Originally posted by zopzop
Thank you for the context. It looks like he startled him. What went on next page?
Agreed that "startled" is also the other word that I was thinking of describing that scene.This is what happened next.
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Originally posted by Igniz
Agreed that "startled" is also the other word that I was thinking of describing that scene.This is what happened next.http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/HercPunchesCK1.jpg?t=1303265421
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You rock! Thank you.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOdin did better than Thor. You trying to misconstrue the evidence is flat out lying. I expected better from you but your Thor love is apparently back.
Mjolnir is part of Thor's powerset, we can have separate discussions for a Mjolnirless Thor if you want. Do you finally admit Thor outperformed Skyfather level types in both dishing out and taking damage?No matter how much you deny it, the comic won't change. A more logic argument would be pointing out the extreme nature of the showing make it pretty much irrelevant for a standard Thor. Of course that won't even matter here as Zopzop never made any restrictions.
Not surprised. You talk so much shit but never back it up.
Odin did far better than Thor. Odin and Thor both didn't really do anything to significantly damage any Celestials.
I always back up my case while you usually concede to live to fight another day.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin did better than Thor. You trying to misconstrue the evidence is flat out lying. I expected better from you but your Thor love is apparently back.Odin did far better than Thor. Odin and Thor both didn't really do anything to significantly damage any Celestials.
I always back up my case while you usually concede to live to fight another day.
yeah, you always back up your case with false interpretations and maded up facts which are...wait for it...made up.
Is Rage bring up the Zeus fight again? Jesus. How many times does it need to be explained to you Rage.. HE WAS TRYING TO TEACH THOR A LESSON AND TEACH HIM A LESSON HE DID. That is exactly what happened and he did so with ease. What's worse is that he was clearly holding back, and still toying with Thor and treating him like a child. What you also seem to forget OR fail to mention was that time was operating like it usually does.. Thor didn't LAST FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME... Time wasn't being perceived the same.
Are you actually bring up Thor lasting LONGER against the celestials than Odin and Uni-mind :facepalm: So then, you're telling me Thor has better durability than Odin IN the destroyer? Please tell me you jest or were just trying to build up Thor a bit? No way does Thor have the durability of Odin nor near Odin in power. What you ALSO failed to mention was that Odin HAD the Celestials attention and ready for battle. Thor wasn't even perceived as ANY KIND OF THREAT to them. Huge difference and illustrates the difference in power. Thor not being one shot like Odin in the destroyer can be chalked up to PIS of close to the highest order. If Odin in the destroyer can be one shot.. and Zuras and the entire Eternals in Uni-Mind can be one shot... Trust me, Thor would be one shot with even greater ease if it wasn't for PIS.
On the fight at hand... People also forgot to mention that Lord M cast a spell that was going to kill ALL the heralds if it wasn't shielded against. That alone, is pretty impressive. Can Thor give a Trans level character a fight.. sure... In his comic can he win.. sure. On this forum does he win more times than not without PIS and CIS.. NO
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@zopzopWhat would Lord Mar-vell tier in your honest opinion?
Elite Trans Tier (without amping). As the Avatar of Life, he was backed by unbelievable power. It took a pissed off Death to down him and his masters and even then they didn't die, they just went dormant.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin did better than Thor. You trying to misconstrue the evidence is flat out lying. I expected better from you but your Thor love is apparently back.Odin did far better than Thor. Odin and Thor both didn't really do anything to significantly damage any Celestials.
I always back up my case while you usually concede to live to fight another day.
I'm trying to misconstrue the evidence and I'm lying?
Odin, Vishnu, and Zeus were ineffective:
The Uni-Mind (The entire Eternal race, the equivalent of all Olympus) was one shotted.
Thor actually put some kind of a fight as futile as it was:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials1.jpg
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According to you Odin did far better than Thor but I'm the lying one? Unless you're discussing the Odin Destroyer which is an entirely different beast, then you have no ground to stand on.
Argue it's PIS, an extreme high end showing, even try and downplay it by arguing the Celestials used less power against Thor specifically. Don't outright deny and claim the exact opposite of what occurred on panel. The former arguments are all more valid than this trolling.
