Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor has better durability feats, though. And not just because he has more appearances. At Bill's best he's equal to Thor. At Thor's best, he's above Bill. A blow from Mjolnir trumps Gladiator.
Thor and Bill are roughly equals...their fights against each other is proof of this.
It depends on what type of blows. Using the fights that Gladiator and Thor has had against the same hero's and Villians, Gladiator hits has done more damage.
Originally posted by carver9To be fair, Masterson took a beating and kept on trucking. Gladiator's strength was not completely overwhelming since they squared off pretty evenly in a mercy contest. Gladiator's speed was not completely overwhelming since Eric quickly countered it.
Masterson got curbed. Using that fight as any type of indication on what would go on between Glads and Thor is aiding Gladiator 100%.
Had Masterson fainted from exhaustion/exertion after using Gladiator's face as a pinata, then I would agree that Gladiator overwhelmed him. But in that fight, it was Eric's amateurish skills that were definitely keeping him back. But not far back enough that he couldn't swing things arounds with a single opening. And that speaks to his pure physicality which, as a starting point, prevented him from being overwhelmed outright in spite of the bungling. I think that's Rage.Of.Olympus' point.
Originally posted by carver9
Masterson couldn't handle a punch. Gladiator hits was hurting him and hurting him badly at that.Gladiator blitzed him though and continued to blitz him until Masterson body went limp.
Except he did just that. No one's denying that Masterson can be a pussy or wasn't hurt. Unfortunately that doesn't prove as much as you'd like. Ulik's first blow had Masterson hurting worse than Gladiator IIRC and later on he took a hit from him in stride. Like I said before, Masterson's biggest problem was the lack of confidence and experience.
Are you referring to his last few attacks? That wasn't a blitz. He tried using speed, that failed, and then he went ham. Ferocity and being a warrior was winning that confrontation, not a speed advantage.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor and Bill are roughly equals...their fights against each other is proof of this.It depends on what type of blows. Using the fights that Gladiator and Thor has had against the same hero's and Villians, Gladiator hits has done more damage.
Roughly equals until Thor kicks it up a notch that Bill can't match.
No, Thor's striking power has done more significant damage to actual characters more so than Gladiator has. Thor's damaged Celestials and has endured blasts from them alike, which is beyond what Glads has done.
Arguably, Thor is pound for pound the most powerful herald in Marvel (you can make an argument for Surfer, obviously). Gladiator being a rung or two below him isn't a terrible thing by any means.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
To be fair, Masterson took a beating and kept on trucking. Gladiator's strength was not completely overwhelming since they squared off pretty evenly in a mercy contest. Gladiator's speed was not completely overwhelming since Eric quickly countered it.Had Masterson fainted from exhaustion/exertion after using Gladiator's face as a pinata, then I would agree that Gladiator overwhelmed him. But in that fight, it was Eric's amateurish skills that were definitely keeping him back. But not far back enough that he couldn't swing things arounds with a single opening. And that speaks to his pure physicality which, as a starting point, prevented him from being overwhelmed outright in spite of the bungling. I think that's Rage.Of.Olympus' point.
Pretty much.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAnd that, is pretty much it in a nutshell. As I said before. Glads is the Mike Tyson of comicdom. Big, strong, fast and scary... For 5 rounds. Not 12.Are you referring to his last few attacks? That wasn't a blitz. He tried using speed, that failed, and then he went ham. Ferocity and being a warrior was winning that confrontation, not a speed advantage.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Roughly equals until Thor kicks it up a notch that Bill can't match.No, Thor's striking power has done more significant damage to actual characters more so than Gladiator has. Thor's damaged Celestials and has endured blasts from them alike, which is beyond what Glads has done.
Thor used his power belt wrapped around his hammer to do the damage to the celestial (and broke his hammer essentially.) This is unarmed so not even relevant to the conversation.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Roughly equals until Thor kicks it up a notch that Bill can't match.No, Thor's striking power has done more significant damage to actual characters more so than Gladiator has. Thor's damaged Celestials and has endured blasts from them alike, which is beyond what Glads has done.
Arguably, Thor is pound for pound the most powerful herald in Marvel (you can make an argument for Surfer, obviously). Gladiator being a rung or two below him isn't a terrible thing by any means.
