Originally posted by leonidas
i'm sure g will do fine. probably be shown to be above some of them, but a question will be left if he is above all of them. g was said to be fearful of tiamut.whatever happens, when the next cosmic arc comes around it will probably be shown to have been meaningless anyway. 😬
Sometimes it's for the best.
Remember the whole "master of doom" idiocy? Thankfully, ALL writers have completely ignored that
Originally posted by guy222
😛tiamut delivers another wrassling blow as he did against arishem
as many galactus fans hope big g does well, as a celestial fan, hope my guys do well also
marvel doesn't like the big cosmic guys, so should and should is the key word lets hope its well done and no one looks bad
As a beacon of hope, Pak, Loeb and Fraction aren't on that!
At this point, I'd take any of them over Johns.
He can write awesome stuff, but usually at the cost of butchering continuity.. Sometimes, even his own continuity.
It's a minor thing, but why put Kyle with drinking buddies? I liked his girlfriend, even if she didn't last long. Also don't much care for this "hand picked" retcon, half his character was proving everyone wrong that he was the best of bad options, especially Ganthet.
Originally posted by Igniz
This makes me curios.I once said that maybe Galactus often is having a hard time with Magical beings like Odin and Mephisto.Yet he did well against his Cancerverse counterpart the Galactus Engine(who killed Aegis and made the Celestials run away).I once stated that Galactus might have had a hard time with Mephisto and Odin because of them being Magical in Nature while he did well against his Cancerverse counterpart due to the Galactus Engine being Cosmical in nature.
Originally posted by Sundipped
I didn't see him having a hard time with either Odin or Mephisto. Both were able to challenge him but Odin tapped out during tp and Mephisto tapped out when Big G got the munchies.
This.
You blokes have been using crap arguments for the past day, and I, as a major fan of Galactus, have come here to explain something to you lot:
-When Galactus fought Odin, he did so in Asgard, Odin’s realm; the same applies to Mephisto.
-Now, we all know just how powerful sky fathers are in their own little realms.
-When Odin, with the combined might of all of Asgard minus Thor and Loki dared to defy the Celestials, it took like six of them to destroy the Destroyer armour.
With this being said, Galactus appears quite a lot and is, therefore, used as a plot device ALL the time. However, I cannot stress this enough: do not forget about the black celestial arc... just don’t, because it shows Galactus' true potential; it portrays a Galactus that cares not about his cosmic duties, that cares ONLY to survive, but shows that he could consume the omniverse (tiamut included) as well, thus being able to ascend to... Omni Eternity? So basically he would ascend to a being in the Infinity Being tier - ruler of the Omniverse.
Originally posted by Damborgson
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This has got to be the most ignorant post so far: Galactus is as big as he wishes to be, and the same applies to Celestials (Infinity Gauntlet).
Originally posted by Bentley
Galan did well against the Galactus Engine so he'll probably punk the Celestials.The again, Odin has his best feat ever at stalling Galactus (something that puts him head and shoulders above mid-low-trans such as Thanos or and Mar-Vell)
Cannot tell if you're being serious or just delusional, Odin gave up. Although I don't think he entered the Odinsleep, I do think he gave up and that his words were true.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm sure g will do fine. probably be shown to be above some of them, but a question will be left if he is above all of them. g was said to be fearful of tiamut.whatever happens, when the next cosmic arc comes around it will probably be shown to have been meaningless anyway. 😬
Though this may be true, Big G consumed Tiamut after he tampered with his ever-gnawing hunger.
One last thing, the Celestials and the Watchers are said to be enemies (I know Galactus and the Cels are enemies as well), and we both know just how much stronger than Uatu (one of the strongest Watchers) Galactus is.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I would write it like this: The Celestials take on Uatu: Galactus go help him, and start kicking some asses. Out of nowhere, the Host sneak on Galactus. Tiamut comes to help the duo against the others.It ends with Galactus delevering his trademark Elbow Drop.