Then let's have a battle zone since you can so easily back up your case.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Is Rage bring up the Zeus fight again? Jesus. How many times does it need to be explained to you Rage.. HE WAS TRYING TO TEACH THOR A LESSON AND TEACH HIM A LESSON HE DID. That is exactly what happened and he did so with ease. What's worse is that he was clearly holding back, and still toying with Thor and treating him like a child. What you also seem to forget OR fail to mention was that time was operating like it usually does.. Thor didn't LAST FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME... Time wasn't being perceived the same.
I didn't bring it up initially but it is being discussed. The only thing you've ever taught me is that the American educational system has failed you miserably.
Zeus stated (Early into the fight actually) that his bolts were not meant to slay Thor. That's where the line is drawn and you can't infer anymore. Zeus wasn't toying with Thor and it wasn't with any amount of ease, that implies that he could have easily made Thor submit. That obviously wasn't the case.
For the Lord of Olympus, this was a matter of pride and respect, Thor pissed him off. He wanted to beat the Odinson, whether through an admission or perhaps a knock out:
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"Still, I can make thee wish for that Twilight of Northern Gods, if thou dost continue to thwart me."
"HAH! Tis thee that hath been brough down today, not Almighty Zeus!"
"And all the while the wrathful Zeus doth rant and rage at the Northborn God of Thunder......"
"Verily not all the titans together e'er resisted me so strongly in the days when the cosmos was young--Nor all the Gods of Olympus when they would have toppled me headlong from my Throne!"
Teach him a lesson? Let's not make it seem as if this was some sly attempt at making Thor realize the error of his ways. His intent was to batter him until he cried uncle, he just wasn't going into it with the intent to kill. What's your definition of a good amount of time? Due to the power being unleashed, the searing pain that Zeus/Thor felt was that of a moment in comparison to the months that passed, they were warping time. The length is definitely worth noting, if I were to guess, I'd say to them it could be measure in hours.
Anyone else find it funny that this is a Thanos fan who's claimed Odin vs. Thanos was an inconclusive stalemate in the past?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are you actually bring up Thor lasting LONGER against the celestials than Odin and Uni-mind :facepalm: So then, you're telling me Thor has better durability than Odin IN the destroyer? Please tell me you jest or were just trying to build up Thor a bit? No way does Thor have the durability of Odin nor near Odin in power.
I'm not telling you anything other than what happened on panel, stop trying to put words in my mouth. I don't think Thor is superior to the entire Eternal race or Odin but that doesn't change what happened on panel. Zopzop never specified that I had to stick to averages.
It should be noted that the God Blast can easily be an Odin level attack.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What you ALSO failed to mention was that Odin HAD the Celestials attention and ready for battle. Thor wasn't even perceived as ANY KIND OF THREAT to them. Huge difference and illustrates the difference in power. Thor not being one shot like Odin in the destroyer can be chalked up to PIS of close to the highest order. If Odin in the destroyer can be one shot.. and Zuras and the entire Eternals in Uni-Mind can be one shot... Trust me, Thor would be one shot with even greater ease if it wasn't for PIS.
What? First of all, neither were considered as any real threat, you don't know what you're talking about. Secondly, explain to me how your logic takes away from what Thor did, as flawed as it is?
I didn't leave out anything, as a matter of fact I posted the scans of the event. Don't start making accusations without any grounds.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't bring it up initially but it is being discussed. The only thing you've ever taught me is that the American educational system has failed you miserably.Zeus stated (Early into the fight actually) that his bolts were not meant to slay Thor. That's where the line is drawn and you can't infer anymore. Zeus wasn't toying with Thor and it wasn't with any amount of ease, that implies that he could have easily made Thor submit. That obviously wasn't the case.
For the Lord of Olympus, this was a matter of pride and respect, Thor pissed him off. He wanted to beat the Odinson, whether through an admission or perhaps a knock out:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus3.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus7.jpg"Still, I can make thee wish for that Twilight of Northern Gods, if thou dost continue to thwart me."
"HAH! Tis thee that hath been brough down today, not Almighty Zeus!"
"And all the while the wrathful Zeus doth rant and rage at the Northborn God of Thunder......"
"Verily not all the titans together e'er resisted me so strongly in the days when the cosmos was young--Nor all the Gods of Olympus when they would have toppled me headlong from my Throne!"
