Indeed. A missed because Naruto outran him. vin
Originally posted by King Kandy
What? He is a good match up for Bee for the same reason he would be a good match up for Mito. He does better the more chakra his opponent has.For instance, Killer Bee?
He is a good match up for her as well. I don't think he'd beat her based on the power of the mode.
Fullspeed A.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
regardless, kisame doesn't need it to take care of her even with the best feats of another applied to her. it's simply not enough added strength/offense to assume she could pose serious harm to kisame of all people: the tank of akatsuki.
Uh, it totally is. Kisame's not all that hard to hurt (though he takes a lot of hurting to stop), Killerbee blew his torso open. The problem is he regenerates and absorbs chakra attacks.
Kakuzu's the armored tank, Kisame's the big ball of hitpoints.
naruto hasn't shown any real moves with the K-cloak to say he'd steamroll kisame (without rasengan, etc)
Do a buncha clones, occupy Samehada (just have, say, one of them grab on to that arm), and then he could rip Kisame apart.
The physical stats he has are plenty against Kisame. A, likewise, would do very well against Kisame. Take away Samehada and A'd win for sure, keep Samehada and I'd still give A a good shot.
Originally posted by King Kandy
So you are telling me you think the incomplete mode is better than Bee's full power form?Would be slower than Bee at full power.
Well based on feats, yeah. The only thing that puts Bee's full power above the mode Naruto has is the Bijuu ball and partial transformation(to a degree). And the fact that he doesn't have to worry about losing chakra. Since Bee didn't use the Bijuu ball on Kisame, it's fairly irrelevant.
Bee at full power would be the Hachibi. Which doesn't seem to be very fast. 313
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel1. He's one of the fastest characters in the entire series, of course it is.
Reacting to A isn't very hard.Well I don't see it. Bee is stronger, for sure, but I've never seen A go fullspeed against him. 😛
Of course, Mito has Naruto's mode. Which outran fullspeed A. awesome
Before you say "BUT SASUKE DID IT D: " Sasuke is also one of the fastest characters in the series, and even if Mito has the mode, for all we know she doesn't have the speed Naruto has.
2. Are you implying he held back against Bee? Since by A's own admission, Bee surpassed him... At base.
3. Fallacious logic. Even if she has the mode, it doesn't automatically give her speed greater than A... And Naruto barely outsped A.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well based on feats, yeah. The only thing that puts Bee's full power above the mode Naruto has is the Bijuu ball and partial transformation(to a degree).
Indeed. Naruto's ability to make clones each at S-class level seems a good deal more useful than turning into a full Biju, with the exception of situations where the Biju Ball's raw destructive power is needed.
It may simply be a difference in the biju's strength.
NemeBro3. Fallacious logic. Even if she has the mode, it doesn't automatically give her speed greater than A... And Naruto barely outsped A.
Also agreed. Still, whatever the precise stats, she's going to be very fast.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. He's one of the fastest characters in the entire series, of course it is.Before you say "BUT SASUKE DID IT D: " Sasuke is also one of the fastest characters in the series, and even if Mito has the mode, for all we know she doesn't have the speed Naruto has.
2. Are you implying he held back against Bee? Since by A's own admission, Bee surpassed him... At base.
3. Fallacious logic. Even if she has the mode, it doesn't automatically give her speed greater than A... And Naruto barely outsped A.
1. Kay. Suigetsu did it. Juugo did it. They are not as fast as Sasuke, nor do they have his sharingan advantages. However, A at fullspeed is faster than all 3.
2. His Lariat is better, this is undeniable. However, only 2 shinobi have ever dodged A at his fullspeed. Naruto and Minato.
3. Considering their mode comes from the same source and moving at such speeds is instinctive, not a stretch to assume she has such speed.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel1. They clearly are in fact very fast. Though I can't recall A going all-out against them.
1. Kay. Suigetsu did it. Juugo did it. They are not as fast as Sasuke, nor do they have his sharingan advantages. However, A at fullspeed is faster than all 3.2. His Lariat is better, this is undeniable. However, only 2 shinobi have ever dodged A at his fullspeed. Naruto and Minato.
3. Considering their mode comes from the same source and moving at such speeds is instinctive, not a stretch to assume she has such speed.
Actually... I can't recall A going all-out against Naruto. Since, you know, he wasn't in his vaguely SSJ-esque form when Naruto dodged his attack.
2. He reacted to A's attack and brought up one of his own. That requires speed.
3. Prove it is instictive? IIRC it's pretty strongly implied the reason for Naruto's insane speed is him descending from Minato. Yellow flash indeed.
Also, for the life of me I can't remember, when is it said that Mito has this mode?
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. They clearly are in fact very fast. Though I can't recall A going all-out against them.Actually... I can't recall A going all-out against Naruto. Since, you know, he wasn't in his vaguely SSJ-esque form when Naruto dodged his attack.
