Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympushaha he hasn't has he. i'm just exposing you using completely illegitimate out of character battle tactics...remember we on kmc dont debate powersets, but rather characters. just because a character can do something doesn't mean he will.
I'm no longer indulging you and your completely asinine conditions.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
A mad and wild Wolverine has no answers to cosmic storm summoning, planet busting strength packed strikes, absorbing his ring's energy with Mjolnir, etc. Thor has way too many options here. He beats real Lanterns for the majority, let alone Wolverine with a power ring.
thor won't be able to convert thought into action before logan is slashing away at him at warp speed. thor would be mince meat before an esoteric
attack with mjolnir (like draining the ring, cosmic storms, etc) could even be manifested.
as for his busting strength. logan has taken hits from a similarly powered
opponent like gladiator....& gladiator couldn't even KO logan. and of course logan recently went right through gladiator with his claws. not to mention that WW hulk couldn't KO logan with several up close haymakers.
with the red lantern ring's added shields & durability....thor isn't going to fair any better.
Originally posted by Starscream M
haha he hasn't has he. i'm just exposing you using completely illegitimate out of character battle tactics...remember we on kmc dont debate powersets, but rather characters. just because a character can do something doesn't mean he will.
Yeah, which is why no one is arguing Thor Godblasts Wolverine or soul sucks him or shoots him into the sun for the win.
Weather manipulation, on the other hand, is a tried and true tactic of Thor's, especially on a massive scale.
I'm not even bothering to seriously cite Thor's highest end feats unless I want to be spiteful toward Logan.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankjake, explain what weather manipulation is going to do to a herald class character
Yeah, which is why no one is arguing Thor Godblasts Wolverine or soul sucks him or shoots him into the sun for the win.Weather manipulation, on the other hand, is a tried and true tactic of Thor's, especially on a massive scale.
I'm not even bothering to seriously cite Thor's highest end feats unless I want to be spiteful toward Logan.
Originally posted by Starscream M
haha he hasn't has he. i'm just exposing you using completely illegitimate out of character battle tactics...remember we on kmc dont debate powersets, but rather characters. just because a character can do something doesn't mean he will.
Thor has used his weather powers against a humanoid being before. But that's irrelevant.
I could post Thor using it specifically on a mutant, and you'd then ask me to post him using it on a X-men.
If I did that, you'd then ask me to post him using it on someone with Logan's specific height.
Then you'd ask for someone with the same amount of body hair and so on.
Once you make up your mind about something no matter how illogical the stance is, you'll continually do whatever you can to maintain it, even if you have to come up with the most stupid arguments ever.
All I have to do is point out that in their very first fight, Thor realized that fighting Logan at close range was unnecessarily dangerous, here he has a power up that allows him to fly, he wouldn't let him get in close now.
Originally posted by wildernesss
thor won't be able to convert thought into action before logan is slashing away at him at warp speed. thor would be mince meat before an esoteric
attacks with mjolnir (like draining the ring, cosmic storms, etc) would slow logan down enough.as for his busting strength. logan has taken hits from a similarly powered
opponent like gladiator....& gladiator couldn't even KO logan. and of course logan recently went right through gladiator with his claws. not to mention that WW hulk couldn't KO logan with several up close haymakers.with the red lantern ring's added shields & durability....thor isn't going to fair any better.
Logan's not slashing anybody at "warp speed". Get that straight, first of all. Do you understand just how fast warp speed is? Lanterns fly at that speed through spacial warps to get from point A to point B when traveling with take longer than their typical flight speed in atmosphere. They sure as shit don't fight at that speed. And there's no reason to believe that Logan will achieve that speed in the course of battle, let alone fight at it. Superman doesn't even fight at warp speed.
Vague levels of shields and durability, huh? Post some Red Lantern feats, any of them, really. Feel free to show me these defenses that will be too much for Thor to overcome.
Hell, it doesn't even matter because Red Lanterns, being the raging maniacs there are, don't even utilize the ring outside of crude plasma breath and the occasional constructs (ie. Hal/Guy). Logan's not creating shields to defend himself with realistically given his temperament and the power ring's influence over its host.
Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, explain what weather manipulation is going to do to a herald class character
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Thor's weather manipulation is easily Herald level in power and can go beyond when he wants it to.
Originally posted by wildernesss
thor won't be able to convert thought into action before logan is slashing away at him at warp speed. thor would be mince meat before an esoteric
attack with mjolnir (like draining the ring, cosmic storms, etc) could even be manifested.
What in the hell do they put in the drinking water where your from?
Originally posted by Starscream M
jake, explain what weather manipulation is going to do to a herald class character
-Send Gladiator flying away from him.
-Completely immobilize Hulk in his tracks with rain. RAIN.
-Knock out the Hulk
-Disperse and damage the Void.
-Cause Glory pain for the first time, ever.
-Effect the Chaos King.
-Etc.
-Etc.
-Etc.
Seriously, you can't be this dense. You really can't be.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankLogan's not slashing anybody at "warp speed". Get that straight, first of all. Do you understand just how fast warp speed is? Lanterns fly at that speed through spacial warps to get from point A to point B when traveling with take longer than their typical flight speed in atmosphere. They sure as shit don't fight at that speed. And there's no reason to believe that Logan will achieve that speed in the course of battle, let alone fight at it. Superman doesn't even fight at warp speed.
Vague levels of shields and durability, huh? Post some Red Lantern feats, any of them, really. Feel free to show me these defenses that will be too much for Thor to overcome.
Hell, it doesn't even matter because Red Lanterns, being the raging maniacs there are, don't even utilize the ring outside of crude plasma breath and the occasional constructs (ie. Hal/Guy). Logan's not creating shields to defend himself with realistically given his temperament and the power ring's influence over its host.
"warp speed" was hyperbole on my part; it's simply the fact that even logan's STANDARD speed & combat speed was demonstrably superior to thor's. add the ring's flight & enhanced stats including speed & thor would literally be in pieces on the ground within a few moments if he was preoccupied with esoteric hammer usage, instead of defending himself.
regardless of shields, logan's durability would be enhanced in addition to his already uber HF.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI don't know where you get the gall to insult me
Your under the assumption that Thor's weather powers are limited by mother nature or something.I have no idea why but your mind has always worked in mysterious ways.
we used to debate thor vs hulk in circles and guess what...I was friggin right, marvel does intend that hulk is the more powerful of the two.
at that time, you called me dumb as well...but I was proven right.
Originally posted by wildernesss
"warp speed" was hyperbole on my part; it's simply the fact that even logan's STANDARD speed & combat speed was demonstrably superior to thor's. add the ring's flight & enhanced stats including speed & thor would literally be in pieces on the ground within a few moments if he was preoccupoed with esoteric hammer usage, instead of defending himself.regardless of shields, logan's durability would be enhanced in addition to his already uber HF.
Well, at least we got somewhere productive concerning warp speed.
The ring will just make Logan fly and fly fast. It doesn't boost his cognitive functions; he's still human or meta or whatever you want to call him when it comes to reaction time. Hal Jordan can ask his ring to auto-target, but if a target is moving faster than light or faster than his still human brain functions, he can't hit them (ie. Airwave). Logan being able to fly fast doesn't make him a super speedster in the vein of Gladiator or Hyperion or Superman. And super speed + flight doesn't equal auto-win against Thor, either. Not sure how that idea even got formulated to begin with.
The idea that Thor would somehow be carved up and left to Logan's mercy is just ridiculous considering Thor's feats. At absolute worse, he's just below Wolverine in terms of reaction time as a whole. At best, he's reacted instaneously and defended against incredibly fast attacks. In order for your scenario to even be plausible, you'd literally have to ignore every instance of Thor moving fast enough to attack and counter attack and essentially assume that Wolverine will tag him without repercussion and assume those attacks will be fatal.
Not even the comic everyone cites on Logan's behalf, Thor vs. Wolverine, supports that idea.
How much more enhanced? You can't arbitrarily dictate a level of enhancement without citing some feats or usage of a Red Lantern ring. Which I've asked for several times already.