Teach him a lesson? Let's not make it seem as if this was some sly attempt at making Thor realize the error of his ways. His intent was to batter him until he cried uncle, he just wasn't going into it with the intent to kill. What's your definition of a good amount of time? Due to the power being unleashed, the searing pain that Zeus/Thor felt was that of a moment in comparison to the months that passed, they were warping time. The length is definitely worth noting, if I were to guess, I'd say to them it could be measure in hours.
Anyone else find it funny that this is a Thanos fan who's claimed Odin vs. Thanos was an inconclusive stalemate in the past?
I'm not telling you anything other than what happened on panel, stop trying to put words in my mouth. I don't think Thor is superior to the entire Eternal race or Odin but that doesn't change what happened on panel. Zopzop never specified that I had to stick to averages.
It should be noted that the God Blast can easily be an Odin level attack.
What? First of all, neither were considered as any real threat, you don't know what you're talking about. Secondly, explain to me how your logic takes away from what Thor did, as flawed as it is?
I didn't leave out anything, as a matter of fact I posted the scans of the event. Don't start making accusations without any grounds.
I'm unclear about the distinction you are making here Rage. Besides being inept at making an argument, it seems objectivity is just as lacking. Lets look at he facts shall we....
Zeus made a disclaimer saying he wasn't trying to kill Thor. Now what can we gather from that? That zeus wasn't going all out, and his blasts were weaker than what they could be. There is no inference needed, those are the facts. Now, what can we take from that.. That if it was THAT easy for Zeus to deal with Thor while holding back, it would be even easier to put him down had he not been holding back. There is no two ways about it what transpired in that "fight".. Zeus dealt with Thor with ease.
Now my question to you is do you disagree with my assertion that Zeus dealt with Thor easily and he was no threat to Zeus what so ever?
Do you disagree that had Zeus not been holding back he could've dealt with Thor even easier than he already did?
It amazes me that having Thor paper nuts in your mouth means I have to walk you through basic concession. Yet, that appears to be exactly what I need to do.
Next, are you claiming I was wrong in my claim that the battle didn't ACTUALLY last for months and that time wasn't being perceived as we know it? You seem to disagree with my statement, so I want to be clear on this point.
Lets get to the Odin vs. Thor durability question..
1. You admit that Odin is more durable than Thor
2. You admit Odin is more powerful than Thor
3. You admit that Odin is expontionally more durable than Thor in the destroyer
4. You admit that Thor is below in both power and durablity to Zuras and all the Eternals (Uni-Mind)
So, you admit all this, yet don't view Thor not bieng one shot as anything other than PIS? I want to be clear on your stance here as well. It seems you are saying you think it wasn't PIS and Thor is just that durable. Yet, we know that isn't the case don't we Ragey? The fact is the simple fact that Thor wasn't one shot, and all the info we have available on who has been one shot, means it was PIS or CIS or both. No two ways about it. Furthermore, again the Celestials CONFRONTED Odin and were ready to do battle with him. Thor, they didn't even notice him as a threat or any need to confront him. Again, you seemed to disagree with my statement, and yet, it was spot on.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm unclear about the distinction you are making here Rage. Besides being inept at making an argument, it seems objectivity is just as lacking. Lets look at he facts shall we....
What’s unclear? You seem to think that Zeus not wanting to kill Thor means he wasn’t trying or something of the sort. He was trying, and struggling to the point he had gotten pissed.
Let's.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Zeus made a disclaimer saying he wasn't trying to kill Thor. Now what can we gather from that? That zeus wasn't going all out, and his blasts were weaker than what they could be. There is no inference needed, those are the facts. Now, what can we take from that.. That if it was THAT easy for Zeus to deal with Thor while holding back, it would be even easier to put him down had he not been holding back. There is no two ways about it what transpired in that "fight".. Zeus dealt with Thor with ease.
I never said Zeus was using every iota of power at his disposal, neither of them were. As long as you understand that this wasn’t some kind of stroll in the park for Zeus, and acknowledge what happened on panel, I don’t care what your stance is.
But it wasn’t easy for Zeus. He said as much. I thought I had made that clear:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus3.jpg
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsZeus7.jpg"Still, I can make thee wish for that Twilight of Northern Gods, if thou dost continue to thwart me."
"HAH! Tis thee that hath been brough down today, not Almighty Zeus!"
"And all the while the wrathful Zeus doth rant and rage at the Northborn God of Thunder......"
"Verily not all the titans together e'er resisted me so strongly in the days when the cosmos was young--Nor all the Gods of Olympus when they would have toppled me headlong from my Throne!"
