Galactus vs The Celestials...

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Franklin revived Galactus with the Franklin orb:
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Exactly.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yeah, Franklin killed one, then awoke Galactus as his 'herald', who joined the fight, killed yet another Celestial, and then Franklin killed the last one, perishing in the process, but with Galactus bringing him back.

All in all, ridiculous showing of power for Galactus, and considering Future Franklin (with young Franklin's power) performance against them, nobody can really argue that those Celestials aren't as powerful as the 616 Celestials, at least.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. I don't think Adult Frank was using his younger counterpart's powers though during the fight though. Young Frank conserved some of his power in a ball that he kept close to his heart, and then gave the same "ball" to his older self, who used the same ball to revive Galactus. Adult Frank had to conserve his energy for the big fight and wanted young Frank to do the same with the intention of using the latter's powers to bring back Galactus.

I'd say that Galactus/Franklin took down Eson... since Franklin dived into the hole Galactus made in Eson.

I wouldn't say you could rule out Franklin not using Young Franklin's power... but I digress. Either way, he's ****ing Franklin Richards

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I'd say that Galactus/Franklin took down Eson... since Franklin dived into the hole Galactus made in Eson.

I wouldn't say you could rule out Franklin not using Young Franklin's power... but I digress. Either way, he's ****ing Franklin Richards

Well, it's pretty clear the energy ball embodied Young Franklin's powers; and Adult Franklin used the very same ball to resurrect Galactus. I think Adult Frank wanted to conserve his own powers for the fight while instructing his younger self to do the same in order to bring back Galactus. In other words, Adult F's powerset was for the fight; and Young F's powerset was for Galactus. I imagine it must take a great deal of power to resurrect "Franklin's herald".

It's also important to note that the Mad Celestials were pretty scared of Adult Franklin before he absorbed his younger self's powers, judging by the words they used at the mere sight of him: "Danger.. Danger .. DOOM".

But yeah, you're right, either way he's FR. lol

The question is how much of this last issue was Galactus helping Franklin. Did the Franklin revive Galactus or did it empower Galactus? If the latter, then by how much?

Originally posted by Galan007
. Both he and Franklin each killed 2 mad Celestials--but Galactus did so much easier (he didn't have to die.)

Makes me wonder if events would have turned out differently had the Celestials opted to merge.

Actually, Galactus did die. Moreover, he was killed by the combined might of the Mad Celestials. Franklin, on the other hand, CHOSE to sacrifice himself (he wasn't killed by the Space Gods; it was a suicide attack); and was then brought back to life. And technically, Galactus only defeated ONE CELESTIAL in his first battle. He wouldn't have even had the chance to take down a second one if Frank hadn't brought him back to life, a favor that Galactus later reciprocated.

i think it's pretty clear that adult Franklin used kid Franklin power to revive Galactus..he didn't used it to battle the Celestials..it seems that he and Galactus is kinda equals in term of power..

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
The question is how much of this last issue was Galactus helping Franklin. Did the Franklin revive Galactus or did it empower Galactus? If the latter, then by how much?

Not sure really. I just go by the facts, i.e., what is shown and written by the author.

Evidence shows that young Franklin's powers were represented by a cosmic ball of sorts.
We see him give the ball to Adult Franklin.
Later, we see Adult Franklin use the same ball to revive Galactus.
So one thing we know for certain is that Young Franklin's powers were used to bring back The World Devourer right? Indeed.

That said, the notion that Young Franklin's powers were used to amp Adult Franklin in the fight is certainly plausible, but it's only speculation. We don't know for sure.

Your question, too, about Galactus is speculation. We can only assume. My guess is that Young Frank's powers both revived and empowered Galactus. By how much, I do not know.

Originally posted by Doon
Actually, Galactus did die. Moreover, he was killed by the combined might of the Mad Celestials. Franklin, on the other hand, CHOSE to sacrifice himself (he wasn't killed by the Space Gods; it was a suicide attack); and was then brought back to life. And technically, Galactus only defeated ONE CELESTIAL in his first battle. He wouldn't have even had the chance to take down a second one if Frank hadn't brought him back to life, a favor that Galactus later reciprocated.

And it was against the Super Celestial... so there's that.

EDIT: We've already seen that it burns Franklin+Val out just to bring Galactus back. If he went from completely out and probably pretty drained, then it'd take a lot of power to forcibly wake him up. I doubt that he was empowered.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
i think it's pretty clear that adult Franklin used kid Franklin power to revive Galactus..he didn't used it to battle the Celestials..it seems that he and Galactus is kinda equals in term of power..

Exactly. It's evidence VS speculation.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I'd think that if Galactus died, that it'd actually be met with any shock at all.

And it was against the Super Celestial... so there's that.

