Originally posted by peejayd
* Logan may have several [b]years or even decades of experience in combat... but it's practically nothing when it will be compared to Thor's eons of combat experience... Thor takes this... 🙂 [/B]
Originally posted by wildernesss
that's nice. too bad this thread is about a completely, totally, utterly, depowered mortal thor.out of curiosity, how did that "sort of depowered" thor PIS feat turn out?
and wolverine is also a completely totallym utterly, depowred mortal logan. no enhanced speed, agility, hearing, smell etc.
He's just a 5'2" little man going up against a 6'6" huge ass man.
logan loses, badly. end story.
Originally posted by peejayd
* Logan may have several [b]years or even decades of experience in combat... but it's practically nothing when it will be compared to Thor's eons of combat experience... Thor takes this... 🙂 [/B]
lol, you're kidding right? for all of thor's much vaunted eons of combat experience, his actual on panel course of action 99% of the time is to smash his opponent with his hammer or brawl in a crude & incredibly simplistice manner; when that fails, he often relies on his hammer's more esoteric abilities. he hardly ever, ever demonstrates any kind of advanced fighting or ma skills outside of rare sparring panels which aren't reflected by his current combative behaviour whatsoever; if anything, those skills would rationally atrophy since their almost never applied to actual combat.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
and wolverine is also a completely totallym utterly, depowred mortal logan. no enhanced speed, agility, hearing, smell etc.He's just a 5'2" little man going up against a 6'6" huge ass man.
logan loses, badly. end story.
end story? your story is Fail.
did you even read what a totally depowered & adamantium poisoned logan was able to do against mr sinister? does mortal thor have any feat that even comes close to this? No. do you realize that logan (with or without his powers) is one of the best (if not THE best) MA fighters in the MU? do you realize that bone claws logan & a momentarily (for this fight)
depowered logan would have the same strength levels? that means enough strength to grapple & beat down a fully powered sabretooth without using his claws & without taking any damage. fully powered victor creed would totally own a fully mortal thor in terms of strength.
Originally posted by jalek moye
So what you mean to say is. Wolverine (with all his super speed, strength, and senses) vs Thor in the body of a regular big guy?
lolz. did you even bother to read my previous post?
logan's fighting skills, depowered pain threshold/damage soak (against guys like mister sinister) would remain intact regardless of being depowered. thor was screaming in pain when he fought logan...which doesn't speak well to his pain threshold verses the aforementioned logan feat. logan's strength would also remain close to (if not somewhat diminished) to the levels he had when he grappled with sabretooth with no metal skeleton.
Frank castle (who is obviously without any powers whatsoever) regularly grapples & fights with a fully powered, adamantium wolverine. often fighting logan to a stalemate using h2h alone. a logan who has defeated the grey hulk & owned sabretooth in h2h. the power/strength disparity between frank castle & a fully powered adamantium wolverine is greater than the strength/power disparity between a depowered logan & thor. wolverine is way stronger than frank. has frank lifted a car over his head? no. yet, the frank castle feats against logan seems to be more acceptable? why? why is it so hard to beleive that skill & pain threshold combined with sufficient strength can give a depowered logan the edge over a depowered thor? in the somewhat similar way frank castle is able to contend with a fully powered adamantium logan. albeit only to a stalemate.
Originally posted by cdtm
Wow, Logan struggles with Punisher h2h? Danny Rand, Castle ain't, or even Daredevil.Thor stomps.
wtf. lolz...........
punisher routintely fights matt murdock to a standstill even more often than he does logan. he also &%*% daredevil up along the course of those fights & comes within an inch of winning.
he's only fought logan purely h2h 2 or 3 times, & couldn't even inflict minor damage on logan. logan usually ends up pinning frank down & telling him to give it a rest. it's a very loose "stalemate". logan could end it with his claws. fortunately for frank, it's h2h alone.
Originally posted by wildernesss
logan's fighting skills, depowered pain threshold/damage soak (against guys like mister sinister) would remain intact regardless of being depowered. thor was screaming in pain when he fought logan...which doesn't speak well to his pain threshold verses the aforementioned logan feat.
Logan cried out in pain when -insert character- punched him in the face. Thor had his entire skeletal system turned brittle, eventually most of his bones shattered, and he walked around in constant agony. This doesn't speak very well for Logan's pain threshold.
How can you honestly think that this line of reasoning would stand up to any scrutiny?
Originally posted by wildernesss
end story? your story is Fail.did you even read what a totally depowered & adamantium poisoned logan was able to do against mr sinister? does mortal thor have any feat that even comes close to this? No. do you realize that logan (with or without his powers) is one of the best (if not THE best) MA fighters in the MU? do you realize that bone claws logan & a momentarily (for this fight)
depowered logan would have the same strength levels? that means enough strength to grapple & beat down a fully powered sabretooth without using his claws & without taking any damage. fully powered victor creed would totally own a fully mortal thor in terms of strength.
Logan has the same strength level as here as he did as Bone Claw? He clearly had beyond human level stats.
Lawlz, is it really that important to you for people to give Logan the win? Does it give you a funny feeling in the no-no place?
If you want to restrict the characters, make it fair, otherwise I'm referencing all of Thor's feats when depowered, completely mortal or not. And no, I don't give a shit that you're the thread starter.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It'll be worse.His muscles would be so used to having the healing factor take care of the lactic acid, that hell try to jump around Thor...then start panting with exhaustion.
Without his agility, speed and strength, he's nerfed much more than Thor is in hth.
Hardly, THor with zero powers would have a much harder time with fatigue based on his size then wolverine would with no healing factor.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
No powers?Wolverine would gas from a huge like Thor grappling with him.
If Thor grappled with Wolverine he'd get taken down and subbed or gnp pretty quickly. He just isn't skilled enough to be competitive, and honestly the way Wolverine is drawn half the time like he is a 5'3 mini Hulk there probably isn't a significant weight difference between the two in the first place.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Thor grappled with Wolverine he'd get taken down and subbed or gnp pretty quickly. He just isn't skilled enough to be competitive, and honestly the way Wolverine is drawn half the time like he is a 5'3 mini Hulk there probably isn't a significant weight difference between the two in the first place.
IIRC, w/o Adamantium, Wolverine weighs around 195....Thor weighs around 640.
That is a 445lb difference.