Galactus vs The Celestials...

Originally posted by Slaanesh
they are equal to which 616 Celestials??most of them have different power level..are they equal to the weakest 616 version or equal to Tiamut??i think that question about power level is kinda pointless..if there are only one Celestial or all of them have the same power level..that question would have meant something..

Although Tiamut is arguably the most powerful Celestial, I don't consider most of the other Celestials to be weak in any way (they're all pretty powerful in their own right). As an 'old school' comics guy, when I think of 616 top guns, guys like Arishem and Exitar come to mind. That said, the intent of my question was to determine if Hickman considers the 4280 Celestials inferior to their more notable 616 counterparts (as some on this thread, like Zop, were previously debating that notion); and I think his response is fair.

Originally posted by Doon
Although Tiamut is arguably the most powerful Celestial, I don't consider most of the other Celestials to be weak in any way (they're all pretty powerful in their own right). As an 'old school' comics guy, when I think of 616 top guns, guys like Arishem and Exitar come to mind. That said, the intent of my question was to determine if Hickman considers the 4280 Celestials inferior to their more notable 616 counterparts (as some on this thread, like Zop, were previously debating that notion); and I think his response is fair.

Arishem and Exitar are among the top Celestials..but Arishem power is nowhere near Exitar..but your question and Hickman answer are too general..that's why i don't see the point of that question..even with Hickman answer we still don't know how to compare the rouge Celestials powers to that of notable 616 Celestials..

Originally posted by Doon
Got a personal response from Hickman!!

http://4ms.me/NKKpvE

MrAnathema:
"Are the Celestials of Earth-4280 equal to their 616 counterparts?"

Jonathan Hickman:

"In what way? Power? Sure."

Awesome. Another mystery solved! Very cool of him to respond so quickly!

Muy bien. 👆

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Arishem and Exitar are among the top Celestials..but Arishem power is nowhere near Exitar..but your question and Hickman answer are too general..that's why i don't see the point of that question..even with Hickman answer we still don't know how to compare the rouge Celestials powers to that of notable 616 Celestials..

Hell, Kubik once stated that a single no-name Celestial possessed a level of power several magnitudes of infinity beyond his own(which was sufficient to warp a universe casually, btw.) How the phuck can you gauge that Celestial-- let alone the upper echelon/more powerful Celestials like the 4th Host, Exitar, etc.?

Originally posted by Galan007
We've never really known how to compare/gauge Celestials, though.

Hell, Kubik once stated that a single no-name Celestial possessed a level of power several magnitudes of infinity beyond his own(which was sufficient to warp a universe casually, btw.) How the phuck can you gauge that Celestial-- let alone the upper echelon Celestials like the 4th Host, Exitar, etc.?

that's why i said i don't see the point of that question..they all have different power level..and Hickman answer was that the rouge Celestials are equal to 616..the 616 Celestials aren't even equal among themselves..how the hell do u compare something like that..

What I'm saying is that, while the power of 616 Celestials seems to vary, we don't really know what that variance is-- never have. We know that a no-name, seemingly base-level Celestial, possessed a transinfinite level of power several orders of magnitude beyond that of a cube being. On the other end of the spectrum, we know that the most powerful Celestials(Scathan and Tiamut, for instance) appeared to possess Supreme Being-esque type of power. In the middle, we have the more mainstream 4th Host (which, imo, is where the Mad Celestials would fall), and we also have Exitar, who is more powerful than the 4th Host combined (which, imo, is where the Voltron Celestial would fall.)

I think it's logical to place the MC's in that neck of the woods. /shrug

Originally posted by Slaanesh
that's why i said i don't see the point of that question..they all have different power level..and Hickman answer was that the rouge Celestials are equal to 616..the 616 Celestials aren't even equal among themselves..how the hell do u compare something like that..

Easy answer: Zop (and I'm not sure who else) suggested that the 4280-Celestials may be inferior to 616 versions partially because they originate from an alternate reality. If you go back and read this thread, you'll notice that others argued such was not the case. Originating from an alternate reality has little to do with the power level of Celestials.

Originally posted by Galan007
What I'm saying is that, while the power of 616 Celestials seems to vary, we don't really know what that variance is-- never have. We know that a no-name, seemingly base-level Celestial, possessed a transinfinite level of power several orders of magnitude beyond that of a cube being. On the other end of the spectrum, we know that the most powerful Celestials(Scathan and Tiamut, for instance) appeared to possess Supreme Being-esque type of power. In the middle, we have the more mainstream 4th Host (which, imo, is where the Mad Celestials would fall), and we also have Exitar, who is more powerful than the 4th Host combined (which, imo, is where the Voltron Celestial would fall.)

I think it's logical to place the MC's in that neck of the woods. /shrug

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What happened to you zop ? 🙁

You were so much more adorable when you used to lowball the Mad Celestials using those awful Doom,Ben and Sue examples .

