DE Sidious vs Sith Emperor

Originally posted by ChainOfLove
Then rather than assert definitive statements that are ultimately irrelevant to the actual discussion, you make like a good lawyer and cover your ass. This is why in all our interactions I emphasize the use of semantics and clever wordplay; do it well enough and your enemies will hate you for it, but they'll be unable to do to you what Ares and I are doing to you right now.

There was no reason for you to even bring the other Sith factions into this beyond a last-ditch attempt to undermine the argument that Sidious would have had knowledge of Vitiate because of his high profile nature in Sithdom.

This is getting easier by the minute. Especially every time you desperately cling to the idea of a victory or a concession.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Still pretending to win while getting your ass kicked? I suggest you ignore more and more posts so you maintain that belief.

No doubt another nugget of wisdom doled out to you at "law school."

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
No, you desperately tried to claim Sidious had knowledge of Vitiate and his empire by citing the latter's apparent success and superiority which would mean Sidious would undoubtedly know about him/it.

I'm not sure how it was desperate. As Ares has pointed out, nothing you said contradicts the idea that Sidious would have known of Vitiate based on his accomplishments.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I refuted that with the claim that his Empire wasn't the alrgest, nor most successful. Again, good try.

No, you counterclaimed. You'd only refute if you could be bothered to, you know, provide adequate sources.

Your word, please, that you'll seek out the relevant sources and the full quotes.

Originally posted by ChainOfLove
No doubt another nugget of wisdom doled out to you at "law school."

I'm not sure how it was desperate. As Ares has pointed out, nothing you said contradicts the idea that Sidious would have known of Vitiate based on his accomplishments.

Palpatine, arguably the mythos's foremost expert on the Force, Sith, and their relevant history, would be reasonably expected to have knowledge of the individual who is arguably his most successful and historically important precedessor

No, you counterclaimed. You'd only refute if you could be bothered to, you know, provide adequate sources.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
No, just one you will learn painfully should you ever get accepted into law school.

Undoubtedly my time at "law school" would be painful if your present abilities were honed there.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Suggesting that if vitiate and his empire weren't "arguably" the most successful and important, Sidious wouldn't be reasonably expected to know about it. That's what we law school students like to call a contrapositive.

Which is tantamount to saying that a guitar enthusiast would be unlikely know of Eddie Van Halen simply because EVH isn't Jimmy Hendrix, which is logically unsound. Setting aside the fact remains that you've yet to provide adequate sources and quotes for your claim, Vitiate doesn't have to inarguably be the most successful Sith prior to Sidious for Sidious to have known about it, given his knowledge of far more esoteric and obscure cults and personages-- Vitiate's prominence simply affords greater likelihood that Sidious would know.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
you'd jump through hoops to find the exact quotes.

Yeah, that's kind of what providing sources is all about. Shame that they didn't teach you that in "law school."

Originally posted by ChainOfLove
Undoubtedly my time at "law school" would be painful if your present abilities were honed there.

Which is tantamount to saying that a guitar enthusiast would be unlikely know of Eddie Van Halen simply because EVH isn't Jimmy Hendrix, which is logically unsound. Setting aside the fact remains that you've yet to provide adequate sources and quotes for your claim, Vitiate doesn't have to inarguably be the most successful Sith prior to Sidious for Sidious to have known about it, given his knowledge of far more esoteric and obscure cults and personages-- Vitiate's prominence simply affords greater likelihood that Sidious would know.

Yeah, that's kind of what providing sources is all about. Shame that they didn't teach you that in "law school." [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Your time would be agonizingly short if you continued on your current course.

Indeed, I'd have so many habits to rid myself of: My patience, my ability to remain on my point, my tendency to properly provide and cite sources when asked. Just dreadful idiosyncrasies that would make me an outcast amongst the likes of you.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Good god, you're considering law school and you don't even understand how contrapositives work. No child, your example is horrible. Let me see if I can dumb this down for you. Your premise was that Sidious knew about Vitiate and his empire precisely because he is an expert on the force and the sith and he is expected to know about Vitiate/True Sith BECAUSE they were arguably the most successful. That means if they weren't the most successful, then he isn't reasonably expected to know about them. You see how this works?
If A, then B.
If not B, then not A.

But again, Vitiate doesn't have to be Sidious's most prominent predecessor for a historian and expert of his pedigree to be aware of him.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
It's tough to understand how you're getting by in undergraduate with the type of hypocrisy and double standards provided by someone who failed to get his GED.

Not nearly as tough as understanding how someone who can barely spell GED and is allergic to providing sources managed to get into "law school" to begin with.

Originally posted by ChainOfLove
Indeed, I'd have so many habits to rid myself of: My patience, my ability to remain on my point, my tendency to properly provide and cite sources when asked. Just dreadful idiosyncrasies that would make me an outcast amongst the likes of you.

