cite whatever you don't like as PIS, and show a staggering lack of knowledge on what Thor, in this case, is capable of.
Originally posted by h1a8
Comics are full of characters not performing their best and doing stupid things at times. QS could have not understood what Thor was trying to do until it was too late. Nothing can escape the shock when the ground is hit since the shock is instantaneous traveled. The could have been moving at 600mph (which is fast for humans but slow for Glads). The feats are garbage. Glads doesn't have to rush Thor at the bell. He can just get to him and stop and then fight him mano a mano from close range. Also, Thor can't do exotic things very fast. He can't launch the hammer at incredible speeds before taking time to whirl it to accelerate it to those speeds, he can't erupt a huge burst of lightning before Glads pops him, He can't create a shield in less than 3 seconds (enough time for Glads to throw more than a million punches), etc. Thor is too slow. Glads dominates Thor because he strikes harder than Thor (using fists) and he is much faster and will get more strikes in. Why argue this?
So, comics are chockfull of PIS moments and jobbing? And this somehow applies only to Gladiator...how? Thor outfought and out thought Quicksilver, who's now approaching lightspeed in Marvel. And it's not the first time he's humiliated someone "faster" than him. Get over it. Also, get your facts straightened out, please. Thor can do exotic things very fast. He's instantly discharged huge blasts of energy, instantly summoned weather effects, dropped thunderbolts, etc. Thor sometimes goes into lengthy speeches because his dialogue is a heavy focal point of the character; the guy has some of the most boisterous and epic lines in comicdom. Doesn't mean he has to do all that shit. And by your own example, they'd fall under "comics doing stupid things". You can't very well attribute every time a speedster fails to PIS and jobbing and then turn around and act like Thor doesn't suffer from that and that he doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt of just doing whatever the hell you want. Shit, it's not so much the fact that you completely overrate the hell out of speed to a degree that no writer would ever agree with most of your outcomes, it's the fact that you literally are making up shit. Thor can't launch the hammer at incredible speeds without "winding up"? Not only is that grossly inaccurate, but that's borderline trolling, intentional or not. He can't summon lightning before Gladiator hits him? Based on what? And Gladiator can throw millions of punches in the span of three seconds? Prove it with actual feats or on panel evidence. Show me a single instance of Gladiator doing so or even alluding that he can. Hell, even statements would be better than nothing. Don't throw around your calculations like they mean something. Put up or shut up, h1. Seriously.
Originally posted by h1a8
If Glads rocks Thor in the face then Thor can't control the weather, spin Mjolnir, or blast anything with lightning. Ever heard of the combo to ko?
Bullshit. Thor's been attacked from multiple directions and while attacked was still cognitive enough to unleash multi-directional lightning. Thor can still spin and throw Mjolnir while being attacked and hit. I've heard of the combo to ko, just like everyone else here, and it doesn't exist in comics.
If you want to seriously argue Gladiator here, cite issue numbers and on panel feats to prove your point. Making shit up about him and presenting misinformation about Thor doesn't help your case. At all. I think your problem is that you're trying to apply real world physics, math, science, and logic to characters that frankly, shit all over them (especially Thor). Whether you do this purely for the academic draw to it, which is commendable, or you do this because you heavily disagree with comics or whatever is beyond me, but you're basically making shit up that's never happened in the pages of a comic, never has been alluded to or hinted at in comics, and is so far out of the realm of possibility that it's not even worth seriously debating.
