The What If version of Michael Korvac vs Thanos, Lord Mar-vell, and Void...

Originally posted by zopzop

A) Order and Chaos even said
there are OTHER UNIVERSES WITH THEIR OWN
ORDER AND CHAOS. Do you get that?

Uhm btw, your caps aren't changing anything,
especially not the on panel verbatim I just posted.

Here, let me show you again:

Originally posted by Mr Master

Anyway yea, the abstracts of the other realities were still around, but for whatever "What If" reason,
Korvac stomped the greatest powers of the Multiverse at the time! (excluding the LT)

"The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"

You don't like it, write Gruenwald a letter and complain.

Or take it for what it is, a ... "What If" ... which is a playground for writers .

It's a "What if" dude, I'm not even taking this debate seriously,
I'm only trying to make you realize the pointlessness of it by countering your claims with facts from the book.

Originally posted by zopzop

The events in that What if were not multiversal in scope.
So when he nullified that universe it had NO baring to any other universe
or abstract outside that particular reality.
The LT even said that he was sealing that universe off from the rest of the multiverse
so it's madness doesn't spread.
They couldn't have made it more clear,
it was not a multiversal event.

Because you reply to sh*t I never said or even implied via allusion.

Go find my post where I claimed Korvac affected anything outside his Reality.

Do me a favor, pay attention, or cease from this lesson.

Originally posted by zopzop

B) Sym stated that they sealed off their What If dimension from godly and demonic realms and I quote "The same spell which seals off this DIMENSION....."

Neither Sym, Madelyne or anyone for that matter
ever stated that fallacy anywhere in the story.

Sym only said, "outer dimensional forces"

And yes,
Sym said "the spell that cuts off this dimension" .... (a single statement)
but its funny cause the entire story from beginning to end dealt with a barrier around the planet Earth only:

"the mystic barriers with which Sym/Madelyne have surrounded the Earth"

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In fact, the Limbo portal had converged with planet Earth alone:

"The doorway between Earth and the Dimension of demons"

"to open a rift between Earth and Limbo"

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This is why Dr Strange knew this would bring the LT who will destroy Planet Earth,
or the Universe if need be.

"with Earth's plane so unbalance due to its convergence with Limbo"

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The Limbo rift on its own, was only on Planet Earth, and was only affecting Planet Earth.

"could be Earth's last hope" ... "using it to save Earth, by purging the Planet"

"The Planet's only hope"

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This is why the Phoenix came to Planet Earth to purge it: (btw, the barrier didn't even slow it down)

"it heads towards Earth"

"Phoenix energy spreads, until the entire World is covered"

"The LT senses the mystic balance is restored, the Planet Earth will survive"

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This should seal the coffin as they say:

"the rest of the Planet has been restored ... much of Earth's population ... "

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The whole story was contained within the Planet Earth,
the whole dilemma never went past a planetary scale,
and only the Earth needed to be purged since only the Earth was tampered with a barrier and a rift.

In fact,
the ONLY time that Universe may have been in danger
was when Madelyne and then Mordo took control of the Phoenix,
although they both got killed easily even with the power.

Other than that, only Reed and Doom were gonna take it to the next level.

Sym & Madelyne, heh, nada.

Originally posted by zopzop

C) By the very fact that 616 Korvac went to great lengths to hide from other cosmics
especially Eternity and was angry when the Avengers confronted him and thus
he was exposed and Eternity was made aware of his presence,
this happened BEFORE his suicide scene.
If What If Korav's reality really was 100% exact until the suicide event
then why didn't Eternity in What IF KOravac acknowledge Korvac and vise versa?
Because the universes were NOT 100% identical till that scene.

Do me a favor, pay attention, or cease from this lesson.

Fasle!

Neither Sym, Madelyne or anyone for that matter
ever stated that fallacy anywhere in the story.

Sym only said, "outer dimensional forces"

And yes,
Sym said "the spell that cuts off this dimension" .... (a single statement)
but its funny cause the entire story from beginning to end dealt with a barrier around the planet Earth only:

"the mystic barriers with which Sym/Madelyne have surrounded the [b]Earth"

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In fact, the Limbo portal had converged with planet Earth alone:

"The doorway between Earth and the Dimension of demons"

"to open a rift between Earth and Limbo"

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This is why Dr Strange knew this would bring the LT who will destroy Planet Earth,
or the Universe if need be.

