Galactus vs The Celestials...

Originally posted by Doon
Bottom line is that Galactus is or was Franklin's herald. Otherwise, the word "herald" would never have been used in the first place. You're desperately trying in vain to make sense out of something that really requires no speculation. It was stated in black and white. And Big G did "serve" FR in the sense that he immediately came to his assistance against the Celestials.

And FYI, you're the one who keeps bringing this up, showing that you clearly have a problem with your beloved namesake's demotion (however long that may be) in the Marvel universe.

I never argued whether or not Galactus was Frank's herald during their battle with the Celestials--I'm talking about their relationship NOW. And NOW, Galactus is NOT Frank's herald in the "servant" sense.

I urge you to not only read my posts, but to comprehend them before you respond.

Originally posted by Galan007
facepalm

I never argued whether or not Galactus was Frank's herald during their battle with the Celestials--I'm talking about their relationship NOW. And NOW, Galactus is NOT Frank's herald in the "servant" sense.

I urge you to not only read my posts, but to comprehend them before you respond.

Well, to be honest, we don't know that for sure. Why would the relationship just change overnight? They've already defeated the Celestials and are now just taking time to reflect on the future. That doesn't necessarily indicate that Franklin will refrain from calling on Galactus' services again if another threat should arise. I just don't think the "aftermath" issue tells us much of anything. I mean.. sure, it shows that they're equals, but we already knew that long before. It's nothing new.

Maybe we will see Franklin merging with the seed and go into an incubation period much like Galactus did when he merged with the previous Eternity.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Just something that popped into my head 🙂

I think Galactus said something about Eternity seeking to ... something. But then again the wording Celestial and Eternity can have a entirely different meaning then a actual reference to the Celestials and Eternity.

I must honestly admit that I isn't atm. Is it worth following friend?

Originally posted by Doon
Well, to be honest, we don't know that for sure. Why would the relationship just change overnight? They've already defeated the Celestials and are now just taking time to reflect on the future.

Originally posted by Galan007
You answered your own question. Frank no longer has any need for Galactus as his herald.

Originally posted by Doon
Bottom line is that Galactus is or was Franklin's herald. Otherwise, the word "herald" would never have been used in the first place. You're desperately trying in vain to make sense out of something that really requires no speculation. It was stated in black and white. And Big G did "serve" FR in the sense that he immediately came to his assistance against the Celestials.

And FYI, you're the one who keeps bringing this up, showing that you clearly have a problem with the change in status quo affecting your beloved namesake.

I don't think Doon's and Galan's points are mutually exclusive. IMO, Galactus was a partner and a herald.

Originally posted by lilshogun
Maybe we will see Franklin merging with the seed and go into an incubation period much like Galactus did when he merged with the previous Eternity.

If Frank and Galactus merged together and went up against the Super Celestial, that would have been an awesome battle. Then again, that would be Dragon Ball Z. lol

Originally posted by Galan007
You answered your own question. Frank no longer has any need for Galactus as his herald.

Originally posted by zopzop

Uhm, we were TOLD by the character (hence the writer) that Cube Beings < Celestials. That's not IMPLIED. It doesn't get anymore clear than that.

So retract your statement that fights trump all. I'm just trying to end your debate with yourself.

In other words, IMPLIED (and hence means nothing) not outright stated (like the example I provided regarding the Cube Beings/Celestials)? Thanks for proving my point.

You have no point at all. NONE. I've reduced it to nothing and the best you can manage is some diminutive response about how hickman "implies" that Adult Franklin is Reed's son.

In fact I don't even need to bother posting the scans where Nathaniel goes on and on and on about telling Reed how children grow up to be who they are going to be, how "THIS IS WHO YOUR SON WILL BE. THIS IS WHO HE IS"

Get out of here dude. owned.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Tbf, we've also seen on panel that a single cosmic cube enslaved all the Celestials left in the universe, when the Guardians travelled into the future.

It's pretty much all mutable at this point...

that was a distinct alternate reality

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
So retract your statement that fights trump all. I'm just trying to end your debate with yourself.

The writer made it clear as day : "They (the Celestials) would crush you (Kosmos), like I (Kubik) did". He then goes on to admit Celestials are transfinite levels of power above Cube Beings. Then when it came time for judgement they were in fear of their lives. Two Cube Beings vs ONE unnamed Celestial and they didnt' even attempt to defend themselves because they KNEW it would be futile.

You have no point at all. NONE. I've reduced it to nothing and the best you can manage is some diminutive response about how hickman "implies" that Adult Franklin is Reed's son.

In fact I don't even need to bother posting the scans where Nathaniel goes on and on and on about telling Reed how children grow up to be who they are going to be, how "THIS IS WHO YOUR SON WILL BE. THIS IS WHO HE IS"

Get out of here dude. owned.

Uhm you yourself said : "He literally all but stated it on panel."

In other words it's implied. As opposed to my example which was stated in no uncertain terms.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
that was a distinct alternate reality

No, it was a future of 616, as the reason the whole of reality was collapsing was due to the fault expanding.

The celestial engine made with the cosmic cube was the thing stopping the fault from expanding into the only solar system left.

Nothing in F4 #605 alluded to Galactus being Frank's 'herald' beyond that one instance with the mad Celestials. This is good.

frank and big g new beer buddies 😂

beer buddies indeed

👆

I don't get why Galactus was so worried about being the sole survivor of the universe when both he and Franklin are godlike beings capable of easily creating plenty of other lifeforms to keep them company. Someone on another board also mentioned that Mr. Immortal, aside from Big G and Frank, is supposedly destined to be another survivor.

Originally posted by guy222
frank and big g new beer buddies 😂

Jonathan Hickman discusses his final plans for the F4 and FF here:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38204

Sounds very interesting!

cool

Originally posted by Doon
Someone on another board also mentioned that Mr. Immortal, aside from Big G and Frank, is supposedly destined to be another survivor.