Originally posted by Slaanesh
that's why i said i don't see the point of that question..they all have different power level..and Hickman answer was that the rouge Celestials are equal to 616..the 616 Celestials aren't even equal among themselves..how the hell do u compare something like that..

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
From what was shown , the Mad Celestials among themselves seemed to vary in power . Two of them individually blasted adult Frank , and only staggered him a bit . Eson's blast made him scream in pain . Same with the revived Galactus(although it can be argued that he was not as strong as he was back when he was roided up on the 4-planet buffet) .
I think that the Mad Eson should be around the level of a 616-host leader like Arishem(or pre-Ascension Tiamut) .

Then we have the Voltron Celestial, which was not only immensely larger than the sum of its parts, but also immensely more powerful-- able to kill a hugely amped Galactus with a single energy blast... I liken it to Exitar, who was>>the 4th Host combined. Always have.

Originally posted by zopzop
That was before we knew for sure that :
a) Galactus was indeed killed and then resurrected by the power of Child Franklin
b) Adult Franklin never died and was never resurrected by Galactus
So know we know it took :
1) the most powerful canon version of Galactus ever,
2) Sol's Anvil, uber council of reeds weapon,
3) Adult Franklin, universe level reality warper,
4) all of Kid Franklin's power to rez AND recharge Galactus.
If anyone of those elements was taken out of the equation, the Mad Celestials would have won. Not the greatest showing, but also not as pathetic as I originally thought.

While its confirmed now that Franklin didn't die , there's no proof that G-Man died either.....

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except we don't know that for sure at all . Hickman gave a bullsh1t reply to my Formspring query , and the artwork seemed to portray Galactus more as having been KOed rather than dead .

While its confirmed now that Franklin didn't die , there's no proof that G-Man died either.....

Originally posted by Galan007
That is essentially what I'm saying. Arishem is the most powerful member of the 4th Host-- much like Eson was the most powerful member of the MC's. Given how well Eson fared against adult Frank, I think it's logical to place him around Arishem's level. The other MC's, while still immensely powerful in their own right, really aren't much to write home about-- much like the other members of the 4th Host. That's why, in general, I liken the MC's to the 4th Host. Always have.

Then we have the Voltron Celestial, which was not only immensely larger than the sum of its parts, but also immensely more powerful-- able to kill a hugely amped Galactus with a single energy blast... I liken it to Exitar, who was>>the 4th Host combined. Always have.

Also , how do you think adult Frank compares to the 4-planet-roided-up Galactus ? I have seen many people claim that that version of Galactus was superior based on the fact that the MCs were forced to merge to beat him , while with adult Frank , they could have beaten him as a team alone .

Originally posted by zopzop
Hickman stated he was rezzed/recharged by Kid Franklin's power. There's nothing to discuss.

As I said before , Hickman essentially refused to give a proper reply to my query , so there's no proof that Big G was dead in those panels .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except we don't know that for sure at all . Hickman gave a bullsh1t reply to my Formspring query , and the artwork seemed to portray Galactus more as having been KOed rather than dead .

While its confirmed now that Franklin didn't die , there's no proof that G-Man died either.....

Yeah, we don't know for sure if Galactus was killed. That wasn't one of my questions; and he didn't really answer yours.

However, in one of his replies to another of my questions, he stated the following:

"Future Franklin recharged/resurrected Galactus using all the juice little Franklin had."

So, based on that reply, one might conclude that Galactus was, in fact, killed, as only the deceased can be "resurrected". You can't resurrect someone who isn't dead.

Originally posted by Doon
So, based on that reply, one might conclude that Galactus was, in fact, killed, as only the deceased can be "resurrected". You can't resurrect someone who isn't dead.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Rezzed/Recharged == Brought back from the dead ?

Rezzed (resurrected) does..

Originally posted by zopzop
That was the most impressive part of that reply. He rezzed AND RECHARGED Galactus to the point where he could continue fighting. Franklin is no joke.

Yeah, and in an older/previous response, JH stated that Galactus was "powered by Franklin".

Originally posted by zopzop
That was the most impressive part of that reply. He rezzed AND RECHARGED Galactus to the point where he could continue fighting. Franklin is no joke.

Originally posted by Doon
Yeah, we don't know for sure if Galactus was killed. That wasn't one of my questions; and he didn't really answer yours.

However, in one of his replies to another of my questions, he stated the following:

"Future Franklin recharged/resurrected Galactus using all the juice little Franklin had."

So, based on that reply, one might conclude that Galactus was, in fact, killed, as only the deceased can be "resurrected". You can't resurrect someone who isn't dead.

His refusal to give a proper answer to my query very clearly indicates that he wants to leave that particular illustration(of a smoldering Galactus sprawled on the ground) to fan interpretation . Like the ending scene of Inception .