"with Earth's plane so unbalance due to its convergence with Limbo"

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The Limbo rift on its own, was only on Planet Earth, and was only affecting Planet Earth.

"could be Earth's last hope" ... "using it to save Earth, by purging the Planet"

"The Planet's only hope"

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This is why the Phoenix came to Planet Earth to purge it: (btw, the barrier didn't even slow it down)

"it heads towards Earth"

"Phoenix energy spreads, until the entire World is covered"

"The LT senses the mystic balance is restored, the Planet Earth will survive"

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This should seal the coffin as they say:

"the rest of the Planet has been restored ... much of Earth's population ... "

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The whole story was contained within the Planet Earth,
the whole dilemma never went past a planetary scale,
and only the Earth needed to be purged since only the Earth was tampered with a barrier and a rift.

In fact,
the ONLY time that Universe may have been in danger
was when Madelyne and then Mordo took control of the Phoenix,
although they both got killed easily even with the power.

Other than that, only Reed and Doom were gonna take it to the next level.

Sym & Madelyne, heh, nada. [/B]

😆

From your OWN scan, Earth's PLANE. Understand now? Their universe was unbalanced because of the Inferno effect and the SOURCE of that imbalance was the planet Earth.

Sym and Madelyne's barrier sealed off their PLANE of existence from OUTSIDE dimensional forces. The PF was ALREADY in their universe (says as much on panel) and wouldn't be affected by that barrier at all.

The reason the LT wanted to destroy the Earth was because that was the source of the imbalance, EXACTLY like what occurred in What If Korvac. The LT wanted to destroy that Earth because the source of the imbalance, Korvac, was there. The LT didn't attempt to destroy the What If Korvac universe, so according to your "logic" the disturbance never made it passed Earth? 🙄

Originally posted by Mr Master
facepalm

Irony.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Who said otherwise?

Uhm btw, your caps aren't changing anything,
especially not the on panel verbatim I just posted.

Here, let me show you again:

See, you're the one that's placing all your cards on the reliability of a "What if,"
you're trying to use sensible logic to defy the crap that's written here, and it's not gonna work.

It's a "What if" dude, I'm not even taking this debate seriously,
I'm only trying to make you realize the pointlessness of it by countering your claims with facts from the book.

That's another thing, dude, are you reading my posts or skimming through them?

Because you reply to sh*t I never said or even implied via allusion.

Go find my post where I claimed Korvac affected anything outside his Reality.

It couldn't have been "multiversal" in scope because it was all limited to a SINGLE universe? Is that so hard to understand? What's even more laughable is those "multiversal" powers he defeated (all of them confined to a SINGLE universe), how do they compare power wise to their 616 counterparts? He defeated and absorbed them yet :
a) couldn't destroy a universe under his own power and resorted to using the UN
b) couldn't deal with a space armada under his own power and had to restort to threatening them with the UN
c) didn't even register as a threat to Eternity (he didn't acknowledge Korvac the ENTIRE issue, in total contradiction to 616 reality) till he fired off the UN.

🙄

Originally posted by zopzop

From your OWN scan, Earth's PLANE. Understand now?

Their universe was unbalanced because of the Inferno effect
and the SOURCE of that imbalance was the planet Earth.

You got one thing right,
space-time on Planet Earth was shifting the "Plane's" mystic balance out of balance.

But the barrier was was confined to Planet Earth as well:

"the mystic barriers with which Sym/Madelyne have "surrounded the Earth"

WHY?

Well, because the rift between Limbo & that "What If" dimension was literally on Planet Earth:

"The doorway between Earth and the Dimension of demons"

"to open a rift between Earth and Limbo"

Originally posted by zopzop

Sym and Madelyne's barrier sealed off their PLANE of existence from OUTSIDE dimensional forces.

Thought I forgot? I know you ignored it, when I called you out on it,
even though you do respond to things I never said, which is weird.

Well anyway, False to that to.

They're entire reality wasn't sealed off,
it's clearly stated On Panel [u]several times (look right above) it was ONLY the Earth[/u].

++ You wanna argue a "What IF" from 1982 this is what it leads to ++

Originally posted by zopzop

The reason the LT wanted to destroy the Earth was because that was the source of the imbalance, EXACTLY like what occurred in What If Korvac. The LT wanted to destroy that Earth because the source of the imbalance, Korvac, was there.

