Originally posted by NemeBroYour point was an idiot. Sometimes I wonder who helps you out with most of your incomplete nonsensical statements but I will assume your mother was at work for this one. Wah.
Your point was an idiot.And more ad hominem attacks without really arguing anything. What a sour grape you can be.
The Titans hurt far more powerful characters than the Balrog. You can't prove the Balrog can shrug off attacks that can kill powerful gods who'd rape the Balrog. Conclusion: Titans win.
It can be broken by a more powerful wizard. Something the Titans are not.Not sure how any of this relates to the Balrog.[/B]
I understand Gandalf has magical means but I've seen those means fail against Saruman and the Witch King. Both characters have been humiliated/defeated by far less than the Titans. So despite the sea god creating a tidal wave and the fact the Titans mercilessly slaughtered him and his friends that isn't proof now.....well color you biased.
He fought Gandalf in an open space (And was in fact able to get direct hits on him, as shown during the freefall), and Gandalf has magical means to protect himself, such as shields. We have seen this. The Titans are just sort of fast with no notable amount of strength, wielding shitty weapons and are in a small space. To be honest? The Balrog could bring the walls down on them in the place they fought the gods.Afraid not, on both counts. For instance, I think the Balrog would beat Saruman, who beat Gandalf (Not easily, mind you), because Saruman seems to be less of a martial combatant than Gandalf. [/B]
You have no proof the Balrog could best Saruman. None at all. Just because Saruman didn't get into a sword fight doesn't mean he lacks the skills it just means we didn't see it on screen. Try and think.
So despite them killing gods you dismiss all of that and say they weren't armed with anything impressive ignoring the fact a dagger critically wounded Saruman who bested Gandalf who stalemated the Balrog. Interesting.
Technically correct, in that some were armed with something besides wittle daggers. But they aren't armed with anything impressive.Looking at the video now, some of them were armed with nothing more than a ****ing rock. 😐 And what appears to be at best a little metal spike, at worst a sharp stick. 😬 None of their weaponry is impressive, all looks, as ninjak has been saying, scavenged from the floor.[/B]
Forget about the fact they are killing gods just pretend it's sticks and random rocks. You're so simple. I kinda enjoy your simplicity. Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.
Forget about the tidal wave feat or Zeus' strength feat. They in your mind are weak gods killed by random twigs and pebbles.
The gods don't appear durable at all, being killed by some pretty unimpressive weaponry, and with seemingly only one impressive feat, that is not a durability feat.The Balrog fell a multi-kilometer fall (And considering the size of it, it would hit the ground with much more force than something human-sized), and sword strikes from Gandalf, while capably of cutting it, could not do much damage alone.
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We didn't see the balrog hit the ground or anything so we can't assume and Poseidon didn't have any damage and created a greater force than anything 10 Balrogs could create working in unison. Gandalf did do damage but not enough to defeat it but then again the weak Balrog couldn't hurt him either despite all his attention against a feeble old man.
Why block attacks when you can dodge ? Seriously, please don't respond on your own these responses aren't well thought out.
Gandalf can block attacks in ways the Titans can not. In this battlefield, the Balrog can bring down the walls on top of them.I'm sorry, but while you may not be able to understand this, calculating feats reasonably is a far more reliable method to get an idea of the relative powers of characters from different verses rather than going by personal interpretation, which is unreliable and leads to some derpy shit.
Said Hobbit snuck up on the Witch King and stabbed him with a (Magic, I think? Might be confusing the movie with the books) dagger. [/B]
The Balrog isn't going to and the quicker gods were getting routed and on a last ditch effort did so.
You can't calculate it and most of the time are ignoring their portrayal and the inconsistent nature of what does hurt them. 🙂
Yes, a hobbit and a woman bested him. Aragorn bested him and other Nazgul with a torch and a sword. How impressive the guy who owned Gandalf is.
Just laughing at your methods.
Also, humanity? Are you trying to take some kind of moral stance against me for implementing calculations? 😆Lol, give me a feat from Poseidon that isn't creating a tidal wave. The gods were shitty in that battle, comparitively. [/B]
So you ignore the feat and want more ? The feat happened and is canon. The Titans were strong enough to hurt someone capable of that kind of mass destruction.
Just log into msn and retreat to your friends.