2. He reacted to A's attack and brought up one of his own. That requires speed.
3. Prove it is instictive? IIRC it's pretty strongly implied the reason for Naruto's insane speed is him descending from Minato. Yellow flash indeed.
Also, for the life of me I can't remember, when is it said that Mito has this mode?
1. I don't recall A ever going at fullspeed against Bee.
Max power, top speed punch. A at his fastest is not as fast as Naruto at his fastest.
2. Not fullspeed. Nor did he go at Bee with the intent to kill. Merely knock him out with his Lariat.
3. Does it immediately. Got stuck cause he is not accustomed to moving at such speeds.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v58/c545/1.html
Naruto senses hostility in that mode, Mito can sense hostility. Since both are Kyuubi hosts and both could sense hostility, Mito certainly had that mode.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, this is true. In his case because it's hard to guess the *upper* bounds! SS+, SSS-, SSS, would all be reasonable.I certainly wouldn't think to argue he's *weak* due to his lack of page time ^^
SSS. It's what I've said from the beginning of this ranking thing, which iirc, I got rolling BTW. 😛
Originally posted by Q99
Uh, it totally is. Kisame's not all that hard to hurt (though he takes a lot of hurting to stop), Killerbee blew his torso open. The problem is he regenerates and absorbs chakra attacks.
And every attack Mito's going to make against Kisame will not be a chakra attack? Outside of sealing jutsu, chakra claws and her physical attacks will all have chakra in them, and will all be absorbed by Samehada.
Really, her sealing jutsu are the only reason I'd think of giving her the win, and even then, we don't know what she can do (outside of possibly using the Yin seal).
We can't say she's as fast as Naruto, we can't say she can use Shadow Clones or would think of using them in that form. Heck, we can't say she had the exact same mode (she would have had something similar to Bee when he first subdued the Hachibi), since Naruto has just the Yang chakra of the Kyuubi, and is clearly linked to the Sage of the Six Paths above & beyond his blood-line. Mito had both Yin & Yang.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
This was originally thought to be some kind of battlezone thing apparently.And I don't really consider her above Bee. Above Kisame, who just happens to be a good match up for someone like Bee. Anyone with speed comparable to A though would be a bad match up for someone like Kisame.
Assuming Naruto's speed in that mode is entirely due to the Kyuubi's chakra, and not his base speed (which is actually rather fast; see Naruto rescuing Sakura from Sasuke in a lulzy stance) being amped by the chakra as one would expect.
Really, Mito does not have the speed Naruto has, not unless her base speed is faster than Naruto's, which cannot be determined.
She is above Kisame as far as rankings go, but he can beat her.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelA calls himself the fastest shinobi alive. Bee doesn't disagree with this. Bee, in Bijuu mode(version 1 anyway), was not fast enough to hit Sasuke without a surprise attack(or his unorthodox sword fighting methods). A outright blitzed him.
By circling him. Sasuke had no trouble following his movements until A got behind his visual range.
Usually, they tend to attack from the front. That was the only moment of intelligence we saw from A.
And every attack Mito's going to make against Kisame will not be a chakra attack? Outside of sealing jutsu, chakra claws and her physical attacks will all have chakra in them, and will all be absorbed by Samehada.
I was thinking of damaging Kisame himself there. No doubt that absorption is his best defense, but attacks that aren't hit by Samehada can do a lot of damage.
My idea on Samehada is simply attack him with multiple clones at once. One holds off Samehada, the others remove the arm holding it from the body.
Also, Samehada has a limit- only 6 tails worth at a time.
We can't say she's as fast as Naruto, we can't say she can use Shadow Clones or would think of using them in that form.
We can say she's certainly very fast. While individual users might have some variance in stats, it is certainly the case that KCM itself is what gives the speed; every cloak/tailed form gives a speed boost, really, all the way down to ol' 1-tail cloak mode.
Shadow Clones is an incredibly common jutsu that almost everyone either has or has a counterpart of. Think to use 'em, maybe, but it seems a fairly straitforward tactic.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Assuming Naruto's speed in that mode is entirely due to the Kyuubi's chakra, and not his base speed (which is actually rather fast; see Naruto rescuing Sakura from Sasuke in a lulzy stance) being amped by the chakra as one would expect.Really, Mito does not have the speed Naruto has, not unless her base speed is faster than Naruto's, which cannot be determined.
She is above Kisame as far as rankings go, but he can beat her.
By circling him. Sasuke had no trouble following his movements until A got behind his visual range.
Usually, they tend to attack from the front. That was the only moment of intelligence we saw from A.
He only moves at such speed while in that mode. And during the Sasuke example, I was always under the impression he was using the last bit of Sage chakra he had left.