The LT didn't attempt to destroy the What If Korvac universe, so according to your "logic" the disturbance never made it passed Earth?

This Mystical barrier that "surrounded the Earth" as stated on panel,
was protecting the tear in Space-Time (the Rift) to stay open so again demons could come in.

That's it, simple and put.

Now ...

The you're right, the LT came to Earth because that was the source of the imbalance.

But that has NOTHING to with why the LT didn't destroy the "What If" Korvac universe.

The LT came to the Korvac universe to judge Korvac, not the universe he happened to be in.

Then again,
just look at how stupid that is too when he decided to attack Korvac indirectly,
with some cheesy display that Nova can replicate,
instead of simply erasing that universe under his power
just how he was able to rip it from the Mutliverse and seal it.

"What If's for the most part ~~~~> facepalm

Originally posted by zopzop

It couldn't have been "multiversal" in scope because it was all limited to a SINGLE universe?

Is that so hard to understand?

I never said the story was beyond Korvac's universe, I told you this already.

Is that so hard to understand?

Perhaps you misunderstood me when I said Korvac defeated "multiversal powers."

Well, I clarified that to verbatim as to what the WRITER himself said:

"The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"

So again, you don't like it, write Gruenwald a letter and complain
about why this "What If" from 1982 didn't fit your rigid standards of how the comic world should be. 🙂

Because I'm sorry, but according to this "What If" story,
Korvac was defeating the most powerful cosmic assembly
in the history of the Multiverse up to that point.

Does it make sense that besides the LT,
they were the universal Cosmics of this diverged/alternate reality?

No.

But you wanna engage a "What If" from 1982
& reply with laughing smilies like you're making sense,
so lets have fun & proceed amusing me.

Originally posted by zopzop

What's even more laughable is those "multiversal" powers he defeated
(all of them confined to a SINGLE universe),
how do they compare power wise to their 616 counterparts?
He defeated and absorbed them yet :
a) couldn't destroy a universe under his own power and resorted to using the UN
b) couldn't deal with a space armada under his own power and had to restort to threatening them with the UN c) didn't even register as a threat to Eternity (he didn't acknowledge Korvac the ENTIRE issue, in total contradiction to 616 reality) till he fired off the UN.

"What If" you stopped trying to make sense out of these "What ifs" from the early 80's?

Take em for what they are.

I have a "What If" where the Black Panther's mother beats up a Marvel Writer,
cause he isn't giving him good stories,
and therefore isn't selling much comics in the real world.
The Writer terrified gives in and the Black Panther starts tearing shit up 4th Wall style.

Should we now say the Black Panther of Earth-XXXX is above TOAA cause he controls him? 😬

Heck we can get really crazy and discuss classic She-Hulk,
truly the most powerful being ever.

But do I accept that as seriousness to integrate in a debate, nah,
only for comedy of course or to brunt the Mxy 4th wall nonsense.
And yet, She-Hulk's joint was across 60 Canon titles.

So my point is, we're dealing with comics, fictionalized realities
that have to adhere to a certain contextual substance if they wanna sell them,
mostly this is going to force PIS no matter the brains behind the pencil,
especially in the Cosmic department.

We just have to do our best to stitch things up
and filter out the inconsistencies the best we can.

Anyway, peace and love. stoned

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A point of interest concerning Sym saying "this dimension"
when referring solely to Planet Earth.

Imo according to the facts at hand and Marvel cosmology as known to me:

When Sym/Madelyne erected that barrier around Planet Earth
it became a pocket dimension cutting off outer forces with insufficient power to pass.

It should of been termed "pocket" dimension imo but hey, 1982, "What If" ... meh, I'll let it pass.

Anyway just how now Counter-Earth (Franklin's pocket-verse/dimension)
is the size of Planet Earth as well
and actually is located invisibly on the other side of the sun,
this is because although it's the size of a Planet,
it occupies it's own space-time cut off from the space surrounding it,
like a "barrier" coincidentally.

Incidentally it's no surprise this can happen apparently pocket-dimensions
can shift in out of their parent universe,
by using Counter-Earth again as the ie. ... Doom with tech moved it
from one location somewhere 616 to the other side of the sun.

