Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
This was a good movie, but it suffered from over dramatic acting and some cheesy moments. What bothered me was Pentecost was running the show with no oversight from anyone. Sure they got government funding from the Russian, but it seemed like Pentecost called all the shots. Would've been nice to see some oversight by those backing him. Also, I felt they could have developed the Chinese and Russian teams better. The Alpha Cherno and Crimson Typhoon got beat too easily. There were a lot of plot holes in this movie, but I still loved it. At least somebody had the balls to do something like this. I hope this does well and gets a sequel with better script/story.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Even Ron Perlman and Irdis Elba?
haha, yes. Those two ranged all over. Sometimes, it seemed like del Toro had the cameras rolling during a pre-take rehersal and just went with it. lulz
Originally posted by Emma718
Um okay... 😕I'm sorry but clearly you have not watched Sons of Anarchy if you think Charlie Hunnam was horrible in it.
I have. SoA is one of my favorite shows. It was actually one of the reasons I wanted to see Pacific Rim in the theater. He was all over the place with his acting, as well.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
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Also, the location of the rift portal is dumbest thing ever. Pacific ocean. Nuclear testing site. Not too shallow for submarines. Kaiju do not teleport to habitable regions by magic. Nor do they have superspeed. Hit them with tactical nukes from submarines (the one used in movie 1.2 Mt, the most powerful tactical ones being 3 Mt) as soon as they appear.
How would using tactical nukes make a difference when that first Kaiju that they encountered took the governments 6 days to stop with conventional weapons.....something along those lines.
Originally posted by Kazenji
How would using tactical nukes make a difference when that first Kaiju that they encountered took the governments 6 days to stop with conventional weapons.....something along those lines.
This is where the problems of the movie come in.
They had to neuter the utter living crap out of the world's militaries in order to even have a movie to begin with.
For example, a bunker buster. Those things can penetrate many feat of reinforced concrete. And yet, these squishy, massive dinosaur like creatures are supposed to be resistant to bunker busters.
Extremely unlikely.
In the real world, a simple missile from a jet, fired 20+ miles away, would have been enough for a single creature. There would be no war with these creatures.
Additionally, since we have coastal scanning technologies, the creature would not have even gotten anywhere close to a US coast before it was killed.
Me thinks the scientists would try and tranq the creatures, first. Then kill it.
But, yeah, no matter how often the creatures ported through, we'd easily kill them all. If 100 ported through every 10 minutes, we'd still have enough missiles for our aircraft, alone, to wage war for dozens of years. That does not include our ICBM, non-nuke missiles.
We wouldn't even have to use Nukes, basically.
And when the aliens started using the EMP Kaiju's, we'd just switch to bunker busters and dumb-rounds to kill them. And with ease. 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
Additionally, since we have coastal scanning technologies, the creature would not have even gotten anywhere close to a US coast before it was killed.
Doubt it would that quick.....
But, yeah, no matter how often the creatures ported through, we'd easily kill them all. If 100 ported through every 10 minutes, we'd still have enough missiles for our aircraft, alone, to wage war for dozens of years. That does not include our ICBM, non-nuke missiles.And when the aliens started using the EMP Kaiju's, we'd just switch to bunker busters and dumb-rounds to kill them. And with ease. 😐
Even if that were the case, Sounds like to me that you think these Kaiju would just stand there.........don't forgot they act like a Hive Mind and most likely that alien race would find a way around our technology.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Doubt it would that quick.....
I agree. The Kaiju would be very slow: taking days to reach the coasts. 🙂
Originally posted by Kazenji
Even if that were the case, Sounds like to me that you think these Kaiju would just stand there.........don't forgot they act like a Hive Mind and most likely that alien race would find a way around our technology.
With no way to determine how the Kaiju were doing through the tunnel (remember, information could only go one way unless it was attached to a Kaiju and, up to that point, there was no indication that Kaiju ever went back).
So the alien race would have no way of project planning. Their goals were just simply to send more and more until the planet was clean. They would not know that all of their kaiju were being killed.
Lastly, it was only a matter of time before the humans figured out what was going on on the other side of the tunnel.
And the Kaiju would be virtually stationary compared to a missile traveling at mach 2 or 3. It literally would not be able to hear or see the missile coming before it was too late....most especially because it would be coming from above, under cloud cover (most of the time).
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Avengers sucked. An real military could have annihilated those alien fools.
Touché and that was one of the complaints I had about the Avengers, too. (edit - Yes, I know you're being facetious but the entire plot of Avengers did not hinge on the world militaries being extremely inept and "de-technologied" for the sole purpose of having a plot).