But again, Vitiate doesn't have to be Sidious's most prominent predecessor for a historian and expert of his pedigree to be aware of him.

Not nearly as tough as understanding how someone who can barely spell GED and is allergic to providing sources managed to get into "law school" to begin with. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Your inability to stay on point, your lack of self awareness, your horrible use of analogies, your ability to pick and choose. Yea, you have the whole package🙂

Your fixation with my package is titillating, how long have you been a homosexual?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm sorry, I'm going by your claim. Your ability to stay consistent is below par.

Nowhere did I claim that the only way Sidious would be cognizant of Vitiate's existence is if Vitiate were his most successful predecessor.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm surprised you were able to form that sentence after the previous self pwnage analogy . 😆

Isn't it amazing that people can construct sentences without the aid of "law school"?

Originally posted by ChainOfLove
Nowhere did I claim that the only way Sidious would be cognizant of Vitiate's existence is if Vitiate were his most successful predecessor.

Isn't it amazing that people can construct sentences without the aid of "law school"? [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm using your mastery of the "playing dumb" tactic

I wasn't aware that asking for sources is the "playing dumb" tactic. Guess who asked for sources first here?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
and looking at your text and nothing more. Your premise and conclusion were subject to being refuted by a contrapositive.

It would be, if I claimed that the only way Sidious would have known of Vitiate is if Vitiate were his most successful predecessor.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
It's unfortunate that those people are unable to use proper analogies without the aid of "law school."

Well, clearly "law school" transforms its "students" into "masterful debaters."

Originally posted by ChainOfLove
I wasn't aware that asking for sources is the "playing dumb" tactic. Guess who asked for sources first here?

It would be, if I claimed that the only way Sidious would have known of Vitiate is if Vitiate were his most successful predecessor.

Well, clearly "law school" transforms its "students" into "masterful debaters." [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
No, asking me to provide the exact quotes when you have the material available to you while I do not.

And who's to say that I have any of these sources on hand?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
That's playing dumb.

No, it's asking you to fulfill your burden of proof.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You didn't have to use the qualifier "only". Your statement suggested the logical progress of "If A, then B". I simply turned that around to "If not B, not A". You like to preach logic on this forum, I was just practicing it🙂

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Sidious's knowledge of Vitiate isn't conditional on Vitiate being his most successful predecessor.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
While GED and the lower levels of undergrad allows students to trip over themselves when presenting analogies.

I'd say it's certainly better than the allergy "law school" induces, regarding the citing of sources.

Originally posted by ChainOfLove
And who's to say that I have any of these sources on hand?

No, it's asking you to fulfill your burden of proof.

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Sidious's knowledge of Vitiate isn't conditional on Vitiate being his most successful predecessor.

I'd say it's certainly better than the allergy "law school" induces, regarding the citing of sources. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You've repeatedly stated that you have those sources in the past..

me
And who's to say that I have any of these sources on hand?

I already explained to you that I don't have the Atlas on hand, even though I own it. I do own The New Essential Chronology and Path of Destruction, but that doesn't mean that they're on my person at all times. Hence why when I failed to provide the quote from the Atlas, I promised you that I would endeavor to find it elsewhere or at a later time when I did have it on hand.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I know it doesn't, but that's what your statement suggested. In case you're still failing to grasp the obvious, I'm reading your statement at face value.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
If you can't use analogies properly in college, I'm not sure how you can even begin to learn how to cite sources in law school.

Are you asking me to teach you how to locate and use proper sources? Based on your difficulties, it will be a difficult education, but I'm sure my gifts will enable you to achieve mastery of it.

No I think I have it down. If you want though I can get my 12 year old cousin to teach you the proper use of analogies.

I'll be willing to teach you how to spot and avoid contrapositives for sexual favors.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
No I think I have it down.

That your burden remains unfulfilled suggests otherwise.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
If you want though I can get my 12 year old cousin to teach you the proper use of analogies.

Since I'm becoming increasingly convinced that your "law school" is synonymous with "daycare", I'm afraid I must respectfully decline.

It's easy to confuse the two when you're unable to deal with conditional statements or the proper use of analogies. I forgive you.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
It's easy to confuse the two when you're unable to deal with conditional statements or the proper use of analogies. I forgive you.

Your forgiveness is as welcome as your obedience. I was afraid you'd never forgive me for crushing you so thoroughly beneath the weight of my logically sound and inescapably valid arguments, just as your virginity was crushed beneath the rigid length of your boyfriend's erect penis.

When can I expect the quotes and their sources, by the way?

I'm not sure you understand the concepts of "logical" or "valid" when your argument gets felled by a simple LSAT practice tactics. You can expect them whenever you like. The torrent says 12 minutes.. Give or take.

Jesus, just make out already.