So when the Sym/Madelyne "What If" Earth barrier was purged by Phoenix,
space-time along with the Earth of course was returned to normalcy as the Watcher said.

That's my take on the matter and imo it makes sense out of the senseless.

++ Now on:

Korvac not being able to wipe out the universe under his own power.
Korvac not being more powerful than every being in the Universe.

This has no explanation except good ol PIS,
or the writer enjoying his freedom in a "What if" story. 🙂

Responding like this because your walls of text are hard to fit in one post -

Originally posted by Mr Master
False. ... I thought you stated "Sym said it was "gods & demons"? ...

Thought I forgot? I know you ignored it, when I called you out on it,
even though you do respond to things I never said, which is weird.

Well anyway, False to that to.

They're entire reality wasn't sealed off,
it's clearly stated On Panel several times (look right above) it was ONLY the Earth.

They sealed off that dimension from "outer dimensional forces". The PF getting to Earth was a non issue, since the PF was already in that universe when the whole fiasco started. And let's just say you are correct, that they formed a barrier ONLY around Earth that kept even beings already in that universe out. This doesn't come into play regarding the PF since a portion of it was ALREADY ON EARTH, it's HOST Rachel was already INSIDE the barrier. So it getting through isn't a failing of the barrier. A portion of it was already there!

Even ASSUMING your interpretation of the barrier is correct (it's not) ; that it was only around the Earth, what does that prove? NOTHING. Just because Dr. Strange/Jean/Surfer from What if Korvac couldn't get through Korvac's barrier but the PF managed to get through What If X-men Lost Infreno (Sym/Madelyne's) one, those are TWO different scenarios from TWO different ALTERNATE realities. We have no clue as to how powerful the respective characters were in relation to each other or their 616 counter parts. It's meaningless.

To add further fuel to the fire, Korvac panicked at the sight of the armada and threatened them with the UN. If he was so powerful why not wipe the armada using nothing but his own "omnipotent" power? A space armada punked Korvac but the LT and all the other cosmics couldn't? That alone should tell you something was VERY VERY wrong with the power levels of the cosmic hierarchy in that universe as compared to 616 reality.

The you're right, the LT came to Earth because that was the source of the imbalance.

But that has NOTHING to with why the LT didn't destroy the "What If" Korvac universe.

The LT came to the Korvac universe to judge Korvac, not the universe he happened to be in.

Then again,
just look at how stupid that is too when he decided to attack Korvac indirectly,
with some cheesy display that Nova can replicate,
instead of simply erasing that universe under his power
just how he was able to rip it from the Mutliverse and seal it.

But, he was causing UNIVERSAL imbalances. Look at what was going on with Order and Chaos, they were out of balance with Order dwarfing Chaos. A good number of universally important beings were also killed by Korvac. Yet he didnt' destroy the universe, he wanted to destroy the Earth, the source of all the commotion. Exactly like the What If X-men lost Inferno scenario.

"The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"

So again, you don't like it, write Gruenwald a letter and complain
about why this "What If" from 1982 didn't fit your rigid standards of how the comic world should be. smile

Because I'm sorry, but according to this "What If" story,
Korvac was defeating the most powerful cosmic assembly
in the history of the Multiverse up to that point.

Again, ALTERNATE reality versions of beings that we have NO CLUE as to how they compare to their 616 counterparts. I can show you alternate reality versions of Celestials WASTING TWO IG users and other alt reality versions being unable to subdue Ego without help from a mutant!

I wish you could argue this without obsessing over the armada scene, if only because it sounds as if your whole argument depended on that.

Originally posted by Bentley
I wish you could argue this without obsessing over the armada scene, if only because it sounds as if your whole argument depended on that.

But the armada scene plays a key role. You'll notice, that he sensed the skyfathers and other mystics trying to breach his barrier and was about to send the Avengers to deal with them, not even him personally, but his slaves, the Avengers............sent to deal.................with SKYFATHERS and other outer dimensional beings. That's how unconcerned he was about them (the skyfathers et al that were trying to breach his barrier).

Then, he senses the armada and drops that idea. He panics and drains the earth dry to go and deal with them. Yet with all that supposed power, he resorts to threatening them with the UN. There is no Eternity or any other power to drag into it as you and LoM were attempting to do, this is reinforced in the later What if where this reality was shown post nullification, he was addressing and panicking at the thought of dealing with the armada.

