Galactus vs Celestials (the fight happens in Feb)

Originally posted by leonidas
hrm, horrible arc. i'd forgotten all about that run. that's the one that ended with reed banishing the rays with doom's time machine and po'ing the time variance guys.

the only issue i have with those scans (aside from the terrible retconning of that AWESOME avengers arc) as proof of anything is that the g that used it was from the far distant future. it was a gotg arc. it was also made clear during that arc that g used the nullifier a lot, something that, in our time period, certainly isn't the case. some of those gotg arcs were.... out there. you made your point, i'm just not sure how legitimate that scene is.

about the nullifier--as i said, it may prove to be some part of him. maybe he'll whip it out sometime and actually use it in the way some believe he can. but until his relationship with the un is explored further, i would never consider it fair game in a galactus vs thread. i still don't think it's a matter of his simply not caring to use it. doesn't make sense to me.

at one time, uatu was considered a near-equal to g. the difference is that in the past watchers rarely battled directly. they have several less-than showings and not all that many (but some) strong ones. so i'd say their portrayals have changed quite a bit.

Oh no, I wouldn't either.
But he had no need to use it either. Same with most of his tech. Why would he always pull it out? The last time him and his UN had been seen together, he ripped it out of Abraxas' hands. Do we yell how contradicting it is (even though it really only goes against his first appearance?), do we yell retcon, or do we go about it the non chalant way and just say he doesn't need it/care all the time?

That was off of statements though. They have, had, and will never have any showings on that level. Statements also have Grandmaster on Galactus' level, and that was only a couple years ago. Characters can say all they want, but until it comes in fruition, then you know, no.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That was the same Galactus who Korvac gained knowledge from. IE 616 Galactus. He didn't use the UN a lot, the UN just followed Korvac through different universes and timelines.
This is all off the top of my head, but I'm pretty fantastic so there's that

yep, you are correct. actually checked. thought it was a future g. however i was also correct in that it is said in that ff arc that g has fired the un many times. so.... huh. then reed heads off the beams and bfr's them. my summation: that arc was a mess. shrug

i agree with you on that last part though.

Oh no, I wouldn't either.
But he had no need to use it either. Same with most of his tech. Why would he always pull it out? The last time him and his UN had been seen together, he ripped it out of Abraxas' hands. Do we yell how contradicting it is (even though it really only goes against his first appearance?), do we yell retcon, or do we go about it the non chalant way and just say he doesn't need it/care all the time?

it also goes against the tyrant issue imo. i guess because he's come damn near to dying many times and not called it. to me it seems there is something more to the un. maybe not, but it's something i'd like to see explored more.

it did kill g in the korvac what if as well, which was simply a divergent as opposed to alternate reality. and no, i'm not citing it as proof, but still, one more inconsistency imo.

That was off of statements though. They have, had, and will never have any showings on that level. Statements also have Grandmaster on Galactus' level, and that was only a couple years ago. Characters can say all they want, but until it comes in fruition, then you know, no. [/B]

aron and uatu's battle was uber impressive.... and given some of GM's feats it's not hard to see him there.

ps--i can't possibly debate with you again until you change that sig. who can argue with taylor staring them down? 😐

Originally posted by leonidas
yep, you are correct. actually checked. thought it was a future g. however i was also correct in that it is said in that ff arc that g has fired the un many times. so.... huh. then reed heads off the beams and bfr's them. my summation: that arc was a mess. shrug

i agree with you on that last part though.

The Time Authority deals with Galactus' across the omniverse. When they say "Again" they mean that another Galactus has used to UN, and this time it was 616 Galactus... for a simple explanation.

Originally posted by leonidas
it also goes against the tyrant issue imo. i guess because he's come damn near to dying many times and not called it. to me it seems there is something more to the un. maybe not, but it's something i'd like to see explored more.

it did kill g in the korvac what if as well, which was simply a divergent as opposed to alternate reality. and no, i'm not citing it as proof, but still, one more inconsistency imo.

Meh, What Ifs.
That settles that.