Well considering I never said he couldn't...I don't want to hear about the kind of sick shit you do in your free time.
So maturity = Ad hominem attacks and butthurt raging?[/B]
That's the problem you don't know enough about and started trolling without even being familiar with the subject matter.
You have been led to believe some strange things.I will get someone to verify that second part.
The Lich King was incapable of being killed by a man, it had to be a woman to do so.
Not sure how any of this has anything to do with the Balrog though.
The Titans were getting blitzed and torn to pieces by the gods individually. [/B]
Because the gods are slightly faster and aren't feral like the Titans.
I love hearing you admit your wrong.
I never argued the point, so I'm not sure why you're so excited to hear it.Are you so traumatised by being wrong so often that being right at anything gives you a sexual thrill?
No. Physically, what you are suggesting is impossible, there are too many Titans in too small an area to evade everything.
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It's just enjoyable for you to admit you were wrong to me. I eat it up. 🙂
Why not ? There are too many to make a difference to the Balrog even dwindling their numbers.
Yes, he did little despite his friends lives being on the line. The guy helps out here and there and gets embarrassed throughout the films multiple times. Quit clinging to his Balrog fight.
I'd love to prove you wrong, but I can't seem to find a decent video of the cave troll fight, for some reason. Gandalf did little in the fight, and did not release his full power regardless.Not really. Chronicles of Riddick didn't do so well critically. I loved it.
I was actually interested in Immortals... Until I saw that really lame fight scene Robtard posted. [/B]
It was ok. I see the movie I don't take another man's opinion into account. I am my own man you aren't. It's cool.
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Also, the Titans in the movie ****ing suck. I love fiction based on mythology, hence being a fan of God of War, but those Titans are ****ing garbage to the extreme, the Titans in God of War or ****ing Disney's Hercules are far more impressive. Same with the gods, really.
I am pretty confident when I say My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, has far better writing than Immortals.
And that they have at least one character who can beat all of the Titans and gods at once. 😱 [/B][/QUOTE] I don't care what else you like you didn't see the movie yet are saying they are garbage. I don't respect ignorance.
More ignorance.
More ignorance.
You admitted you were wrong in this very thread I am not wrong and won't lie to appease your fragile psyche.
Obviously you are incorrect.[/B]
Your opinion is irrelevant to the thread. You don't know enough you keep saying wait until someone else tells me. That's sad.
Irrelevant to this thread, but it is so cute how you almost acknowledge your feeble argument by trying to sidetrack me.Well no, for the same reason Poseidon from God of War diving into the water was not a durability feat.
I'll get back to you on Zeus' temple destroying feat, but Poseidon creating a tidal wave clearly doesn't translate into impressive combat abilities. [/B]
I know nothing counts unless you say so. LOL.
Sure, get back to me when you aren't as ignorant.
Originally posted by NemeBroWhy not ? Are you saying their weapons won't harm it or are you saying they aren't fast enough to dance all around it ? Which is it ?
No it wouldn't, and once more, you are trying to sidetrack me. Stop silly boy.
Yeah, just random clubs and pebbles they found on the ground. Good one. To kill the gods how can you claim they are shit. Look at Gandalf's sword and staff which was easily broken later on.The best weapon they have appears to be a rusty bronze bar with a slab of metal on the end, used as a mace. 😐 Their weapons are shit.
All of them might beat the Cave Troll, maybe, but many would die as well. 🙂[/B]
So, you call yourself intelligent and say they might beat one cave troll. 😂
His friends were in trouble that's weak offensive capabilities if he can't save his friends from a slow idiotic cave troll. I know. I feel kinda bad for you.
At no point was Gandalf in danger against the troll.I wasn't joking.[/B]
Says the guy who argues threads he isn't aware of.
What a cop-out.I am challenging you to provide the feats that enable the Titans to kill the Balrog.
Sadly, it appears you are incapable of this...
I can smell the butthurt.[/B]
Points to the gods feats which are far more impressive than the Balrog's and laughs at you. What attacks did the Balrog resist again ?
The only butthurt you smell is from your own backside.
Better than a crappy magical staff easily broken by the Witch King and some random sword which didn't break against the Balrog.