So going by that issue : alien armada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LT, other cosmics, skyfathers and other assorted mystic beings whose realms were blocked off by Korvac. Yet you want me to believe What if Korvac would beat 616 Thanos (Death Avatar)/Lord Mar-vell (Life Avatar)/Void? Hell no.

There was something SERIOUSLY OFF about the power levels of the cosmics and others in that reality.

Originally posted by zopzop
There is no Eternity or any other power to drag into it as you and LoM were attempting to do, this is reinforced in the later What if where this reality was shown post nullification, he was addressing and panicking at the thought of dealing with the armada.

But that very What If you're bringing in clarifies that Korvac didn't fear the armada, it strictly says that the damage the universe would suffer would ruin his goal.

Again, my problem of your argumentation is that to you this showing could easily set in stone the skewed powerlevels, while for a big number of reasons you could consider it PIS/CIS, and said things are confirmed by every source you can get (the What If by itself, the follow up What If, the Korvac saga). So I believe trying to make that showing about powerlevel is faulty reasoning -even if you shut down the Eternity/Death assumption-.

Originally posted by Bentley
But that very What If you're bringing in clarifies that Korvac didn't fear the armada, it strictly says that the damage the universe would suffer would ruin his goal.

What? Where did it say that? He feared the armada.

Repeated for clarity in the follow up to the original story :

The exact quote is "disheartened by the prospect of so staggering a war." He was scared of them. The Narration even says he "desperately" was accumulating power to go ahead and "face his final challenge", the freaking ARMADA. He even told them to back off or he'll use the nullifier. They ignored him and attacked and he whipped out the UN. Obviously he didn't fear "damaging' the universe when he went ahead and NULLIFIED it.

Again, my problem of your argumentation is that to you this showing could easily set in stone the skewed powerlevels, while for a big number of reasons you could consider it PIS/CIS, and said things are confirmed by every source you can get (the What If by itself, the follow up What If, the Korvac saga). So I believe trying to make that showing about powerlevel is faulty reasoning -even if you shut down the Eternity/Death assumption-.

You do realize, that in that VERY SAME issue, Korvac had no fear of the cosmics gathered against him, the skyfathers and other entities that inhabit adjacent realities that were blocked off by him and Carina, but dropped what he was doing and immediately confronted the armada as soon as he sensed them entering Earth's system. You can't deny this because it's right there on panel. How the hell can an alien armada pose a bigger threat than all the skyfathers and other powers and principalities that he blocked off Earth's dimension joining forces to break his barrier? He was going to send the freaking AVENGERS to deal with that! Yet he PERSONALLY saw to confronting the space armada. How the hell can you explain that away? This was even REINFORCED in a follow up to the story! I even PROVIDED you the scans.

Alien Armada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>LT and other cosmics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skyfathers and other powers and principalities in What If Korvac reality. I don't think it works that way in 616 reality.

Does disheartened sounds like he was scared to you? I may be french but that sounds more like he realized his failure and gave up -yet again- to his suicidal thoughts when he realized his dream couldn't be achieved. Korvac did his best to avoid a big confrontation, he isolated the armies of the skyfathers, he tried to pick on the cosmics secretly and one by one, but at the end none of that mattered because the living beings of the universe still raised against him. That changed the whole situation in more ways than just a powerlevel-focused one.

You're seeing this as a power issue, where clearly the armada managed to interfere with Korvac in a more drastical way than the entities managed until that point. The Watcher even goes there to beg him to go back to an isolated plan and to fleed to another galaxy, but the damage is done at that point as the conflict would happen. The plot is clearly defined in those scans, and fear of being overpowered does not satisfy such explanation.

Originally posted by Bentley
Does disheartened sounds like he was scared to you? I may be french but that sounds more like he realized his failure and gave up -yet again- to his suicidal thoughts when he realized his dream couldn't be achieved. Korvac did his best to avoid a big confrontation, he isolated the armies of the skyfathers, he tried to pick on the cosmics secretly and one by one, but at the end none of that mattered because the living beings of the universe still raised against him. That changed the whole situation in more ways than just a powerlevel-focused one.