...She has the same source of power he does. If she is not as fast as Naruto, she'd certainly be up there.
Indeed. But he could also lose to her.
Except when he dodged his Amaterasu. 😛
Well...he figured out Minato's FTG.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He only moves at such speed while in that mode. And during the Sasuke example, I was always under the impression he was using the last bit of Sage chakra he had left....She has the same source of power he does. If she is not as fast as Naruto, she'd certainly be up there.
Indeed. But he could also lose to her.
Except when he dodged his Amaterasu. 😛
Well...he figured out Minato's FTG.
I don't think he was. Didn't see any eye markings disappearing.
Both Lee & Guy can use Gates. Doesn't mean they'd be at the same level of speed if they both opened the same number of gates.
Sure, she'd be very fast, but using Naruto's speed (especially his dodging of A's punch) to justify her's is ridiculous.
F*** no...I never said otherwise. 😛
Nah, Sasuke was able to follow him when he was dodging Amaterasu 😛. He just couldn't follow A once A went behind, simply because he couldn't turn his neck that way in time.
He probably had previous intel. The others knew of the markings.
Originally posted by Q99
I was thinking of damaging Kisame himself there. No doubt that absorption is his best defense, but attacks that aren't hit by Samehada can do a lot of damage.My idea on Samehada is simply attack him with multiple clones at once. One holds off Samehada, the others remove the arm holding it from the body.
Also, Samehada has a limit- only 6 tails worth at a time.
Ahh, okay. In which case, they'd have to be massively powerful attacks. In a weakened state he took a full speed KCM Naruto punch, and while winded, it didn't slow him down.
One holds off Samehada? That clone will just have its chakra absorbed if its not careful, and I'd wager Kisame is a lot stronger than a KCM clone.
Wouldn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things, not when it can hold a lot more than just 6 tails worth of chakra.
Originally posted by Q99
We can say she's certainly very fast. While individual users might have some variance in stats, it is certainly the case that KCM itself is what gives the speed; every cloak/tailed form gives a speed boost, really, all the way down to ol' 1-tail cloak mode.Shadow Clones is an incredibly common jutsu that almost everyone either has or has a counterpart of. Think to use 'em, maybe, but it seems a fairly straitforward tactic.
Right, there is a massive speed boost, but to what extent we do not know. Naruto is fast in his base mode. Unless you know Mito's base speed, you cannot tell how fast she would be. For all we know, she could be faster, but that cannot be proven. At best, we can say she is very fast, and I'd agree, but KCM Naruto fast? Nah.
A supposedly incredibly common jutsu that sees almost no common usage in high level shinobi, with the exception of Kakashi, Itachi (Crow Clones, not Shadow Clones) & Naruto (only one whose entire style from day one has been based on Mass Multiple Clone spam).
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I don't think he was. Didn't see any eye markings disappearing.Both Lee & Guy can use Gates. Doesn't mean they'd be at the same level of speed if they both opened the same number of gates.
Sure, she'd be very fast, but using Naruto's speed (especially his dodging of A's punch) to justify her's is ridiculous.Nah, Sasuke was able to follow him when he was dodging Amaterasu 😛. He just couldn't follow A once A went behind, simply because he couldn't turn his neck that way in time.
He had it before he got there. 😛
Well the Gates do not work in the same way as the Kyuubi Mode. One is something that all humans have, like a heart. The other is something different in the case of Mito(who had full Kyuubi) and Naruto(who only has half). Now assuming the Kyuubi Mode increases the physical states of someone(and I don't), let's say Naruto has a speed of 3.5(Databook). Square(pulled out of arse) that and his speed would be 12.25. Now we assume Mito is very slow, like 2. Double square that(since she has twice the Kyuubi as Naruto) and she'd be faster actually. vin
Considering it is a tech that requires you look at them, nah. 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He had it before he got there. 😛Well the Gates do not work in the same way as the Kyuubi Mode. One is something that all humans have, like a heart. The other is something different in the case of Mito(who had full Kyuubi) and Naruto(who only has half). Now assuming the Kyuubi Mode increases the physical states of someone(and I don't), let's say Naruto has a speed of 3.5(Databook). Square(pulled out of arse) that and his speed would be 12.25. Now we assume Mito is very slow, like 2. Double square that(since she has twice the Kyuubi as Naruto) and she'd be faster actually. vin
Considering it is a tech that requires you look at them, nah. 😛
Doesn't mean he had it when he got there. 😛
Gates amp one's base speed, as does KCM IMO. So even if they are different, they both do not raise one's speed to a set level, they simply amp one's speed by a certain level.
What a load of BS. 😛 Thus you agree that Mito < Naruto in speed. vin
Considering A was behind Sasuke when he 'blitzed' him, yah. 😛