Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ha, I forgot too.Thor wins by default. Gladiator would break himself trying to hurt the Odinson with his measly planetary level attacks. What can one purple alien do to someone who withstands blasts from Celestials at their best?
Pr should definitely close this for spite.
Originally posted by carver9As for this thread...when I see Thor fighting like this...then I will agree he could keep up with people like Supes and Gladiator.
Just for clarification, you think Thor could not keep up with people like Supes or Glads due to their speed, and yet you believe Hulk can????
Just trying to make sense of your stance Carver, because im having serious trouble understanding it!
Originally posted by Enzeru
It's a difference if you can think, react and move at super high velocities, or if you only have strenght and because of that strenght you can move your arm fast in 360° or something what Thor would do when he would be spinning Mjolnir.[b]Spider-Man's and Wolverines speed > Thor, LOL!
Oh my, yes oh my, entertain me with a weird reply to this one, "DARTH POWER". [/B]
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes Enzeru thats clearly slower than Spiderman and Wolverine. The rest of your post was as much garbage as the line Iv just quoted.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Shit, I almost forgot this is a slugfest anyway with Gladiator's speed reduced to Thor's, so whatever advantage Kallark did have is gone now. He literally has nothing on Thor per these stipulations.
Oh yeah! Lol I forgot that as well. Got distracted by all the bull crap talk of Glads speed blitzing Thor to end him. This really is a spite thread!!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes Enzeru thats clearly slower than Spiderman and Wolverine. The rest of your post was as much garbage as the line Iv just quoted.
Are you freaking kidding me? What are these scans supposed to prove?
They show Thor flying fast in a straight line, WOW! I know that he can reach lightspeed thanks to Mjolnir, but that's not the point.
Other characters can reach that speed without Mjolnir and can react and act at such speeds, while Thor can not. That's the entire point of the battle right now.
And no, Thor is not faster then Spider-Man, probably not even faster then Wolverine but I would have to search more to find out about that one.
When it comes in traveling from point A to point B, then yeah - he wins that one for sure, THANKS TO MJOLNIR, which is doing the trick in every single scan you posted. Without Mjolnir or even with Mjolnir Thor is nothing in close combat, when it comes to a damn high amount of speed.
What do you think why Superman beats Hulk in every single thread? Because he is so much faster then the Hulk. He would be able to dodge everything the Hulk would throw at him, because Superman has the powerset to move much faster then Thor and Hulk.
The same reason always applies in every single Thor VS Superman thread. Supermans "only" advantage would his speed, but the speed can often grant a comic book character the win *cough* Flash ...
And there is also a giant difference in speed between Gladiator and Thor.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Are you freaking kidding me? What are these scans supposed to prove?
They show Thor flying fast in a straight line, WOW! I know that he can reach lightspeed thanks to Mjolnir, but that's not the point.
Yeah because Spiderman and Wolverine constantly outfly and dodge the Silver Surfer right?!
He wasn't just randomly flying in a straight line just to get somewhere like you seem to be claiming.. He was fighting. He was attacking Surfer and Galactus, and Surfer for all his super speed could not stop him.
Again Thor can fly at super speeds (with Mjolnir). Proven.
He can attack and react while flying at those speeds. Proven.
He can react to a speedster. Proven.
After reacting to a speedster he can react in a number of ways:
Instantly swinging Mjolnir at incredible speeds, while shooting omnidirectional Lightning blasts from it just to name one. Proven.
Thor even when being overwhelmed can react and blast away with his Lightning (even without Mjolnir). Proven.
When Hulk can do any of the above, then you can compare a Supes vs Hulk to a Thor vs Gladiator thread.
In the meantime if you keep insisting that Thor is not fast enough to even fight the likes of Surfer and Gladiator even after Rage has posted the scans showing you to your face, then I will have to resort to messaging a Moderator that you're just Trolling me now.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ha, I forgot too.Thor wins by default. Gladiator would break himself trying to hurt the Odinson with his measly planetary level attacks. What can one purple alien do to someone who withstands blasts from Celestials at their best?
Pr should definitely close this for spite.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor at his best tanks attacks from Skyfathers and beyond. WTF is Gladiator going to do to him? Lol at "planet shattering" punches. It's easily the only feat of Gladiator's that his supporters try to cling on to as justification for him beating Thor. First of all, that feat is garbage as we don't know what kind of mass said "planet" had nor its size. It was a giant phucking space rock that Gladiator styled on. Big freakin' deal. Grey Hulk broke a planet sized asteroid and he'd get dominated by Thor, let alone Thor at his best if we want to play that game.Gladiator hasn't displayed any combat speed or relevant close quarters abilities that place him overwhelmingly over Thor's best feats. He can fly really fast in a straight path. So can Thor.
No, you're wrong and comics support Thor being > Gladiator on average. Thor's >>> Gladiator at his absolute best.