Originally posted by leonidas
aron and uatu's battle was uber impressive.... and given some of GM's feats it's not hard to see him there.

ps--i can't possibly debate with you again until you change that sig. who can argue with taylor staring them down? 😐

I don't see how anyone could go against her angelic looks.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I edited.

The Time Authority deals with Galactus' across the omniverse. When they say "Again" they mean that another Galactus has used to UN, and this time it was 616 Galactus... for a simple explanation.

hmm, could be but that's not so simple and rather a large assumption....

He couldn't even stand in the Tyrant issue, and it wasn't turned directly against him, so there's that.

were it part of him, it likely shouldn't matter what level power he's at.

And that's pretty much all Uatu really has. And that wasn't even back when he was considered Galactus' "Equal"

aron was pretty impressive throughout.

Well, I think this goes against that...
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/Elders/silversurfer198801004kp0.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/Elders/silversurfer198801005tf4.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Energy%20manipulation/Absorbing/Elders/silversurfer198801006yn3.jpg

i said given SOME of his showings..... that was before the jla/avengers arc where he was much more impressive for example. he was pretty impressive in that avengers annual arc as well. i'm not saying he IS as powerful, just that at times he has been shown to be pretty damn uber.

I don't see how anyone could go against her angelic looks.

*insert dreamy sigh....*

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, could be but that's not so simple and rather a large assumption....

Originally posted by leonidas
were it part of him, it likely shouldn't matter what level power he's at.

Originally posted by leonidas
aron was pretty impressive throughout.

Like I said though, that was at a time when writers abandonned the notion of Watcher's being Galactus level. They've never been written down following showings, the only things that have changed is the Galactus talk

Originally posted by leonidas
i said given SOME of his showings..... that was before the jla/avengers arc where he was much more impressive for example. he was pretty impressive in that avengers annual arc as well. i'm not saying he IS as powerful, just that at times he has been shown to be pretty damn uber.

Originally posted by leonidas
*insert dreamy sigh....*

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Well, they're talking about 616 Galactus, and we know he doesn't fire it off, so that's really the only explanation... that makes sense.

an even simpler explanation is that 616 g does/has used it often and we simply never see it. meh, who knows.

I'd say when he can't stand up, then more exotic powers are off limits too, especially when he didn't need to do anything until it overloaded.

you'd call simply calling the thing back to him exotic?

Decent level. Not Galactus level, but certainly 'cosmic' (whatever that word means)

Originally posted by Galan007
The 'Rogue Watcher' moves and rearranges a hundred million Stars/Planets into a net-like pattern -- even Galactus is astounded by this display of power:

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Galactus and the Rogue Watcher battle do battle -- the battle lasts so long, that the Universe literally dies around them as they wage war:

[Turns out, the Rogue Watcher is the same being who originally witnessed the birth of Galactus].

Like I said though, that was at a time when writers abandonned the notion of Watcher's being Galactus level. They've never been written down following showings, the only things that have changed is the Galactus talk

the above might argue against that....

I just wanted an excuse to show Galactus crushing Collector and Grandmaster

no excuse needed. i never liked any of the elders.

She's just... she's just fantastic

starting to feel creeped out. 😐

Originally posted by leonidas
an even simpler explanation is that 616 g does/has used it often and we simply never see it. meh, who knows.

you'd call simply calling the thing back to him exotic?

the above might argue against that....

no excuse needed. i never liked any of the elders.

starting to feel creeped out. 😐

Moreso than walking 😂

non canon

me neither

I always feel comfortable when thinking of Taylor... maybe a little too
Weird

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
non canon

really? thought i'd discussed that once, long ago.... 'pologies. that was unintentional.

I always feel comfortable when thinking of Taylor... maybe a little too
Weird [/B]

freak.

Originally posted by GalanOfTaa
I don't care about ad hominems, all I care about is logic, which you lack.
Furthermore, I did not declare myself a winner, just said you were wrong. You being wrong and me being right are two different things which are not mutually exclusive.

