Originally posted by JakeTheBank
There's only so much nonsense even I can put up with.The whole speed thing is one thing; I have no problems with the idea of speed being an advantage over Thor as it has shown to be an edge in the past. But pretending that it's insurmountable for him while at the same time making shit up is ridiculous. And it's not like this is the first time, either.
Lol. Welcome to my world. Very often I'm dealing with this in Nova vs threads where his opponent has a perceived strength advantage, even though he has a ton of feats showing that he is more then capable of successfully countering it. Unfortunately perception -without full facts- seems to get the better of peoples senses in a vs forum.
Originally posted by abhilegend
^It's nothing compared to cbr's marvel bias where surfer solos DC earth.
IMO, DC Earth beats Marvel Earth due to DC having a higher abundance of speedster bricks.
But Surfer has even bigger speed feats than Flash, and the raw power to beat most characters, and the versatility to weakness exploit those he can't outright beat, like Superman.
The answer to Surfer is: New Gods.
Originally posted by cdtmnot anymore he doesn't or at least in meaningful ways as of Rebirth and Flashpoint. but then again I have a bias due to my respect for the speedforce's abilities more so than the individual flashes... Stupid control over kinetic energy... Comes down to whether or not Power cosmic could stop the Flash from turning surfer into a statue before omniblasting the planet to stop him. Even that probably wouldn't work if Flash hops into the speedforce to dodge it and I really don't think Surfer could follow him if it came to it.
IMO, DC Earth beats Marvel Earth due to DC having a higher abundance of speedster bricks.But Surfer has even bigger speed feats than Flash, and the raw power to beat most characters, and the versatility to weakness exploit those he can't outright beat, like Superman.
The answer to Surfer is: New Gods.
Originally posted by carver9No way can a slower being hit a MUCH faster being the same amount of times. Your logic sucks to no end.
First...I want people to realize that even though I think Gladiator and Supes is faster than Thor....they are by no means unhittable. Thor can hit them just as many times as theyll hit Thor. Consistent showings doesn't portray them as untouchable beings.Like I have always stated, I would give Thor a healthy majority against both but if they used their speed in a CISless style, I would still give Thor the majority but it'll be like 6 or 7/10. His chances become slimmer.
They are nigh untouchable when it comes to a forum fight where they fight at their best. This isn't a comic fight Carv.
Originally posted by carver9
First...I want people to realize that even though I think Gladiator and Supes is faster than Thor....they are by no means unhittable. Thor can hit them just as many times as theyll hit Thor. Consistent showings doesn't portray them as untouchable beings.
So why did you say this then?
Originally posted by carver9
As for this thread...when I see Thor fighting like this...then I will agree he could keep up with people like Supes and Gladiator.
Originally posted by carver9
Comicvine is the worst site I have been on in my entire life.Everyone on the board voted that in a arm wrestling contest between Supes and WBH, Supes would rip Hulks arms off due to Super speed.
Haha.. I read that.. It was funny..
Originally posted by h1a8They are nigh untouchable when it comes to a forum fight where they fight at their best. This isn't a comic fight Carv.
Well it is a comic fight in that we base what they can do and how they can handle opponents based on whats happened in comics. We just cant low ball due to PIS showings. Which is what people are doing here when they bring up Thor being slower than Spidey and Wolverine. (Who are both the Batmen of the MU in what they can accomplish anyway).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Which is what people are doing here when they bring up Thor being slower than Spidey and Wolverine. (Who are both the Batmen of the MU in what they can accomplish anyway).
It is in no way a lowball bringing up spidey and wolverine seeing as what they have both done to previous opponents as well as Thor.
In a total slug fest no speed Thor is going to win.
With Speed in a forum fight Glads should win but Thor has thousands of showings vs Glads hundreds so far more to use for Thor.
Hell Thor's top showings beat Odin, that's how it is.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So why did you say this then?Haha.. I read that.. It was funny..
Well it is a comic fight in that we base what they can do and how they can handle opponents based on whats happened in comics. We just cant low ball due to PIS showings. Which is what people are doing here when they bring up Thor being slower than Spidey and Wolverine. (Who are both the Batmen of the MU in what they can accomplish anyway).
Originally posted by snowdragon
It is in no way a lowball bringing up spidey and wolverine seeing as what they have both done to previous opponents as well as Thor.In a total slug fest no speed Thor is going to win.
With Speed in a forum fight Glads should win but Thor has thousands of showings vs Glads hundreds so far more to use for Thor.
Hell Thor's top showings beat Odin, that's how it is.
Thor has enough reaction and speed feats under his belt that it can be argued that he won't be overwhelmed by speedsters.
In a pure slug fest with equalized speed, Thor would WTF own Gladiator. With Gladiator operating at his normal speeds, it gets equalized to about even or a slight majority to Gladiator probably 6-7/10.
