Originally posted by CogitoLt kills him in a forum fight just like Darkseid can bfr Doomsday in a forum fight despite not doing so in hunter prey. If you cannot understand this I feel for ya.
Then why did the LT, of which Death is a part, not kill him?Are you trying to say Thanos can do something LT cannot?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThanos easily defeated a cube being while being far less powerful than the avatar of death.
Thanos defeated an insane half Cube Being that had made itself vulnerable...Korvac defeated a full Cube Being, Arishem, and all the other Celestials on Earth [b]at the same time
...Once again, this version of Michael Korvac was able to protect himself from the LT; Thanos has nowhere near enough power to harm him solo... [/B]
Alternate versions aren't that impressive, honestly.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yup, because he didn't have the power to do it on his own. He couldn't down the armada or the universe without the UN.
Again, Korvac always holds back and craps on his on power, and while being manipulated by Death into busting the universe, you freely believe that's a true indication of his power level.
Wasn't it implied than when fighting the armada Korvac was truly facing Eternity anyways?
Originally posted by zopzop
Was it? Eternity didn't even acknowledge Koravc till he pulled the trigger, that's how far beneath him he was.
During the Korvac saga Michael mentions Eternity twice, arguing that it will send everything she has to fight him, then, Eternity is seen beaten as a result of the battle -Korvac didn't fire the UN against the armada, but against Eternity itself-. Then Death mentions that she plotted through Korvac against Eternity.
Originally posted by Bentley
During the Korvac saga Michael mentions Eternity twice, arguing that it will send everything she has to fight him, then, Eternity is seen beaten as a result of the battle -Korvac didn't fire the UN against the armada, but against Eternity itself-. Then Death mentions that she plotted through Korvac against Eternity.
That was because Korvac was using his cosmic awareness to get to know the entirety of the universe before firing off the UN. The UN requires an understanding of the object/person you want to nullify before you fire it off. Eternity wasn't even on his mind at first, it was the Armada. Only when he started using his CA to boost his understanding of his target (the universe he was about to destroy) did he see Eternity.
Originally posted by zopzop
That was because Korvac was using his cosmic awareness to get to know the entirety of the universe before firing off the UN. The UN requires an understanding of the object/person you want to nullify before you fire it off. Eternity wasn't even on his mind at first, it was the Armada. Only when he started using his CA to boost his understanding of his target (the universe he was about to destroy) did he see Eternity.
He already knew he was against every living being in the Universe before he wiped the Nullifier out -just a few panels after he detected the armada-, as I said, it is implied that he was fighting Eternity at that very point, just later it is revealed this to be the case -when he uses Cosmic Awareness-.
Originally posted by Bentley
He already knew he was against every living being in the Universe before he wiped the Nullifier out -just a few panels after he detected the armada-, as I said, it is implied that he was fighting Eternity at that very point, just later it is revealed this to be the case -when he uses Cosmic Awareness-.
No, he said something like, "I'm the most powerful being in this universe. I'm more powerful than any being in the universe but I'm not more powerful than every being in the universe". This after he drained everyone on Earth and says that he feels hate, "hate for an unrelenting universe".
Just as he says this "an armada from every star faring race in the universe appears". He panicked because he knew they were coming for him. Only when he started to use his CA, it's then that he senses Eternity. It's right there on panel.
Here he is addressing them (the ships of the armada) directly :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67610/1914358-page_37_super.jpg
He told them to desist in their attack or he'd use it. Why would he do that? Because he feared them.
Here he is finally discovering Eternity after using his cosmic awareness :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67610/1914359-page_38_super.jpg
The armada didn't back down and he panicked and lashed out with the UN.
Every being in the Universe already hints towards the suspicion of Eternity, and Korvac wiped out the UN with the explicit goal of destroying the Universe. This is linked with several mentions of Eternity during the Korvac saga.
If you read the CA feat, you'll notice that at no point Korvac "discovers" Eternity, he intended to attack on Eternity since the beginning, he was simply taking aim.
Originally posted by Bentley
Every being in the Universe already hints towards the suspicion of Eternity, and Korvac wiped out the UN with the explicit goal of destroying the Universe. This is linked with several mentions of Eternity during the Korvac saga.If you read the CA feat, you'll notice that at no point Korvac "discovers" Eternity, he intended to attack on Eternity since the beginning, he was simply taking aim.
It's right there on panel that he was addressing the armada comprised of every star faring race in the universe, that scene occurred literally RIGHT AFTER his "i'm more powerful" speech. It's further cemented by the fact that he needed to use the UN to threaten them and didn't even attempt to fight them off using his own power.
He didn't notice Eternity till after he was deep in though contemplating the universe with his CA. Again that's right there on panel. He made good on his threat to use the UN to destroy the universe because the armada didn't back off, as he was sensing the vastness of the universe and stuff he glimpses Eternity (and Death). Then he pulls the trigger.