Because Thor has the ability to attack and counter attack even while being staggered? Because Thor has feats justifying him not being at Gladiator's mercy? Because Thor already beat the shit out of Gladiator and Gladiator-like enemies? And, yeah, you have to show this combo-to-ko bullshit you like to tout. Your entire strategy and reasoning for virtually every thread hinges on that theory and you never can back it up by on panel evidence. Instead, you arbitrarily throw numbers and math around like it means something (it doesn't) and cite a bunch of random feats displaying speed, assemble them together like an awkward puzzle, and then attempt to justify your stance. It doesn't work that way. You think Gladiator is too fast for Thor and can combo-to-ko him without Thor ever hitting him back? Well, the burden is on you to show Gladiator using his speed in such a fashion and successfully beating or coming close to beating someone with Thor's power level, abilities, and feats. I already know nothing like that exists outside of a time displaced Gladiator trying to scrape together every single advantage possible against Thor and still getting his shit kicked in decisively once Thor got mad. It's getting really tiring as you basically ignore the comics, cite whatever you don't like as PIS, and show a staggering lack of knowledge on what Thor, in this case, is capable of.
So, comics are chockfull of PIS moments and jobbing? And this somehow applies only to Gladiator...how? Thor outfought and out thought Quicksilver, who's now approaching lightspeed in Marvel. And it's not the first time he's humiliated someone "faster" than him. Get over it. Also, get your facts straightened out, please. Thor can do exotic things very fast. He's instantly discharged huge blasts of energy, instantly summoned weather effects, dropped thunderbolts, etc. Thor sometimes goes into lengthy speeches because his dialogue is a heavy focal point of the character; the guy has some of the most boisterous and epic lines in comicdom. Doesn't mean he has to do all that shit. And by your own example, they'd fall under "comics doing stupid things". You can't very well attribute every time a speedster fails to PIS and jobbing and then turn around and act like Thor doesn't suffer from that and that he doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt of just doing whatever the hell you want. Shit, it's not so much the fact that you completely overrate the hell out of speed to a degree that no writer would ever agree with most of your outcomes, it's the fact that you literally are making up shit. Thor can't launch the hammer at incredible speeds without "winding up"? Not only is that grossly inaccurate, but that's borderline trolling, intentional or not. He can't summon lightning before Gladiator hits him? Based on what? And Gladiator can throw millions of punches in the span of three seconds? Prove it with actual feats or on panel evidence. Show me a single instance of Gladiator doing so or even alluding that he can. Hell, even statements would be better than nothing. Don't throw around your calculations like they mean something. Put up or shut up, h1. Seriously.
Bullshit. Thor's been attacked from multiple directions and while attacked was still cognitive enough to unleash multi-directional lightning. Thor can still spin and throw Mjolnir while being attacked and hit. I've heard of the combo to ko, just like everyone else here, and it doesn't exist in comics.
If you want to seriously argue Gladiator here, cite issue numbers and on panel feats to prove your point. Making shit up about him and presenting misinformation about Thor doesn't help your case. At all. I think your problem is that you're trying to apply real world physics, math, science, and logic to characters that frankly, shit all over them (especially Thor). Whether you do this purely for the academic draw to it, which is commendable, or you do this because you heavily disagree with comics or whatever is beyond me, but you're basically making shit up that's never happened in the pages of a comic, never has been alluded to or hinted at in comics, and is so far out of the realm of possibility that it's not even worth seriously debating.
jawdrop Damn, Jake putting the smash down and showing some anger?! Is that really you Jake lol?
In fairness to Glads, he does have some pretty cool nano second type reflexive feats and such. Not just straight path stuff. I think -at least in terms of portrayal- its pretty clear that Glads is the faster of the two. But that fact is also rendered meaningless as per the stipulations of this thread.
First...I want people to realize that even though I think Gladiator and Supes is faster than Thor....they are by no means unhittable. Thor can hit them just as many times as theyll hit Thor. Consistent showings doesn't portray them as untouchable beings.
Like I have always stated, I would give Thor a healthy majority against both but if they used their speed in a CISless style, I would still give Thor the majority but it'll be like 6 or 7/10. His chances become slimmer.
Originally posted by carver9
First...I want people to realize that even though I think Gladiator and Supes is faster than Thor....they are by no means unhittable. Thor can hit them just as many times as theyll hit Thor. Consistent showings doesn't portray them as untouchable beings.Like I have always stated, I would give Thor a healthy majority against both but if they used their speed in a CISless style, I would still give Thor the majority but it'll be like 6 or 7/10. His chances become slimmer.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, just went to comicvine and damn they owned carver. They are DC biased but seeing carver raging and saying things like dc hercules nearly koing superman or wwh taking jla solo was just too darn funny. I love that site and their view on hulk. durhulk
Got a link? I am interested in reading their views too!
Originally posted by dmills
jawdrop Damn, Jake putting the smash down and showing some anger?! Is that really you Jake lol?In fairness to Glads, he does have some pretty cool nano second type reflexive feats and such. Not just straight path stuff. I think -at least in terms of portrayal- its pretty clear that Glads is the faster of the two. But that fact is also rendered meaningless as per the stipulations of this thread.
There's only so much nonsense even I can put up with.
The whole speed thing is one thing; I have no problems with the idea of speed being an advantage over Thor as it has shown to be an edge in the past. But pretending that it's insurmountable for him while at the same time making shit up is ridiculous. And it's not like this is the first time, either.