Thor has the best fts out of basically any Herald but if we use consistent showings, he isnt above them. I'm referring to consistent showings and consistently, Glads is physically above Thor IMO.
Originally posted by snowdragon
Thor used his power belt wrapped around his hammer to do the damage to the celestial (and broke his hammer essentially.) This is unarmed so not even relevant to the conversation.
Except it is.
Thor tanking multiple Celestial blasts shit on anything Gladiator did. Thor enduring a psychotic Odin/Infinity for as long as he did is beyond Gladiator's best durability feats.
If someone wants to compare durability/damage soak feats, by all means, we can. Gladiator's "planet busting" strike is the only thing that makes this debatable, and even then, Thor has the feats to warrant him beating Gladiator.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor has the best fts out of basically any Herald but if we use consistent showings, he isnt above them. I'm referring to consistent showings and consistently, Glads is physically above Thor IMO.
Consistently, Thor has a history of being able to go to levels that one or maybe two beings can match in terms of Marvel Heralds. Gladiator is not one of them.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Consistently, Thor has a history of being able to go to levels that one or maybe two beings can match in terms of Marvel Heralds. Gladiator is not one of them.
Right, Thor has a huge history with tons of showings. He's a "hero" and overcomes obstacles which generally gives him better showings plus he always has the PIS Godblast or Odin power to fall back on.
Gladiator tends to be more villianous and because of that and less showings and gets PIS thrown all over him kinda like the wolverine stabbing him. I did want to add Gladiator did go toe to toe with Supreme in a crossover but not sure if that was canon.
Either way due to showings Thor wins.
Based off what the characters are I would give it to Gladiator.
Forum fight though Thor gets the win.
Originally posted by snowdragon
Right, Thor has a huge history with tons of showings. He's a "hero" and overcomes obstacles which generally gives him better showings plus he always has the PIS Godblast or Odin power to fall back on.Gladiator tends to be more villianous and because of that and less showings and gets PIS thrown all over him kinda like the wolverine stabbing him.
Either way due to showings Thor wins.
Based off what the characters are I would give it to Gladiator.
Forum fight though Thor gets the win.
I don't really use the Godblast when debating for Thor. He's only used it a seldom few times, and there's really no reason to consider it a majority of the time in a forum battle unless they're some extenuating circumstances. And Thor doesn't have the Odinforce anymore.
Gladiator having less showings and being the bad guy or antagonist doesn't make him less impressive. If he was meant to be _______ powerful, then he would have be.
Based on showings and who the characters are alike, Thor would win. Though, I'm curious: what about Gladiator's character makes you think he should win?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Consistently, Thor has a history of being able to go to levels that one or maybe two beings can match in terms of Marvel Heralds. Gladiator is not one of them.
Thor has the best showings out of any Herald, not just Marvels. That doesn't put him above his peers though.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor has the best fts out of basically any Herald but if we use consistent showings, he isnt above them. I'm referring to consistent showings and consistently, Glads is physically above Thor IMO.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor has the best showings out of any Herald, not just Marvels. That doesn't put him above his peers though.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on showings and who the characters are alike, Thor would win. Though, I'm curious: what about Gladiator's character makes you think he should win?
He is a more ruthless kinda guy most times in fights.
I would dispute with you some of the showings of gladiator that are terribad like punching capt america's shield till he loses confidence then gets knocked out or the recent wolverine stabbing but like I said he has a different role in comics then thor and is usually played down.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor has the best showings out of any Herald, not just Marvels. That doesn't put him above his peers though.
That is debatable.
I'd argue that Superman has feats and plenty of them to compete with Thor. And while I don't agree he clearly blows Thor out of the water (if at all) in an overall feat war, you'd be hard pressed to argue he's not at least Thor's equal in those terms.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That is debatable.I'd argue that Superman has feats and plenty of them to compete with Thor. And while I don't agree he clearly blows Thor out of the water (if at all) in an overall feat war, you'd be hard pressed to argue he's not at least Thor's equal in those terms.
I disagree. Taking on high tier beings, without any type of amp and beating them, it is well known for Thor. No one can match it.