The Celestials are the powerhouses. Adult Franklin, with the added power of young Franklin (which equates to two universal powers rolled up in one), wasn't a match for the individual mad Celestials, and had to resort to a kamikaze attack just to stop them.
The mad Celestials are FAR more powerful than most gave them credit for.
Originally posted by Galan007
The Celestials are the powerhouses. Adult Franklin, with the added power of young Franklin (which equates to two universal powers rolled up in one), wasn't a match for the individual mad Celestials, and had to resort to a kamikaze attack just to stop them.The mad Celestials are FAR more powerful than most gave them credit for.
So there wasn't anything indicating they were weaker than the 616 Celestials? It sounds to me they were even more dangerous because they were bent on destroying realities.
Did they resolve whether the poor Big G remain incapacitated or did he recover?
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Originally posted by Sr J-BiebYeah, Franklin killed one, then awoke Galactus as his 'herald', who joined the fight, killed yet another Celestial, and then Franklin killed the last one, perishing in the process, but with Galactus bringing him back.
And then Galactus revived himEson was a little bit more powerful than zopzop thought...
All in all, ridiculous showing of power for Galactus, and considering Future Franklin (with young Franklin's power) performance against them, nobody can really argue that those Celestials aren't as powerful as the 616 Celestials, at least.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaPretty much.
Yeah, Franklin killed one, then awoke Galactus as his 'herald', who joined the fight, killed yet another Celestial, and then Franklin killed the last one, perishing in the process, but with Galactus bringing him back.All in all, ridiculous showing of power for Galactus, and considering Future Franklin (with young Franklin's power) performance against them, nobody can really argue that those Celestials aren't as powerful as the 616 Celestials, at least.
Although Galactus showed no lower power while they were together, Adult Franklin must be a little higher than Galactus because of the "Herald thing", or they're around the same and Galactus really respects him. Meh, confusing thing to just throw out there... hopefully he expands on this.
Perhaps Franklin went back in time and bonded Galactus? Or he was just his herald for that fight because he brought him back to the fight?
Originally posted by PhilosophíaThe more I think of it, the more I think it was just for that fight. I mean, the way Reed's dad talked throughout, and with him apparently watching Franklin fight the Celestials before.
Yeah, the whole "Herald" thing was kind of just inserted there to make for a badass scene, instead of a simple "I'm bringing you back to further my (and your) interest."Galactus did bring him again in a similar manner soon thereafter, so meh.
I don't have a problem with that, but that's something that should get expanded on in the future, just for clarity's sake.
Either way, good ending. Guy called the ending before hand with Franklin saving the day, but quite a few twists were shoved in there. Oh Hickman. Makes me laugh that the big event is the Phoenix and not this one though.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
The more I think of it, the more I think it was just for that fight. I mean, the way Reed's dad talked throughout, and with him apparently watching Franklin fight the Celestials before.I don't have a problem with that, but that's something that should get expanded on in the future, just for clarity's sake.
Either way, good ending. Guy called the ending before hand with Franklin saving the day, but quite a few twists were shoved in there. Oh Hickman. Makes me laugh that the big event is the Phoenix and not this one though.
With just the scans I have seen, it does sound like that Franklin, Galactus and the Celestials were given pretty big props. Powerwise, hey all seem to be on the same level as individuals with maybe Franklin and Galactus being just a tad more powerful.
I do like Galactus and Frankling being rivals in the future with each of them being wary of what the other is doing from a distance away. Maybe there will be a story to explore in the future as Sr J-Bieb mentioned.
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebIf anything, Galactus seemed superior to Franklin. Both he and Franklin each killed 2 mad Celestials--but Galactus did so much easier (he didn't have to die.)
Pretty much.Although Galactus showed no lower power while they were together, Adult Franklin must be a little higher than Galactus because of the "Herald thing", or they're around the same and Galactus really respects him. Meh, confusing thing to just throw out there... hopefully he expands on this.
Perhaps Franklin went back in time and bonded Galactus? Or he was just his herald for that fight because he brought him back to the fight?
Makes me wonder if events would have turned out differently had the Celestials opted to merge.
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebYeah, that's how I read it, too. He was talking about constants, and how some things always happen - and then that throughout all of space and time, Franklin has only had one herald, right as he awakens Galactus and calls him herald. It wouldn't make sense for this not to be that one unique occasion.
The more I think of it, the more I think it was just for that fight.
Like I said, I think 'herald' was used as something that is pretty much 'I awoke this guy to help me kick some ass', and not as a derogatory Silver Surfer/Galactus power discrepancy term. They pretty much mirrored eachother, with the killing of two Celestials, and mutual revival. Also worth noting is that adult Frankling was amped by kid Franklin.
What I'm most pleased with is that with this whole Franklin situation, it showed that they're not "lesser Celestials" or anything of the kind, yet Galactus was clearly above any single one.
Originally posted by Philosophía👆
What I'm most pleased with is that with this whole Franklin situation, it showed that they're not "lesser Celestials" or anything of the kind, yet Galactus was clearly above any single one.
The fact that it was flat-out stated that adult Franklin (a universal++ power) was NOT capable of defeating the 3 mad Celestials by himself, speaks volumes about their power... In my personal opinion, they've done enough to put them above their 616 counterparts. This event also shed some [greatly needed] light on just how friggin' powerful Galactus himself (amped by 4 planets or not) is.
All in all, this arc was one of the better Marvel stories I've read in a long time.
I will say I was quite pleased with this issue. So pleased that I actually bought it from the comic store instead of reading it and putting it back 😂
And it has to be said, feat-wise, the Mad Celestials have done more in 2 issues than the 616 Celestials have done in 4 decades' (with the obvious exception of Scathan the Approver...maaaybe Tiamut) worth of continuity.
I mean...for just THREE of the mad Celestials to be > in power than Adult Franklin AND young Franklin?
Another poster was crying before about "power revision" concerning Galactus and the Celestials, but I think that is nothing compared to the fact that it's just been proven, on-panel, that 3 Celestials are more than an Adult, mature Franklin Richards can handle. Same guy whose younger self was manipulating universes at whim not 4 issues prior.
Galactus got his due, big time, as I knew he would under Hickman's stewardship.
Hickman should be put in charge of Marvel's cosmic scene, not Loeb. Ugh.
Originally posted by Galan007To add onto this, Galactus said he would stand at the heat death at the end of the universe, which was destroying Franklin's self sustaining pocket universe, and the whole reason Franklin and Val jumped in the first place.
👆The fact that it was flat-out stated that adult Franklin (a universal++ power) was NOT capable of defeating the 3 mad Celestials by himself, speaks volumes about their power... In my personal opinion, they've done enough to put them above their 616 counterparts. This event also shed some [greatly needed] light on just how friggin' powerful Galactus himself (amped by 4 planets or not) is.
All in all, this arc was one of the better Marvel stories I've read in a long time.
Just some food for thought.
^ It's all pretty straight forward, tbh. In a nutshell...
-Adult Franklin merely BFR'd the mad Celestials at the beginning of the comic, in order to buy him enough time to gather young Franklin's energy.
-Adult Franklin begins battling the Celestials--after destroying one of them, he realizes that he cannot defeat the rest by himself, so he resurrects Galactus.
-Galactus proceeds to kill another Celestial.
-The last remaining Celestial owns Galactus.
-Franklin preforms a kamikaze attack on the Celestial, killing he and it in the process.
-Galactus revives Franklin.
-end
Clear as mud?
