Originally posted by Korto VosIt's just the ring here. The fires of Mount Doom is a plot device which doesn't take into account other fictional universe's or their items of power. Do you think the saber can successfully do so or do you believe they aren't as powerful as the fires of Mount Doom.
The Ring can only be undone in the fires of Mount Doom... 😕A lightsaber can cut the Ring of Power from Sauron's hand, however.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's just the ring here. The fires of Mount Doom is a plot device which doesn't take into account other fictional universe's or their items of power. Do you think the saber can successfully do so or do you believe they aren't as powerful as the fires of Mount Doom.
Normal fires couldn't even make the Ring of Power hot.
A lightsaber won't be able to slice the One Ring in half.
Korto is correct.
All a lightsaber is is a plasma blade. Basically, something that is between 2000-15,000 F
It's contained in a "force field".
Based on that, the fact that a fire doesn't even make the ring hot, compound that with the last fact that it was forged in a magical volcano, and it is the most powerful artifact in the second and third age; no, a lightsaber definitely will not cut the ring. Only the place from which it was forged can dissolve the ring...due to magic.
"But...teh no limetz fowelsee!" Magic that is said to only be able to be undone by magic can only be undone by magic especially when we clearly see that that is the case. Invoking the no limits fallacy would be comitting the limits fallacy in this particular example.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't think its because of magic. Its because nothing except a volcano would be hot enough.In fact, since when was Mt. Doom a 'magical volcano?'
Yes, the volcano is magic.
Didn't you read Fellowship of the Ring?
Here:
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Mount_Doom
And, do you honestly think that there was only one volcano on all of middle earth?
Yes. Gandalf said Ancalagon the Black could breathe fire hot enough to destroy it. I'm gonna go with heat being the issue, not the correct application of magic molten rock.
A lightsaber could generate enough heat upon contact to cut through it. If heat's the only issue. If it's an issue of magic then... the f*ck's the point of asking?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't think its because of magic. Its because nothing except a volcano would be hot enough.In fact, since when was Mt. Doom a 'magical volcano?'
Well, if you bring the books into this, it was directly stated that in the entirety of all that was in Middle Earth evar, only Mount Doom could destroy the ring, not even Ancalagon the Black (The most powerful dragon to ever live) could not harm the One Ring with his fire.
Even without that though, I doubt a lightsaber could harm the Ring. Everyone is pretty adamant on the fact that the One Ring could only be destroy by the fires of Mount Doom, probably due to some magical crap about how it was forged from there.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yes. Gandalf said Ancalagon the Black could breathe fire hot enough to destroy it. I'm gonna go with heat being the issue, not the correct application of magic molten rock.
"It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself."
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, the volcano is magic.Didn't you read Fellowship of the Ring?
Here:
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Mount_Doom
And, do you honestly think that there was only one volcano on all of middle earth?
Movies only. Wikis don't count.
Point out another volcano.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Was talking about the regular Rings of Power, of which no dragon was left that could melt them. The statement quite clearly states that even these dragons could not melt, or even harm The One Ring.
And you automatically assume a dragons fire is hotter than a lightsaber because..... ?
Originally posted by FinalAnswerHow DARE you provide sourced evidence to correct me!
"It has been said that dragon-fire could melt and consume the Rings of Power, but there is not now any dragon left on earth in which the old fire is hot enough; nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring, the Ruling Ring, for that was made by Sauron himself."
Woah...woah...woooahhh....
Wait a minute...
Let's be clear that the rings of power are not the One Ring. The rings of power COULD be destroyed by some powerful dragon breathe. But NOT the one ring. It's not a question of "heat" for the one ring. It is only a question of magic, for the one ring. Let's also be clear the dragons were magical creatures created by Melkor: it's likely that the breathe can destroy them because the breathe is ALSO magical. There are also some that believe the dragons are similar to Balrogs: corrupted Maiar.
The reason the One Ring cannot be destroyed but by the magical "fires" of Mount Doom are spelled out for us, quite clearly: Only the One Ring was made by Sauron himself. He made a horcrux....I mean poured some of his soul/essence into the ring. It was forged WITH the magical "fires" of Mount Doom. So only those magical fires could destroy it. The other rings were forged by the Elves with some having instruction from Sauron (did anyone read the Silmarillion?)
As far as I know...only one ring has had a Maiar's soul/essense poured into it: The One Ring. There's a pretty logical reason for why it can't be destroyed but by the very "thing" that made it: a Maiar's soul is immortal and inextinguishable by anything in Ea. I would assume that since Sauron forged the ring with something magical in Ea...only that magical thing could undo it...meaning, he corrupted that portion of his soul by diluting it with "Ea" stuff.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Movies only. Wikis don't count.Point out another volcano.
This is a question that cannot be answered by movies only. If you go by the movies, "Only" Mount Doom can destroy it. You don't want it to be that way, right? 😄
Hell no: you do it. You're the one making the claim that the problem was heat, only heat was needed, and only Mount Doom had the heat to accomplish it. Your claim, you back it up. That's fairly simple.