EDIT: We've already seen that it burns Franklin+Val out just to bring Galactus back. If he went from completely out and probably pretty drained, then it'd take a lot of power to forcibly wake him up. I doubt that he was empowered.

Yeah, I was just responding to the other guy who said Galactus didn't die when, in truth, he did (regardless of the circumstances).

As for the Frank + Val reference from the Abraxas storyline, I think that only serves to emphasize that all of Young Frank's powers (represented by the ball) were needed to resurrect Galactus, while the Adult one used his own powerset for the fight.

i think it did empowered Galactus a bit..it brought Galactus back from the dead and that Galactus had enough power to tear a Celestial in half..he wasn't able to that before..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ok... I think the law of conservation of energy got raped several ways til Sunday for that to work... but ok.

At least this shows that Mad Celestial were at the very least comparable to 616 Celestials.

Originally posted by Doon
Yeah, I was just responding to the other guy who said Galactus didn't die when, in truth, he did (regardless of the circumstances).

As for the Frank + Val reference from the Abraxas storyline, I think that only serves to emphasize that all of Young Frank's powers (represented by the ball) were needed to resurrect Galactus, while the Adult one used his own powerset for the fight.

Mayhaps.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What proof is there that he died?

Mayhaps.

I could say the same of Adult Franklin by your logic. We saw Galactus' body get wrecked right? With Franklin, we just see him do the "kamakaze move", but we don't see a dead body. Later, we just see him emerge from Galactus' hands. That doesn't necessarily guarantee that G brought him back to life.

It would be pretty cool if Hickman was able to address some of our questions.

Originally posted by Doon
I could say the same of Adult Franklin by your logic. We saw Galactus' body get wrecked right? With Franklin, we just see him do the "kamakaze move", but we don't see a dead body. Later, we just see him emerge from Galactus' hands. That doesn't necessarily guarantee that G brought him back to life.

It said Franklin sacrificed himself... and nothing at all was said about Galactus even losing, let alone dying. And we know bad things happen when Galactus dies...

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Galactus wasn't in that bad of condition. We saw the same thing when he got hit by PR Beyonder.

It said Franklin sacrificed himself... and nothing at all was said about Galactus even losing, let alone dying. And we know bad things happen when Galactus dies...

From his grandfather's perspective, it appeared that way specifically because of the "kamakaze move" pulled by FR. FYI, Nathaniel was narrating. It's possible that he wasn't sure if Frankin would emerge or not. He seemed relieved by the outcome.

As for Galactus, in my opinion, he was in SERIOUS condition. By your logic, though, if Galactus didn't die, neither did Franklin. At least with Galactus, we saw a fallen, decayed-looking body in the ground for quite some time. Did you see Franklin in such a condition? I didn't.

Anyway, time for bed. Will discuss more later..

Originally posted by Doon
From his grandfather's perspective, it appeared that way specifically because of the "kamakaze move" pulled by FR. FYI, Nathaniel was narrating. It's possible that he wasn't sure if Frankin would emerge or not. He seemed relieved by the outcome.

As for Galactus, in my opinion, he was in SERIOUS condition. By your logic, though, if Galactus didn't die, neither did Franklin. At least with Galactus, we saw a fallen, decayed-looking body in the ground for quite some time. Did you see Franklin in such a condition? I didn't.

Anyway, time for bed. Will discuss more later..

Nothing was said about Galactus dying. We've seen Galactus like that before, and his armor was barely in bad condition, let alone serious condition. We've seen him down like that before after Beyonder repelled him. He was knocked clean out, but killed? I don't think so.

If the only reason Franklin didn't die is because Galactus didn't die, then...

Also, if I saw Franklin laying on the ground with torn up clothes I probably wouldn't think he'd be dead... and he wouldn't be in that condition anyway because Galactus wrapped his big reviving hands around him. Just like the way he's held Surfer when Surfer was in critical condition.

Originally posted by Doon
From his grandfather's perspective, it appeared that way specifically because of the "kamakaze move" pulled by FR. FYI, Nathaniel was narrating. It's possible that he wasn't sure if Frankin would emerge or not. He seemed relieved by the outcome.

As for Galactus, in my opinion, he was in SERIOUS condition. By your logic, though, if Galactus didn't die, neither did Franklin. At least with Galactus, we saw a fallen, decayed-looking body in the ground for quite some time. Did you see Franklin in such a condition? I didn't.

Anyway, time for bed. Will discuss more later..

Franklin, on the other hand, completely disappeared in an epic conflagration. Nathaniel also stated he sacrificed himself. And, finally, he re-emerged from within Galactus' hands.

It's two completely different things. Galactus: he was clearly unconscious and revived. Possibly (but not likely) dead and resurrected. Franklin: he was clearly dead and resurrected.