Their weaponry seems to consists of rusted, scrap-metal clubs, shivs, and rocks. That's not exactly an impressive arsenal. [/B]
What weapon broke off against his skin ?
Originally posted by NemeBroPlease just grab a kleenex and continue on. Don't try to turn this into anything other than the debate. I don't want to hear about your life.
I am learning more and more that the Titans are not impressive. Sorry, but my internet reputation is obviously far better than your's. 💃Ah, now you make assumptions about my life outside the forum. What a sad clown you are, yes I have people on this forum I talk to on MSN, but I also know people IRL as well, silly little girl.
Originally posted by RobtardGandalf harmed the Balrog with a sword. It didn't break off so please back up the claim they can't hurt him.
You've yet to prove they could harm the Balrog to begin with.Speed is a superb advantage to have, but considering the Titans can't harm the Balrog, speed matters not.
Greatest feats, learn it, follow it.
It's not for me to prove it, scalpel. It's on you. You can't, so you dance. Balrog is immune to normal weapons, as stated. Titans seem to use non-magical weapons, useless you have something.
Now you're dancing again. He wasn't burned, cos he's immune as seen. I never commented if it was magic, an item or a natural ability. What you still dodge, the Titans being immune or not to the Balrog's fire. Dodger.
You need to prove they can't hurt the Balrog. It's your claim.
And I look at other feats. Greatest feats are gods creating tidal waves and bringing down temples. The Titans were slaughtering them. This is fun.
Gandalf's normal sword sure seemed to hurt him. The fellowship wasn't up to par here because the fellowship was rather weak. The Titans aren't weak.
Since when was it ever stated you need magical weapons to kill the Balrog by your logic an a bomb wouldn't hurt it. 😂
He used shields. Without his staff or his powers he isn't immune to fire. LOL. Cite evidence that states he's immune to fire. Wow.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Gandalf harmed the Balrog with a sword. It didn't break off so please back up the claim they can't hurt him.You need to prove they can't hurt the Balrog. It's your claim.
And I look at other feats. Greatest feats are gods creating tidal waves and bringing down temples. The Titans were slaughtering them. This is fun.
Gandalf's normal sword sure seemed to hurt him. The fellowship wasn't up to par here because the fellowship was rather weak. The Titans aren't weak.
Since when was it ever stated you need magical weapons to kill the Balrog by your logic an a bomb wouldn't hurt it. 😂
He used shields. Without his staff or his powers he isn't immune to fire. LOL. Cite evidence that states he's immune to fire. Wow.
He harmed/killed it via magic. Pay attention when you watch the LoTR youtube clips.
Fellowship/Gandalf proves mere weapons are useless against the Balrog. Pay attention.
Posiondon's tidal wave ability means what here? Make a case. Zeus having a high level of strength in bringing down the mountain means what to your argument when the Titans didn't harm him, he escaped. Did you not pay attention to the fight?
Watch the damn film, Gandalf clearly stated that normal weapons are useless against it. This is basic LoTR film knowledge.
LoL, a strawman tactic. Ignoring. Another dodge, lol. Repeat: prove the Titans can get close to the Balrog without burning from its flames using movie feats from them.
Originally posted by RobtardSo you're saying anything nonmagical can't hurt it. Prove it. 🙂
He harmed/killed it via magic. Pay attention when you watch the LoTR youtube clips.Fellowship/Gandalf proves mere weapons are useless against the Balrog. Pay attention.
Posiondon's tidal wave ability means what here? Make a case. Zeus having a high level of strength in bringing down the mountain means what to your argument when the Titans didn't harm him, he escaped. Did you not pay attention to the fight?
Watch the damn film, Gandalf clearly stated that normal weapons are useless against it. This is basic LoTR film knowledge.
LoL, a strawman tactic. Ignoring. Another dodge, lol. Repeat: prove the Titans can get close to the Balrog without burning from its flames using movie feats from them.
No, since we see Gandalf strike him with just his sword the fellowship was useless here despite one member faring better against multiple Nazgul than just Gandalf the White.
It shows how powerful the gods are. The Titans were wrecking them Zeus included. He left because he was dead had he stayed. It's that simple.
Despite him using a regular sword. The point was his fellowship would only get killed as they were weak unlike the Titans.
Prove the Balrog can burst anyone into flames in close proximity. You made the claim now back it up.