Although I am certain you were talking about "The Horde", I think I can agree with this. : ]
Originally posted by guy222
😛tiamut delivers another wrassling blow as he did against arishem
as many galactus fans hope big g does well, as a celestial fan, hope my guys do well also
marvel doesn't like the big cosmic guys, so should and should is the key word lets hope its well done and no one looks bad
Sorry mate, I hope the Celestials do well, but not well enough. On second though, no!, I hope they get humillated by Galactus and him only! That would settle a bunch of arguments online, and please his fans. **** the Celestials!
... P.S.: Galactus still has the Ultimate Nullifier, which he can fire at will in case future outlook is bleak!
Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
... P.S.: Galactus still has the Ultimate Nullifier, which he can fire at will in case future outlook is bleak!
Not really. He didn't "fire it at will" against Abraxas; nor against the Galactus Engine & Cancerverse; nor against Tenebrous, Aegis & Annihilation Wave; nor against Magus; nor against Thanos; etc. etc.
The Ultimate Nullifier won't help Galactus a bit against the Celestials, if the writers care about the continuity at all.
Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
Though this may be true, Big G consumed Tiamut after he tampered with his ever-gnawing hunger.
key word? tampered.
could g ever do what he did WITHOUT said tampering? unknown and any claim otherwise is purest speculation. my opinion is he could not, but that is as irrelevant as your likely belief that he could. that arc should be considered inadmissible because all that IS known is that the galactus of that arc was altered and not the normal galactus.
One last thing, the Celestials and the Watchers are said to be enemies (I know Galactus and the Cels are enemies as well), and we both know just how much stronger than Uatu (one of the strongest Watchers) Galactus is.
that is..... irrevevant. the greatest of the watchers was one-shotted by exitar. clearly the celestials were WELL above the watchers. comparing enemies isn't really all that great an idea either. 😬
Originally posted by Magnon
Not really. He didn't "fire it at will" against Abraxas; nor against the Galactus Engine & Cancerverse; nor against Tenebrous, Aegis & Annihilation Wave; nor against Magus; nor against Thanos; etc. etc.The Ultimate Nullifier won't help Galactus a bit against the Celestials, if the writers care about the continuity at all.
yep--still not sure if that abraxas scene is a retcon, or straight PIS. if it's never again elaborated on, i'll personally relegate it to PIS because it flies in the face of ALL the un's previous appearances.
Originally posted by leonidas
that is..... irrevevant. the greatest of the watchers was one-shotted by exitar. clearly the celestials were WELL above the watchers. comparing enemies isn't really all that great an idea either. 😬
Well it was said that Exitar had accumulated the energy needed to destroy the watchers for several thousand years. And all the Watchers was gathered (from what I understand) on the same planet. So imo to say that the Celestials is clearly above the Watchers is incorrect.
Originally posted by leonidas
yep--still not sure if that abraxas scene is a retcon, or straight PIS. if it's never again elaborated on, i'll personally relegate it to PIS because it flies in the face of ALL the un's previous appearances.
Yet doesn't the UN always finds it way back to Galactus? And I'm not entirely sure but apart from the incident with Reed holding Galactus at "gunpoint" with the UN, how many times have it actually happened that Galactus have been threatened with the UN?
Originally posted by Magnon
Not really. He didn't "fire it at will" against Abraxas; nor against the Galactus Engine & Cancerverse; nor against Tenebrous, Aegis & Annihilation Wave; nor against Magus; nor against Thanos; etc. etc.The Ultimate Nullifier won't help Galactus a bit against the Celestials, if the writers care about the continuity at all.
He merely allowed Reed to do it, that's it.
.... and quite obviously he won't use the UN every single time he's in trouble, THE WRITERS WOULD NOT ALLOW IT! Otherwise the stories would go: "Galactus uses UN"... "Galactus wins". = BORING.
It's okay though, we shall soon see.
Originally posted by leonidas
1.key word? [b]tampered.could g ever do what he did WITHOUT said tampering? unknown and any claim otherwise is purest speculation. my opinion is he could not, but that is as irrelevant as your likely belief that he could. that arc should be considered inadmissible because all that IS known is that the galactus of that arc was altered and not the normal galactus.
