Titans (Immortals) vs. Balrog

Originally posted by quanchi112
He lost his staff and I believe that's where his protection comes from.

LoL. If someone watched the film and paid attention, he would have seen that when Gandalf was fighting the Balrog and riding it during the free-fall, he no longer had his staff and he didn't burn.

His protection from fire isn't due to his staff. Watch the film; then comment. Stop embarrassing yourself, it's 2012 now, I know you can do it.

Rob's right. I totally forgot that he lost his staff on the way down. All he had was himself and his sword.

Whatever is being argued, Quanchi is most likely correct.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. If someone watched the film and paid attention, he would have seen that when Gandalf was fighting the Balrog and riding it during the free-fall, he no longer had his staff and he didn't burn.

His protection from fire isn't due to his staff. Watch the film; then comment. Stop embarrassing yourself, it's 2012 now, I know you can do it.

Quanchi is correct: the staff is used to create that shield he made on the pass: the Balrog destroyed it with a single blow. Gandalf appears to have some firemage abilities, too, on top of his ability to make a shield with his staff. So you are also correct about his fire-resistance.

Gandalf defeated the Balrog with a lightning infused sword. He stabbed ol' Balroggy in the chest with that lightning powered sword. That was Gandalf's single biggest and most destructive magical feat: harnessing lightning and turning his magical sword into an ultra-capacitor.

Of note: he did not shoot the lightning from his sword: he stabbed with it. That's a detriment to Gandalf against a distance fighter or a fast fighter. Does that change the direction of the thread?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Whatever is being argued, Quanchi is most likely correct.

Quanchi is correct: the staff is used to create that shield he made on the pass: the Balrog destroyed it with a single blow. Gandalf appears to have some firemage abilities, too, on top of his ability to make a shield with his staff. So you are also correct about his fire-resistance.

Gandalf defeated the Balrog with a lightning infused sword. He stabbed ol' Balroggy in the chest with that lightning powered sword. That was Gandalf's single biggest and most destructive magical feat: harnessing lightning and turning his magical sword into an ultra-capacitor.

Of note: he did not shoot the lightning from his sword: he stabbed with it. That's a detriment to Gandalf against a distance fighter or a fast fighter. Does that change the direction of the thread?

That's not the issue here, dude. We're arguing Gandalf's ability to resist flames specifically, ie why he didn't burn while he was falling/fighting and riding the Balrog. Not his shield making abilities while on the bridge. In the falling scene, Gandalf didn't have his staff, so his fire-resistance isn't dependent on him having his staff on hand. (but you already knew this)

So far it's been dodged/danced around in how the Titans are going to deal with the Balrog's flaming body/heat when they have to go and try and stab it with their little blades.

I don't get how what dadudemon just said supported quanchi's argument...?

It.... Kinda does? I can barely make sense of it. Though it actually did shoot the lightning, you can notice a gap between the lunging and unarmed balrogs chest and Glamdring.

It's obvious though if you read the books that Gandalf is more than his weapons. He may have used them to help strengthen or focus his abilities/powers, but it was him that summoned and used the power in the first place. To say otherwise is foolish.

Nah, no books for proof man.

I mean, I'd love to have mountain destroying Gandalf as much as anyone, but it didn't happen in the movie. 🙁

I didn't mean all the feats he had in the book. I meant about him being a heavenly being like Saruman and Sauron(although a lower level than him). And his powers coming from him, not his weapons.

He does have a point, it does show Gandalf using magic without his staff.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, trying to be devil's advocate again, eh. Stop.

No, not trying to play devil's advocate. Stating facts to set petty arguments correct.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's not the issue here, dude. We're arguing Gandalf's ability to resist flames specifically, ie why he didn't burn while he was falling/fighting and riding the Balrog. Not his shield making abilities while on the bridge. In the falling scene, Gandalf didn't have his staff, so his fire-resistance isn't dependent on him having his staff on hand. (but you already knew this)

Gandalf's ability to control fire is not in question. What is in question is how hot the Balrog actually was. You can have a flame that burns at room temperature. Gandalf's clothes were still clothes: they should have combusted if Ol' Balroggy was that hot. Same with Gandalf's hair.

Also, I address your particular point in another thread: they were quickly falling down an icy-cold mountain so the air may have cooled off the fire enough to prevent burning.

The clarification I made is Gandalf's shield: it was made with his staff and he has never been seen creating a shield with anything but his staff. Quanchi is correct, in that regard.

Originally posted by Robtard
So far it's been dodged/danced around in how the Titans are going to deal with the Balrog's flaming body/heat when they have to go and try and stab it with their little blades.

I am unsure how super-humanly fast and strong super-warriors are going to stab a slow and cumbersome creature.

Perhaps you have the answer?

Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't get how what dadudemon just said supported quanchi's argument...?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Quanchi is correct: the staff is used to create that shield he made on the pass: the Balrog destroyed it with a single blow.

The shield is not impenetrable and it is produced by his staff.

Meaning, his ability to stop physical attacks with his shield comes from his staff. However, that does not appear to stop his firemage abilities but even that is in question.

ill pass on this question for I never seen lord of the rings but what I wont pass on is those lovely donuts.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The shield is not impenetrable and it is produced by his staff.

Meaning, his ability to stop physical attacks with his shield comes from his staff. However, that does not appear to stop his firemage abilities but even that is in question.

I am not sure what Robtard was really arguing for (I was never arguing whatever you are addressing), but okay.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Okay.

I am not sure what Robtard was really arguing for (I was never arguing whatever you are addressing), but okay.

That Gandalf didn't burn because he's immune to fire in some fashion and that fire-immunity doesn't rely on him holding his staff. Could be some other item(the Elven ring he alludes to?) he has, some spell of his or something else, not certain. The dude doesn't burn though, it's shown more than once in the films.

dadudemon brings up a good point though.

How hot is the Balrog?

Originally posted by NemeBro
dadudemon brings up a good point though.

How hot is the Balrog?

It's on ****ing fire and smoking from it. It has glowing magma for blood. I think it's obvious.

Eh, I'm not sure I want to judge how powerful it is based on how it looks.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Eh, I'm not sure I want to judge how powerful it is based on how it looks.

I'm referring solely to its fire/heat as per your question; not its strength, durability, stamina etc.

That is exactly what I am referring to.

I mean, I guess it is hot, but how hot?

I can somewhat ascertain its strength and durability due to size (Though it also has decent feats for that).

Originally posted by NemeBro
That is exactly what I am referring to.

I mean, I guess it is hot, but how hot?

I can somewhat ascertain its strength and durability due to size (Though it also has decent feats for that).

It's on fire, it's smoking at some points and it has blood that is bright glowing magma. I'd guess it's not just "room temperature" hot, unless that room is somewhere in an active volcano.