He also said "the universe will pay for not letting my dream continue", he was already fixed in destroying the Universe when he realized it would oppose him until the end.
You said that he didn't notice Eternity but at no point the narration expresses surprise nor discovery when he sees Eternity, he was aiming at it -the entire universe- from the get to go. This is even mentioned during his speech.
Originally posted by Bentley
He also said "the universe will pay for not letting my dream continue", he was already fixed in destroying the Universe when he realized it would oppose him until the end.You said that he didn't notice Eternity but at no point the narration expresses surprise nor discovery when he sees Eternity, he was aiming at it -the entire universe- from the get to go. This is even mentioned during his speech.
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That was my perception as well; that Armada was simply a manifestation of Eternity coming after Korvac...
I think that it's pointless to debate on thanos and darkseid in vs forums. Both are characters who had a comics published to just retcon their low showings! Thanos fans would never admit that he would lose against any opponent. That's in built in the character itself, Thanos hasn't lost even once against anyone. So I just ignore all threads including him, not by any hate or anything mind you. He is just unbeatable in these forums.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I think that it's pointless to debate on thanos and darkseid in vs forums. Both are characters who had a comics published to just retcon their low showings! Thanos fans would never admit that he would lose against any opponent. That's in built in the character itself, Thanos hasn't lost even once against anyone. So I just ignore all threads including him, not by any hate or anything mind you. He is just unbeatable in these forums.
Thanos got beat up by Odin:
Originally posted by abhilegend
^But he never lost against odin.
Thats an opinion that not everyone agrees with...
In my opinion, bringing someone to their knees and allowing said opponent to rise (over the course of 7 panels; during which time Odin took no action against Thanos) is clearly a victory...
In my opinion, its no different than beating up your little brother; no matter how much more he wants afterwards, after you beat him into the ground you demostrated that he was no match for you...
Originally posted by Bentley
He also said "the universe will pay for not letting my dream continue", he was already fixed in destroying the Universe when he realized it would oppose him until the end.You said that he didn't notice Eternity but at no point the narration expresses surprise nor discovery when he sees Eternity, he was aiming at it -the entire universe- from the get to go. This is even mentioned during his speech.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
👆That was my perception as well; that Armada was simply a manifestation of Eternity coming after Korvac...
That's REALLY reading into the comic, something that wasn't there.
Here he is CLEARLY agitated by the coming of the armada :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/page35.jpg/
Then he panics and drains the planet and goes to challenge them, notice the narration "DESPERATELY Korvac...." :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/233/page36.jpg/
Then he tells them to back off or he'll use the UN, he's ADDRESSING the armada not Eternity (notice he doesn't threaten them with his own power but has to resort to using the UN :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67610/1914358-page_37_super.jpg
Then as he contemplates the universe, he FINALLY discovers Eternity (as the living embodiment of the Universe and he glimpses Death), then with full understanding of how the universe works(notice the scan says "AT LAST KORVAC BECOMES ONE WITH THE VERY UNIVERSE WITH THE SPIRIT OF ETERNITY"😉, he fires the UN :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67610/1914359-page_38_super.jpg
As you can see from ON PANEL EVIDENCE, he feared the armada (it even said he was "DESPERATE"😉, he had to resort to threatening them with the UN, he contemplates the universe THEN he discovers Eternity and glimpses Death, then after he understands how the universe works, he fires the UN.
I don't see how we're reading too much into this, as the Eternity intrusion is mentioned several times during the Korvac saga. The interpretation is backed by several on panel instances, including future depictions of the Korvac character and the very notion that Death influnce is better accounted by this explanation.
As I said it is hinted. If you're looking for something explicitly said, you won't find it, but the combat between Eternity and Death is as explicit as it comes.
Frankly, I'll go as far as to say that my solution is more simple and elegant.
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't see how we're reading too much into this, as the Eternity intrusion is mentioned several times during the Korvac saga. The interpretation is backed by several on panel instances, including future depictions of the Korvac character and the very notion that Death influnce is better accounted by this explanation.As I said it is hinted. If you're looking for something explicitly said, you won't find it, but the combat between Eternity and Death is as explicit as it comes.
Frankly, I'll go as far as to say that my solution is more simple and elegant.
Prior to Korvac sensing Eternity using his CA, where is it mentioned that Eternity is even AWARE of Korvac's presence and vise versa? Eternity wasn't even at the council of cosmics that met to deal with Korvac.
Fact is, Korvac sensed the armada entering Earth's system and panicked. It states so on panel. He addresses them and tells them to depart, not Eternity, he was speaking DIRECTLY to the ships that comprised the armada. He only finally saw Eternity and Death when he used his CA to contemplate the universe in it's entirety. It's right there on panel, I don't understand why this is so hard.