You're seeing this as a power issue, where clearly the armada managed to interfere with Korvac in a more drastical way than the entities managed until that point. The Watcher even goes there to beg him to go back to an isolated plan and to fleed to another galaxy, but the damage is done at that point as the conflict would happen. The plot is clearly defined in those scans, and fear of being overpowered does not satisfy such explanation.

Bentley, no offense, but are you even READING the scans?
As soon as he senses the armada :

"I'M STRONG, STRONGER THAN ANY BEING IN THE UNIVERSE. BUT I'M NOT STRONGER THAN EVERY BEING IN THE UNIVERSE"

Then look what he does

"DESPERATELY KORVAC CONFISCATES EVERY AVAILABLE LIFE FORCE AVAILABLE TO HIM"

Why is he doing this?
"I GO NOW TO FACE MY FINAL CHALLENGE, I GO TO RELEASE MY HATE"

Then he warns them to back or he'll use the Nullifer -

"IF YOU DON"T DESIST IN YOUR ATTACK I SHALL....." He wouldn't have used the UN if they backed off but they ignored him and pressed their attack.

Proof here in the follow up

KORVAC BRANDISHED THE NULLIFIER AND THREATENED TO USE IT ON THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IF THEY DID NOT RETREAT. THEY KEPT ON AND KORVAC MADE GOOD HIS THREAT.

The freaking narration even describes him as desperate and the armada as his final challenge. He was so terrified he warned them to back off or he'll use the UN. Face it, in that reality he feared the damn space armada more than any other challenge he faced so far.

In that reality :
Space Armada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LT and cosmics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skyfathers. It don't work that way in 616.

What do you think that Korvac means by "I'm going to release my hate"? Do you think he means that he will NOT shoot the UN? Korvac is complaining during his rant that the universe has been denied of his gifts, and the powerup served him to use the UN in the next sequence.

But EVEN, if you think this is somewhat wrong, the space faring races have slaved the Celestials and destroyed the Universe on panel, which can be outside the realm of even the best cosmic feats out there. So...

Originally posted by Bentley
What do you think that Korvac means by "I'm going to release my hate"? Do you think he means that he will NOT shoot the UN? Korvac is complaining during his rant that the universe has been denied of his gifts, and the powerup served him to use the UN in the next sequence.

But EVEN, if you think this is somewhat wrong, the space faring races have slaved the Celestials and destroyed the Universe on panel, which can be outside the realm of even the best cosmic feats out there. So...

Dude, IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE ON PANEL. He threatened them to back or or he'd use the UN and the follow up story makes it CRYSTAL clear for those that had any doubts. They didn't back off and he fired off the UN. You can't have it both ways, first you say he wasn't scared of the armada, he just didn't want to damage the universe (contradicting what's on panel), then you say he intended to fire off the UN no matter what the armada did (hence "damaging" the universe anyway). Which is it?

PS do you notice something in this scan?

Look closely, do you see him now? 😄

Exactly like the final page in the comic said, for all those who doubt.

Originally posted by Bentley
I wish you could argue this without obsessing over the armada scene, if only because it sounds as if your whole argument depended on that.

Originally posted by zopzop

You do realize, that in that VERY SAME issue, Korvac had no fear of the cosmics gathered against him, the skyfathers and other entities that inhabit adjacent realities that were blocked off by him and Carina, but dropped what he was doing and immediately confronted the armada as soon as he sensed them entering Earth's system. You can't deny this because it's right there on panel. How the hell can an alien armada pose a bigger threat than all the skyfathers and other powers and principalities that he blocked off Earth's dimension joining forces to break his barrier? He was going to send the freaking AVENGERS to deal with that! Yet he PERSONALLY saw to confronting the space armada. How the hell can you explain that away? This was even REINFORCED in a follow up to the story! I even PROVIDED you the scans.

Alien Armada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>LT and other cosmics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skyfathers and other powers and principalities in What If Korvac reality. I don't think it works that way in 616 reality.

You do realize this a "What If" from 1982?

What If ============= bullshit and other What Ifs
=====================more bullshit and other stories
with the same principles like What If realities. I don't think should ingle with 616 debates.

Originally posted by Bentley
What do you think that Korvac means by "I'm going to release my hate"? Do you think he means that he will NOT shoot the UN? Korvac is complaining during his rant that the universe has been denied of his gifts, and the powerup served him to use the UN in the next sequence.