With the use of all their powers, Thor again wins the majority 7-8/10
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
Thor has enough reaction and speed feats under his belt that it can be argued that he won't be overwhelmed by speedsters.In a pure slug fest with equalized speed, Thor would WTF own Gladiator. With Gladiator operating at his normal speeds, it gets equalized to about even or a slight majority to Gladiator probably 6-7/10.
With the use of all their powers, Thor again wins the majority 7-8/10
Yeah that's what I said in my post.
Regardless ppl can argue all DAY long it doesn't change the fact Thor isn't a speedster he can handle them because he is powerful in general but speed isn't one of his powers for sure.
So good job you said what I said but you wanted to put an extra stand in for Thor, grats.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor slower than spidey or wolverine isn't PIS. Thor has a history of struggling against speed, you are making thor something he is not, a speedster by a collection of high end feats of reaction timing where he has low ends like not able to catch a car IIRC or a human stabbing him and saying "you move like a cloud". So he can cope with speed to an extent but he doesn't have lightspeed reflexes not even close. You can only think that only after declaring 90% of Thor's showing PIS.
Actually its you declaring 90% of his showings as PIS when you deny he has the reflexes to react the speedsters. According to you all his fights against Surfer, Gladiator, Quicksilver, Sentry, Hermes e.t.c e.t.c are all PIS! Oh wait they're all just high end feats right??! And yet Glads blitzing High Heralds is the Norm?
And stop low balling. You say Im using High end feats which apparently isnt allowed, and then you bring up Thor's lowest showings and say we should accept that as the Norm??!
Saying Thor has a history of struggling with speed is complete Bull. From his early showing he's always been able to deflect bullets. Does that sound like struggling with Speed??!
And are you really denying the Thor fights where he cant hit Spidey or Wolverine are total PIS, or at the very least CIS??! If Thor wanted he could just Lightning strike them no problem.
I never said Thor is an actual "speedster" however, so stop putting words in my mouth. I never said he can punch a million times a second, or run at lightspeeds.
What I have said is what comics have shown us, that he has the reflexes and reaction time to react to speedsters. And that when he does react to them he has the versatility and powerset to hit them, especially with Mjolnir.
If you deny this then show me an instance where Thor couldn't hit a speedster, could not even react to one, and just got completely blitz. Show me an instance or just shut it because Im getting fed up of repeating this argument and the Thor haters putting words in my mouth.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Likewise here, Thor digs a trench in a blur of motion that is "almost too fast for the human eye to follow." From Marvel Team-Up #26:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed10MarvelTeam-Up26.jpg
Yeah being a slow poke to spidey or wolverine is definetely PIS. This shows how fast Thor can physically move. And this is just physical movement.
He can fly and spin Mjolnir at Lightspeeds. And he has been shown to fight while flying at those speeds as well.
So again comparing him to Spiderman or Wolverine is frankly quite retarded. They will have decent showings against him and other Hight Heralds simply because they are the Batmen of the MU in what they can accomplish.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Actually its you declaring 90% of his showings as PIS when you deny he has the reflexes to react the speedsters. According to you all his fights against Surfer, Gladiator, Quicksilver, Sentry, Hermes e.t.c e.t.c are all PIS! Oh wait they're all just high end feats right??! And yet Glads blitzing High Heralds is the Norm?And stop low balling. You say Im using High end feats which apparently isnt allowed, and then you bring up Thor's lowest showings and say we should accept that as the Norm??!
Saying Thor has a history of struggling with speed is complete Bull. From his early showing he's always been able to deflect bullets. Does that sound like struggling with Speed??!
And are you really denying the Thor fights where he cant hit Spidey or Wolverine are total PIS, or at the very least CIS??! If Thor wanted he could just Lightning strike them no problem.
I never said Thor is an actual "speedster" however, so stop putting words in my mouth. I never said he can punch a million times a second, or run at lightspeeds.
What I have said is what comics have shown us, that he has the reflexes and reaction time to react to speedsters. And that when he does react to them he has the versatility and powerset to hit them, especially with Mjolnir.
If you deny this then show me an instance where Thor couldn't hit a speedster, could not even react to one, and just got completely blitz. Show me an instance or just shut it because Im getting fed up of repeating this argument and the Thor haters putting words in my mouth.
Mongoose overwhelmed him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So why did you say this then?Haha.. I read that.. It was funny..
Well it is a comic fight in that we base what they can do and how they can handle opponents based on whats happened in comics. We just cant low ball due to PIS showings. Which is what people are doing here when they bring up Thor being slower than Spidey and Wolverine. (Who are both the Batmen of the MU in what they can accomplish anyway).
What I am saying is "Thor doesn't have the body movement Gladiator and Supes have". That doesn't mean that Thor can't tag them.
Example...Superman never showed the body movement Goku as a Teen showed during a fight but that doesn't mean Superman cant tag him (even though I think its debatable that he could).
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah being a slow poke to spidey or wolverine is definetely PIS. This shows how fast Thor can physically move. And this is just physical movement.
That is hardly the case seeing as both spiderman and wolverine have FAR more speed feats then Thor, it's more in their character to use speed then Thor.
