Galactus vs The Celestials...

Started by Galan00744 pages

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Yeah it pretty much makes sense now .

Also , how do you think adult Frank compares to the 4-planet-roided-up Galactus ? I have seen many people claim that that version of Galactus was superior based on the fact that the MCs were forced to merge to beat him , while with adult Frank , they could have beaten him as a team alone .

When the MC's fought Galactus, there were 3 alive+a 4th Celestial's shell. They used ALL of those components when they merged. Then Voltron got blasted by Sol's Anvil, and the shell of the dead Celestial was perma-destroyed. Thus, they were already down 1 of those key components. When Frank fought them, he killed one of the remaining 3 Celestials in a span of 3 pages. Thus another key component was unavailable for the merger. At that point, who knows if fusing would have still been possible, let alone if it would have boosted them enough to defeat Frank? After all, Celestials combining is an entirely new concept that hasn't been explored in the slightest. We have no idea what it takes.

And if you remember, it wasn't until Galactus killed a Celestial that they decided to merge into Voltron-- before that, they were fighting Galactus one-on-one. This is identical to how they battled Frank, except once he killed a Celestial, there were only 2 remaining. Like I said above: even IF they were still able to merge, who knows if said amalgam would have been powerful enough to defeat Frank-- let alone Frank+his trump card, Galactus..?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He used the word "recharged" before the slash as well . Hickman was being ambiguous in that regard whether Galactus was just KOed or killed .

His refusal to give a proper answer to my query very clearly indicates that he wants to leave that particular illustration(of a smoldering Galactus sprawled on the ground) to fan interpretation . Like the ending scene of Inception .

Very well, then. Since I'm on a roll, I'll be the one to ask him this time. I'll post his reply if/when I get one.

Originally posted by Galan007
When the MC's fought Galactus, there were 3 alive+a 4th Celestial's shell. They used ALL of those components when they merged. Then Voltron got blasted by Sol's Anvil, and the shell of the dead Celestial was perma-destroyed. Thus, they were already down 1 of those key components. When Frank fought them, he killed one of the remaining 3 Celestials in a span of 3 pages. Thus another key component was unavailable for the merger. At that point, who knows if fusing would have still been possible, let alone if it would have boosted them enough to defeat Frank? After all, Celestials combining is an entirely new concept that hasn't been explored in the slightest. We have no idea what it takes.

And if you remember, it wasn't until Galactus killed a Celestial that they decided to merge into Voltron-- before that, they were fighting Galactus one-on-one. This is identical to how they battled Frank, except once he killed a Celestial, there were only 2 remaining. Like I said above: even IF they were still able to merge, who knows if said amalgam would have been powerful enough to defeat Frank-- let alone Frank+his trump card, Galactus..?

Very well said. Agreed.

Question asked. Stay tuned, gents.

Originally posted by Doon
Very well, then. Since I'm on a roll, I'll be the one to ask him this time. I'll post his reply if/when I get one.

Based on the number of questions that you seem to have asked him in the span of 2 days , he'll probably block you if you ask anymore questions like that .

Either that or you'll get another bullsh1t reply like I did .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Based on the number of questions that you seem to have asked him in the span of 2 days , he'll probably block you if you ask anymore questions like that .

Either that or you'll get another bullsh1t reply like I did .

I mentioned that it would be my final question regarding that particular book. We'll see..

Originally posted by guy222
hickman also stated he believes tiamut is the most powerful celestial

got a tweet from gaiman also

tiamut vs earth possibly in '13 wow


I am getting a feeling that the Dreamer will probably get involved in the upcoming Age of Ultron .

Ultron will take over a Celestial, watch.

...I'd actually laugh my ass off if this happened. It would be cool to see.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ultron will take over a Celestial, watch.

...I'd actually laugh my ass off if this happened. It would be cool to see.


If Mr Sinister could do it , then I have no doubt that Marvel would give Ultron a shot as well .

Not to mention that based on a page in a SHIELD issue , Adult Franklin and Hope Summers are going to get involved as well . Apart from the IG or Tiamut's power , I don't see anything else Earth-based(barring solid PIS) as being capable of getting adult Frank's attention .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
If Galactus did indeed die in that arc(for which there is no conclusive proof yet) , that feat of reviving him becomes even more impressive because this time young Franklin's powers weren't completely burnt out .

The difference however is that this time young Franklin had time (iirc) to store his energy (I think he said "saving it up), another point worth noting is that Young Franklin didn't revive Galactus directly like with the Abraxas affair, Galactus also wasn't turned into a sun this time around. So the two situations are very different in the outset, atleast from my perspective.

To me it seems as a very large amount of energy was needed to Recharge/Revive Galactus. A energy level that had Adult Franklin tried it under his own power, he would either have burned out or had nothing left to fight the Celestials with (based on Young Franklins power being needed). But that is just my take on it.

If Hickman is handling the Avengers, I shouldn't be a shitfest for once. 👆

Originally posted by Utrigita
The difference however is that this time young Franklin had time (iirc) to store his energy, also to me atleast it seems as a very large amount of energy was needed to Recharge/Revive Galactus, a energy level that had Adult Franklin tried it under his own power, he would either have burned out or had nothing left to fight the Celestials with (based on Young Franklins power being needed). But that is just my take on it.

That's a pretty logical assessment , however that is only if we take into consideration that Galactus was dead or not . Based on what was shown on-panel , I highly doubt the former happened .

Btw , according to Valeria , Roma trained them both for the specific reason of reviving Galactus in the Abraxas saga . I don't know what level of prep that was , but it can't be denied that in both cases prep was involved regarding Frank resurrecting/rejuvenating Galactus .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Not to mention that based on a page in a SHIELD issue , Adult Franklin and Hope Summers are going to get involved as well .

That might be from an alternate future.

Originally posted by Doon
That might be from an alternate future.

The Franklin shown was the same as the adult Frank that has been running around in the recent F4/FF titles .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Btw , according to Valeria , Roma trained them both for the specific reason of reviving Galactus in the Abraxas saga . I don't know what level of prep that was , but it can't be denied that in both cases prep was involved regarding Frank resurrecting/rejuvenating Galactus .

I had forgotten that, however as edited into my post above, the two situations are in their offset very different, in one incident we have a Galactus that is turned into a sun, in the other situation we have a physical form of Galactus that is KO/killed (and given Galactus history I doubt the killed part as well).

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The Franklin shown was the same as the adult Frank that has been running around in the recent F4/FF titles .

I know, but there are still parallel realities where that specific Adult Franklin exists right?

Originally posted by Doon
I know, but there are still parallel realities where that specific Adult Franklin exists right?

What parallel realities ? As far as I recall , he's the 616 version . That's the way Hickman portrayed him in #604(via Nathaniel's statements) , and his mainstream status was confirmed in #605 .

^ Yeah, adult Frank was definitely intended to be the older version of 616 Franklin.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What parallel realities ? As far as I recall , he's the 616 version . That's the way Hickman portrayed him in #604(via Nathaniel's statements) , and his mainstream status was confirmed in #605 .

No no.. I mean the version shown in SHIELD. Just because he looks exactly the same as the 616 adult version seen in recent issues of F4 and FF, that doesn't mean he's from the same reality.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Yeah, adult Frank was definitely intended to be the older version of 616 Franklin.

I'm saying the version shown in SHIELD might be an alternate version of the 616 Future Franklin seen in recent F4 issues.