Originally posted by PwnedThey weren't looking away they were getting killed in combat. In battle kills count. It was war and the Titans had numbers and were mauling them.
Look, Quanchi, it is like this: The only time the gods died they were either distracted or looking away. Kills form behind don't constitute a great feat. And the blurs they were to Theseus? Well, a head injury can mess with your vision.
It's clear the gods were too fast for mortals to ever really track a bead on yet the Titans were killing them. 2+2=4.
Funny thing, I never said they didn't count. I said they weren't a great feat, since they were from behind or while they were distracted. Athena was looking a different direction. Dude, any time a god died, it was a stab in the back that caused it. Besides, you are comparing these guys to who slaughtered them. Your logic is coming across as "Ok, so they are very fast. The gods slaughtered them, but they managed to kill 4 of them. So therefore, they are very very powerful because of how powerful the gods are." Face the fact, if the gods hadn't been stabbed from behind, they would have continued killing Titans. And they aren't that fast when not running.
Go watch what happened to Theseus. The dude took a massive blow to the head, probably had a fracture or two and a concussion.
Originally posted by PwnedYes, but the Titans had the speed and power to kill them unlike human beings who despite the skill we had seen weren't anywhere near as formidable as the gods or the titans.
Funny thing, I never said they didn't count. I said they weren't a great feat, since they were from behind or while they were distracted. Athena was looking a different direction. Dude, any time a god died, it was a stab in the back that caused it. Besides, you are comparing these guys to who slaughtered them. Your logic is coming across as "Ok, so they are very fast. The gods slaughtered them, but they managed to kill 4 of them. So therefore, they are very very powerful because of how powerful the gods are." Face the fact, if the gods hadn't been stabbed from behind, they would have continued killing Titans. And they aren't that fast when not running.Go watch what happened to Theseus. The dude took a massive blow to the head, probably had a fracture or two and a concussion.
Yes, and watch every scene with the gods and how humans can't even really react to them. The titans were domianting a group of them with speed like that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you're saying anything nonmagical can't hurt it. Prove it. 🙂No, since we see Gandalf strike him with just his sword the fellowship was useless here despite one member faring better against multiple Nazgul than just Gandalf the White.
It shows how powerful the gods are. The Titans were wrecking them Zeus included. He left because he was dead had he stayed. It's that simple.
Despite him using a regular sword. The point was his fellowship would only get killed as they were weak unlike the Titans.
Prove the Balrog can burst anyone into flames in close proximity. You made the claim now back it up.
It's been proven already: Gandalf's words to his team concerning their weapons being of no use against the Balrog.
Gandalf took the Balrog down with magic, it's right in the film.
So you don't really have an argument here, you just spout "the gods were powerful" ad vomitum.
LoL, "prove fire burns!?", incredible ignorance from you. I don't have to prove the Balrog burns, as it's made in part of fire and we clearly see this and what its fire did to the rock it tore through, genius. It's for you to prove that the Titans wouldn't be burned by said fires should they come in for a melee attack, as fire burns. But you can't; why you dodged the question for the 5th time now. Concession accepted, dodger.
Originally posted by RobtardGandal fused a normal sword to strike him. The team wasn't formidable I mean did you see how combined they struggled to bring down a cave troll.
It's been proven already: Gandalf's words to his team concerning their weapons being of no use against the Balrog.Gandalf took the Balrog down with magic, it's right in the film.
So you don't really have an argument here, you just spout "the gods were powerful" ad vomitum.
LoL, "prove fire burns!?", incredible ignorance from you. I don't have to prove the Balrog burns, as it's made in part of fire and we clearly see this and what its fire did to the rock it tore through, genius. It's for you to prove that the Titans wouldn't be burned by said fires should they come in for a melee attack, as fire burns. But you can't; why you dodged the question for the 5th time now. Concession accepted, dodger.
The gods feats speak for themselves. I know they don't count since you don't like them.
Gandalf has magical enchantments to protect him with his staff. Prove anyone just starts burning from touching the Balrog. Prove it.
Gandalf stabbed him and didn't burn just fine. Watch the movie, new guy.
This preview debating of yours has got to stop.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Gandal fused a normal sword to strike him. The team wasn't formidable I mean did you see how combined they struggled to bring down a cave troll.The gods feats speak for themselves. I know they don't count since you don't like them.