However, it was much easier to accept because they were in the middle of a city so human casualities would have been much higher with some massive, but non-nuke ballistic solutions.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Touché and that was one of the complaints I had about the Avengers, too. (edit - Yes, I know you're being facetious but the entire plot of Avengers did not hinge on the world militaries being extremely inept and "de-technologied" for the sole purpose of having a plot).However, it was much easier to accept because they were in the middle of a city so human casualities would have been much higher with some massive, but non-nuke ballistic solutions.
Jaegers are BETTER than ballistic weapons for killing Kaijus that reach populated areas but the plot clutches are them REACHING those areas unnoticed and not killed underwater.
First, second, third ones? May be considered as some exotic wildlife, but then... it's pretty clear for earthlings that it is attack. If the Kaiju, like Chitauri, appeared in close proximity to populated areas, then the plot of movie would have been good. Single stationary portal in the middle of the ocean= each major military force in the world gets Idiot Ball and holds to it for its dear life.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Jaegers are BETTER than ballistic weapons for killing Kaijus that reach populated areas
True. Even using tank-piercing rounds is a bad idea because of the causualties it could produce. A depeleted uranium round designed to bust through tank armor would easily rip through dozens of feet of flesh. They would, essentially, slice right hrough most areas on a Kaiju as though it were a massive slab of butter. This would increase the amount of "where did the round go?" casualities. Too many innocent bystanders would be caught in the damage.
Using large explosive weapons would be even worse.
So, just a small, teeny tiny bit of writing, could have greatly improved the idiocy that drives the conflict in the film. That's the difference between crap writing and decent writing.
In fact, they could have fleshed that out in the opening sequence of the film, no issues.
Jaegers
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
but the plot clutches are them REACHING those areas unnoticed and not killed underwater.
This is made worse when yo usee that they can detect, with oldschool radar/sonar stuff, exactly when Kaiju are coming through the portal.
😐
In other words, they know the moment they arrive. 😐
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
First, second, third ones? Maybe considered as some exotic wildlife, but then... it's pretty clear for earthlings that it is attack. If the Kaiju, like Chitauri, appeared in close proximity to populated areas, then the plot of movie would have been good. Single stationary portal in the middle of the ocean= each major military force in the world gets Idiot Ball and holds to it for its dear life.
I think that even using Jaegers by that point was still unjustified (after they realized it was an invasion). We still have much better weapons for addressing massive beasts that would not require humanoid battle bots. If we got to the point of the Kaiju attacking cities very shortly after porting, the world militaries would probably accept the risks associated with using tank busting rounds and explosive weapons like missiles.
They'd be far more likely to develop boring explosive rounds (rounds that were fired, attached to the surface of the Kaiju, bored its way through to a specific depth, and exploded) before they'd spend trillions on clunky, inefficient robots.
IIRC, we already have rounds like those. 😐
They tried to explain non-use of such rounds by "Kaiju Blue" AKA lots of Kaiju body fluids going airborne = bad idea. But the stationary portal in the middle of nowhere is still a crappy writing, nevertheless. That (and cliche Russian crew) are two of my major problems of this film.
In fact, crew of nuclear submarines (which would be ideal set of test pilots for nuclear powered killbot if any sort of IRL logic is applied) are SHORT people and they found a ginormous wrestler to play Alexei. But then Sasha (still too tall but tolerably tall) seemed to be the first pilot of Cherno Alpha and this plot point is at least explainable if her ginormous husband was the only drift-compatible person she got.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
They tried to explain non-use of such rounds by "Kaiju Blue" AKA lots of Kaiju body fluids going airborne = bad idea. But the stationary portal in the middle of nowhere is still a crappy writing, nevertheless.
That was for dissection purposes where they'd have to be in close proximity to the bodies and preserve some of the organs.
However, blowing them to bits did not seem to have an atmospheric influence/negative impact. They seemed to blow them to bits, just fine, with their Jaegers.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That was for dissection purposes where they'd have to be in close proximity to the bodies and preserve some of the organs.However, blowing them to bits did not seem to have an atmospheric influence/negative impact. They seemed to blow them to bits, just fine, with their Jaegers.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
nah the real military would lose but since real life aliens have yet to come here to attack us, we have to go a make believe world to enjoy ourselves
So instead of risking a squad of soldiers, the government will kill everyone with a nuke?
Well it's better than building a big ass concrete wall I guess 😐
This movie's pretty good, I guess, if you like giant monsters and badassness and worldbuilding and fights with *mass* and great choreography and designs and Ron Perelman. But only if you're into that kind of thing.
Or in other words, I saw it twice! 😄
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
That's why I said "tried" (but failed). Six days to kill using "non-overkill" weapons\trying to preserve the city is explainable, but in the sea in the middle of nowhere? Idiot Ball at its finest.
Keep in mind before they reach a city they're both underwater and move *really* fast.
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