I have no idea how you think this was a stroll in the park for the King of Olympus while in the past you’ve argued what you have about Odin vs. Thanos.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now my question to you is do you disagree with my assertion that Zeus dealt with Thor easily and he was no threat to Zeus what so ever?
Disagreed, especially based on your past stances.
Zeus was winning, this was never in contention, but he was not having an easy time as that implies no effort which is untrue. The writer made that extremely clear. He was about as much of a threat to Zeus as Thanos was to Odin. Perhaps more so, he was able to match Zeus’ power output for some time and hurt him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do you disagree that had Zeus not been holding back he could've dealt with Thor even easier than he already did?
If Zeus had been blood lusted, he would an easier time against that Thor. But Thor wasn’t using everything at his disposal either, if he had, the scales would almost certainly balance out. Meaning the outcome would be no different unless the God Blast or something came into play but that's unlikely.
After all, the Hela’s curse phase Thor kept getting up from a Zeus in a Warrior Madness state.
It should be noted that Thor was probably in his late teen years at the time.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It amazes me that having Thor paper nuts in your mouth means I have to walk you through basic concession. Yet, that appears to be exactly what I need to do.
Every single time we discuss a topic you pretend you’ve consistently owned me or some such. You do realize that this is the internet, I can pull up old threads if I want?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Next, are you claiming I was wrong in my claim that the battle didn't ACTUALLY last for months and that time wasn't being perceived as we know it? You seem to disagree with my statement, so I want to be clear on this point.
How can the be any sort of confusion when I made my statement so extremely clear? I even gave you the likely measurement of time.
Your statement implies that I said the battle lasted for months. I didn’t, you made no correction, just so we’re clear.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lets get to the Odin vs. Thor durability question..1. You admit that Odin is more durable than Thor
2. You admit Odin is more powerful than Thor
3. You admit that Odin is expontionally more durable than Thor in the destroyer
4. You admit that Thor is below in both power and durablity to Zuras and all the Eternals (Uni-Mind)So, you admit all this, yet don't view Thor not bieng one shot as anything other than PIS? I want to be clear on your stance here as well. It seems you are saying you think it wasn't PIS and Thor is just that durable. Yet, we know that isn't the case don't we Ragey? The fact is the simple fact that Thor wasn't one shot, and all the info we have available on who has been one shot, means it was PIS or CIS or both. No two ways about it.
I’m confused by this weak attempt to force me into something. My opinion doesn’t change what happened on panel. And I wasn’t claiming that this was a level Thor is consistently portrayed at.
No, I’m not going to write it off as PIS. If someone asks me to list some of Thor’s best feats, this scene will be mentioned. The Odinson isn’t Gladiator, this isn’t a great anomaly and an isolated incident. It’s one of Thor’s high end feats. Arguably his best but the point stands, he’s had similar extraordinary showings before and after. For example, last year he managed to defeat the Chaos King’s most powerful general Glory (A prayer reignited Thor's will power near the end). The writer compared him to Zeus and the Olympians combined as a single, unimaginably powerful entity.
There are going to be showings of such scale in the future, it’s just a side effect of being arguably the most powerful hero in his Universe. You just need to know where to draw the line. No one is going to start claiming he beats Odin in a thread or some such without some sort of special circumstance, and if they do, I'll thoroughly chastise them.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Furthermore, again the Celestials CONFRONTED Odin and were ready to do battle with him. Thor, they didn't even notice him as a threat or any need to confront him. Again, you seemed to disagree with my statement, and yet, it was spot on.
You can't use the Celestial's attitude towards them as any sort of evidence. It would be valid if they weren't indifferent to both of them. As such, it's a very flawed argument, there are much better to go about proving that the Odin Destroyer is more powerful than Thor.
Ultimately, I'm not sure what you're gripe is here. You don't like me using the Celestial showing? Personally, I don't give a shit and I'll continue to do so if the need arises. You don't need to educate me on how the Gods match up, I know a hell of a lot more about them than you do I'd wager.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you typed all that to agree with every statement I made. Difference is, you put a spin on it that I didn't and went with what the comic says. Good I'm glad we agree.
I recommend to read my post more carefully. There are some very distinct differences in our opinions.
I went with what the comic said yet I'm the one who put a spin on it?