Gandalf has magical enchantments to protect him with his staff. Prove anyone just starts burning from touching the Balrog. Prove it.
Gandalf stabbed him and didn't burn just fine. Watch the movie, new guy.
This preview debating of yours has got to stop.
Originally posted by Robtard
Gandalf took the Balrog down with magic, it's right in the film.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, "prove fire burns!?", incredible ignorance from you. I don't have to prove the Balrog burns, as it's made in part of fire and we clearly see this and what its fire did to the rock it tore through, genius.
Originally posted by Robtard
Gandalf wasn't burned, cos he's immune as seen. I never commented if it was magic, an item or a natural ability.
Originally posted by Robtard
you dodged the question for the5th6th time now. Concession accepted, dodger.
Uh, you realize you just said Gandalf had magical protection from fire, and then you went right back around saying it cant burn people because he wasn't burned, right?
Anyways, your saying the guys who took on armies of orcs, uruk-hai, mumakil, and goblins are not formidable because they had trouble bringing down a cave troll that was running around and trying to kill them?
ROTK, Aragorn duels a troll one on one and blocks a downward swing.
ROTK, Legolas climbs the arrows in the leg of a charging Mumakil to kill it with ashot at the base of the skull.
Ever heard of PIS? Yeah, it was like that. Even the best of characters can be subjected to it for the sake of a dramatic fight scene.
Originally posted by PwnedYes, he does have magical enchantments with his staff to be able to resist. I already said that.
Uh, you realize you just said Gandalf had magical protection from fire, and then you went right back around saying it cant burn people because he wasn't burned, right?Anyways, your saying the guys who took on armies of orcs, uruk-hai, mumakil, and goblins are not formidable because they had trouble bringing down a cave troll that was running around and trying to kill them?
ROTK, Aragorn duels a troll one on one and blocks a downward swing.
ROTK, Legolas climbs the arrows in the leg of a charging Mumakil to kill it with ashot at the base of the skull.
Ever heard of PIS? Yeah, it was like that. Even the best of characters can be subjected to it for the sake of a dramatic fight scene.
They took down random fodder with gigantic armies of their own. One slow lumbering troll makes them look bad. We see why Gandalf didn't want them to take on the Balrog.
People usually try to excuse bad showings because of personal bias. You aren't the first and won't be the last.
Re-read my post, and you'll see the problem. You claimed the balrog's flames can't hurt people because he didn't burn Gandalf, but you had said it didn't burn Gandalf because he had magical protection, I.E., the flames would have burned him otherwise.
All Theseus took down was random fodder. All the gods killed was random fodder, it just happens to be that you praise their killing of them because they are faster than humans. Big whoop.
And it's my interpretation it was PIS, they could easily have killed that troll, just look at the rest of their feats. Besides, watch the scene again. That thing is just smashing around everywhere, moving targets, especially erratic ones, are harder to hit.
And by the logic you seem to want to use, a cave troll, completely random one, would kill the balrog since Gandalf needed help to kill it but not the balrog. At least, that's the message I am getting from you.
Originally posted by PwnedHe lost his staff and I believe that's where his protection comes from.
Re-read my post, and you'll see the problem. You claimed the balrog's flames can't hurt people because he didn't burn Gandalf, but you had said it didn't burn Gandalf because he had magical protection, I.E., the flames would have burned him otherwise.
All Theseus took down was random fodder. All the gods killed was random fodder, it just happens to be that you praise their killing of them because they are faster than humans. Big whoop.And it's my interpretation it was PIS, they could easily have killed that troll, just look at the rest of their feats. Besides, watch the scene again. That thing is just smashing around everywhere, moving targets, especially erratic ones, are harder to hit.
And by the logic you seem to want to use, a cave troll, completely random one, would kill the balrog since Gandalf needed help to kill it but not the balrog. At least, that's the message I am getting from you.
Titans aren't random fodder and the Balrog didn't kill anyone really save an exhausted Gandalf who was crushed bu Saruman.
You can continue to ignore what happens because you want to pretend it didn't happen. That's called avoiding the issue.
No, I am saying the group was obviously weak because they struggled with a cave troll. The Titans would slaughter the cave troll in moments.