You don't have to worry about my logic, it's just fine. Yours, however, seems to be lacking. You claim that Galactus can just fire the UN at will if his fight with the Celestials starts to go badly, while the evidence shows that he has never done so under combat situation (as far as I know). You fail to provide any support to your claims and instead try to derail the discussion into ad hominems. FYI, empty claims and personal attacks are inferior to facts.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure where the knowledge came from tbh. bran seems to think g wasn't actually dead at the time. meant to ask him where he got that bit of info......

All I know is that Johnny Storm had the knowledge concerning the location of the UN (could simply have been a plot device, I don't really think it was ever explained how the knowledge became seperated) and again I think that the most logical conclusion would be that the knowledge was lying dormant from the first time the Human Torch arquired the UN from Galactus. Galactus was pretty much gone at the Abraxas act, that was the reason for Abraxas appearing in the first place, I think your mixing it up with the Morg incident, where Galactus was simply exiled to a alternate dimension, a dimension that he later escaped maybe thanks to the energy he absorbed from Hyperstorm, but that wasn't really elaborated on either.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I think your mixing it up with the Morg incident, where Galactus was simply exiled to a alternate dimension, a dimension that he later escaped maybe thanks to the energy he absorbed from Hyperstorm, but that wasn't really elaborated on either.

yeah, you may be right. maybe because i don't remember any explanation for his returning from the morg incident.....

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, you may be right. maybe because i don't remember any explanation for his returning from the morg incident.....

IIRC there wasn't any, Galactus had his fight with Hyperstorm and then, more or less, just returned.

Spoilers for FF 600 follow.

According to FF 600, the Celestials have something to do with the Galactus Seed.

Galactus tells Reed that the earth will be "broken" soon, and that he (Galactus) cannot allow that to happen since the Seed is on earth. G gives reed a device called "the Arc" which will summon Galactus when activated. Given the solicits for FF 603, looks like the Celestials will arrive, and Reed will summon Galactus to combat them.

And, if anyone is interested...we learn a bit more about the Seed.

Like Odin said in Mighty Thor, the Seed contains the next Galactus. What we learn now is that if the earth is destroyed, the seed will be expelled into space/time, and this will allow the birth of an entity within the Seed that will seek to replace Galactus. Galactus explains this cannot come to pass since the entity will be "immature" and lack G's restraint, and that everything will end sooner as a result.

Also re: the Seed. Apparently the Celestials and Eternity have something to do with its creation. The Seed is an aberration in regards to the cycle of balance that Galactus represents. So all the nonsense that some Asgard fans were postulating before about how Bor/Odin predate Galactus is utterly dispelled here.

Did Eternity got mentioned at any point? It didn't seem so to me.

Originally posted by Bentley
Did Eternity got mentioned at any point? It didn't seem so to me.

Same speech bubble that "Celestial" was mentioned

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Like Odin said in Mighty Thor, the Seed contains the next Galactus. What we learn now is that if the earth is destroyed, the seed will be expelled into space/time, and this will allow the birth of an entity within the Seed that will seek to replace Galactus. Galactus explains this cannot come to pass since the entity will be "immature" and lack G's restraint, and that everything will end sooner as a result.

Also re: the Seed. Apparently the Celestials and Eternity have something to do with its creation. The Seed is an aberration in regards to the cycle of balance that Galactus represents. So all the nonsense that some Asgard fans were postulating before about how Bor/Odin predate Galactus is utterly dispelled here.

Unfortunately I haven't read the newest issue of the Fantastic Four so I can't comment on what Hickman has decided to change or expand on, how it effects the Asgardian retcon etc. but don't pretend that Bor and his sons predating the current Universal cycle was some kind of baseless theory. If it was, previous discussions wouldn't have gone the way they did. I get that you don't like it, I didn't like all the Celestial based retcons that Thomas made, but let's not be Ostriches.

Under Fraction, Bor and his sons are at least primordial types in terms of age from what I can gather. Whether they come before or after Galactus, it should still be pretty close either way.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Same speech bubble that "Celestial" was mentioned

Judging by the context that "celestial" could be unrelated with the actual Celestials, but since we know the Celestials are coming... Is this the first on panel confirmation of the statement that has the Celestials serving under Eternity?

should b a great tale

Originally posted by guy222
should b a great tale