2.that is..... irrevevant. the greatest of the watchers was one-shotted by exitar. clearly the celestials were WELL above the watchers. comparing enemies isn't really all that great an idea either. 😬 [/B]
1. To tamper: Exert a secret or corrupt influence upon (someone); meddling: the act of altering something secretly or improperly.
With this said, Tiamut merely TAMPERED with his HUNGER. Meaning it is well within his power to consume all that is; thinking otherwise is foolish. However, he still has a conscience, and in order to not feel guilty for all the civilizations he has consumed he claims intrinsic importance to universal consonance and feeds merely to SURVIVE.
... and I quote: "Something further to note is that the Celestial in the Black Celestial arc didn't alter Galactus' armor to hold more energy, he only altered it to make it seem to Galactus that he was in a constant state of hunger. The ability to build the black hole machine which was consuming that universe, and time itself, was the creation of Galactus as was his ability to hold that energy within.".
2. Fair enough. Let's compare their origins then:
-The Celestials: the manifestation of Eternity's thoughts; Armour wearing living galaxies.
Greatest feat was throwing planets at Thanos. (Scathan is PIS + Alternate reality)
--> i.imgur.com/G5xog.png
--> i.imgur.com/fzgtf.jpg
-Galactus: the living embodiment of the cosmos before our own; the next multi-Eternity.
Greatest feat was nearly devouring all realities and then nullifying himself with his own weapon.
--> "Born before the Big Bang, Galactus was named "Galan" and hailed from an advanced alien race on the planet Taa. When he discovers Taa and the universe are doomed, Galan and a small band of survivors decide to meet their end at the heart of the universe.
Everyone dies except Galan who bonds with the universe—together they become "a living organism who possesses the matchless power and raging appetite of a galaxy. He shall be more than a galaxy. He shall be a Galactic ravager...He shall be GALACTUS!""
--> Can post a lot of scans, but that won't be needed, now will it?
--> i.imgur.com/M8ESQ.jpg
--> Read herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=226731.40 by Dr.Dog; this thread pretty much sums up everything I WOULD say, if I had the time.
Originally posted by leonidas
yep--still not sure if that abraxas scene is a retcon, or straight PIS. if it's never again elaborated on, i'll personally relegate it to PIS because it flies in the face of ALL the un's previous appearances.
Not PIS; read it in an interview the other day (no link.. so you probably won't believe me. Just ask Brevoort) that Galactus spared Earth because he admired Reed's bravery.
Therefore it's a retcon; you cannot dismiss events like that because it aids your argument!
Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
He merely allowed Reed to do it, that's it.
"Here Reed, old buddy, take this... the coup de grace should be yours." Heh, cute but no. Galactus had the UN, he wouldn't feel compelled to give it away unless he really had to. "Into YOUR hands it falls again, Reed Richards" were his exact words. Meaning, stopping Abraxas was up to Reed and Reed alone.
*All* those other examples I gave, from Cancerverse to Annihilus, he couldn't use it. It doesn't even matter *why* -- if he cannot/will not/is not allowed to use it when the fate of the entire universe and his personal existence is at stake, he can't use it against the Celestials either.
Originally posted by Magnon
"Here Reed, old buddy, take this... the coup de grace should be yours." Heh, cute but no. Galactus had the UN, he wouldn't feel compelled to give it away unless he really had to. "Into YOUR hands it falls again, Reed Richards" were his exact words. Meaning, stopping Abraxas was up to Reed and Reed alone.*All* those other examples I gave, from Cancerverse to Annihilus, he couldn't use it. It doesn't even matter *why* -- if he cannot/will not/is not allowed to use it when the fate of the entire universe and his personal existence is at stake, he can't use it against the Celestials either.
Not a very compelling argument... AT ALL. You have failed to disprove everything both I and utrigita said, thus you have ultimately lost this argument.
Galactus didn't use the UN against Annihilus / Cancerverse Galactus.
Therefore, he won't use it against the Celestials.
(P.S.: He also said, "do what must be done"😉
Strong logic.
Unfortunately for you.. his use of the UN is entirely up to the writers and I am just being sarcastic: Your logic scores amongst the worst I have ever had the displeasure of witnessing.
May the power cosmic be with you, for you cannot be dealt with logically, much like a female.
I bid thee farewell!