Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Either that or you'll get another bullsh1t reply like I did .
Heh. You were right (sorta).
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Either that or you'll get another bullsh1t reply like I did .
Heh. You were right (sorta).
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
What parallel realities ? As far as I recall , he's the 616 version . That's the way Hickman portrayed him in #604(via Nathaniel's statements) , and his mainstream status was confirmed in #605 .
Just to clarify, yes, the Adult Franklin from Hickman's run is indeed the 616 version. What I'm saying, though, is I'm not sure if the versions of Adult Franklin and Hope Summers seen in S.H.I.E.L.D #4 are from that reality (616) despite the fact that they look exactly the same; many parallel versions have been known to mirror each other in almost every way. That said, I think you're right, but you never know.
Originally posted by Galan007
What I'm saying is that, while the power of 616 Celestials seems to vary, we don't really know what that variance is-- never have. We know that a no-name, seemingly base-level Celestial, possessed a transinfinite level of power several orders of magnitude beyond that of a cube being. On the other end of the spectrum, we know that the most powerful Celestials(Scathan and Tiamut, for instance) appeared to possess Supreme Being-esque type of power. In the middle, we have the more mainstream 4th Host (which, imo, is where the Mad Celestials would fall), and we also have Exitar, who is more powerful than the 4th Host combined (which, imo, is where the Voltron Celestial would fall.)I think it's logical to place the MC's in that neck of the woods. /shrug
well..i agree with that..i have always put the Voltron Celestials at Exitar level..and the rouge at around 4th host level..but Hickman answer doesn't really confirm that..he just gave general answer..but it seems like Doon only ask that question to prove Zopzop was wrong..not to establish their true power level..
Originally posted by Doon
Just to clarify, yes, the Adult Franklin from Hickman's run is indeed the 616 version. What I'm saying, though, is I'm not sure if the versions of Adult Franklin and Hope Summers seen in S.H.I.E.L.D #4 are from that reality (616) despite the fact that they look exactly the same; many parallel versions have been known to mirror each other in almost every way. That said, I think you're right, but you never know.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Many FUTURE versions from different parallel realities have looked the same ?
Sure! Hyperstorm, for example, is the son of an alternate future Franklin Richards and alternate Rachel Summers. This particular version of FR looked exactly like Psi-Lord, who was, at one point, the 616 future Franklin from DeFalco's run (until he was erased from the timestream). And the version of Rachel looks just like the one we know from future Earth-811.
Originally posted by DoonGiven all of the other 616-esque artwork seen on those splash-pages + the fact that Hickman is writing SHIELD, Fantastic Four, AND FF (the latter of which hugely involve 616 adult Franklin), I think the implication is definitely that they were viewing the 616 universe along its past, present and future timelines:
What I'm saying, though, is I'm not sure if the versions of Adult Franklin and Hope Summers seen in S.H.I.E.L.D #4 are from that reality (616) despite the fact that they look exactly the same;
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I am still not convinced that that was an alternate universe incarnation . Especially considering the fact that AoU is an upcoming Marvel Big Event , and the SHIELD machine was , in all likelihood , traversing the 616-timeline .
Yeah, I'm not convinced myself. I think it's a possibility though -- that's all I'm trying to convey.
Originally posted by Galan007
Given all of the other 616-esque artwork seen on those splash-pages + the fact that Hickman is writing SHIELD, Fantastic Four, AND FF (the latter of which hugely involve 616 adult Franklin), I think the implication is definitely that they were viewing the 616 universe along its past, present and future timelines:
It looks like a mix to me. For instance, the New Avengers team shown in the second splash page hail from Earth-555326.
Originally posted by Doon
It looks like a mix to me. For instance, the New Avengers team shown in the second splash page hail from Earth-555326.
Just like how he referenced the Earth X storyline of Celestials being born in planetary cores , despite the fact that in mainstream continuity a Celestial was born from a dying galaxy .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerHm, that's a great point. Didn't think of that, tbh.
Hickman is probably going to align his Avengers roster along the lines of that reality's Avengers .Just like how he referenced the Earth X storyline of Celestials being born in planetary cores , despite the fact that in mainstream continuity a Celestial was born from a dying galaxy .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Hickman is probably going to align his Avengers roster along the lines of that reality's Avengers .Just like how he referenced the Earth X storyline of Celestials being born in planetary cores , despite the fact that in mainstream continuity a Celestial was born from a dying galaxy .
I hope that's not the case. Although I don't mind seeing how 616-based characters turn out in the future, I'm not crazy about the idea of seeing certain details of their lives already plotted out or set in stone. It's nice to leave some details open-ended.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^^That's probably what's gonna happen .He didn't really give much consideration as to how 616-Celestials were born , when he wrote the Goddess/Starchild storyline .
Why should this be any different ?
Things can always be different for a number of reasons, editorial decisions, for one. 🙂
