Originally posted by Silent Master
Bone claw Wolverine's healing factor was operating at a higer level as it wasn't compensating for the admantium...this was stated in the story arc.
Wolverine has an unstable mutation, he is constantly involving and his powers are always increasing scope. According to Professor X, Wolverine's Adamantium stunts this biological process, but when it was removed it started up again force. When he regained his Adamantium skeleton he still kept the healing factor boost he got as bone claw, but the rate at which his healing factor's speed / power increased was stunted at that current level. If his Adamantium was removed again, he would again start healing much faster now then he did the last time he was bone claw. Wolverine's healing factor never slowed after he regained his Adamantium, the rate it inmproved just slowed down.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has an unstable mutation, he is constantly involving and his powers are always increasing scope. According to Professor X, Wolverine's Adamantium stunts this biological process, but when it was removed it started up again force. When he regained his Adamantium skeleton he still kept the healing factor boost he got as bone claw, but the rate at which his healing factor's speed / power increased was stunted at that current level. If his Adamantium was removed again, he would again start healing much faster now then he did the last time he was bone claw. Wolverine's healing factor never slowed after he regained his Adamantium, the rate it inmproved just slowed down.
So, let me get this straight, all the times it's taken multiple panels/pages for his injuries to heal are PIS and the times he heals from soup in less than a second are his average?
Originally posted by Silent Master
So, let me get this straight, all the times it's taken multiple panels/pages for his injuries to heal are PIS and the times he heals from soup in less than a second are his average?
Every time Wolverine takes a hit form a someone with super strength that is what is happening. Logan has human level durability and he shrugs of punches from planet busters. That's how fast his healing factor works. Do the math.
^ I'm not sure what context I'm missing here, but Wolverine's enhanced durability has something to do with blunting the damage he takes. It's not just his healing factor.
Also, this thread is retarded. It's an Asgardian stamina vs. mutant healing factor contest. Thor wouldn't beat Deadpool, much less Daken under these conditions without some healing factor canceling tech. Since when has anybody completely stopped any of their healing factors without some plot device? Might as well pit Thor against Mr. Immortal and set the stipulation to, Thor has to physically beat the immortality out of him to win.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm not sure what context I'm missing here, but Wolverine's enhanced durability has something to do with blunting the damage he takes. It's not just his healing factor.
Obviously it factors in a bit, but relative to his healing factor Wolverine's durability is nearly inconsequential. His durability is close enough to base line human for it not to matter, he isn't Luke Cage or anything, he isn't even Spider-man. You don't think it makes that much of a difference do you?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Every time Wolverine takes a hit form a someone with super strength that is what is happening. Logan has human level durability and he shrugs of punches from planet busters. That's how fast his healing factor works. Do the math.
Just so that is clear that you're on the record as saying that Wolverine healing from soup in less than a second is his average.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I'm not sure what context I'm missing here, but Wolverine's enhanced durability has something to do with blunting the damage he takes. It's not just his healing factor.
Not according to srank
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
We even have narration where Wolverine says every time he takes a hit form the Hulk it turns all his muscles and organs into soup, he just heals before the next punch lands. That's how fast his healing factor is..
srank is saying that everytime Wolverine has taken more than a fraction of a second to heal below cl 100 damage is PIS.
Originally posted by cdtm
Which means any time he took a bullet or blade, he'd heal faster than it takes to bleed.Funny how he usually has time to bleed, on average..
Exactly, it boils down to
1) Wolverine heals the cl 100 damage in a fraction of a second, which would make hundreds of healing feats PIS
2) Wolverine doesn't get damaged very much by cl 100 hits, which would make hundres of damage feats PIS.
3) Wolverine taking cl 100 hits is due to either PIS or the cl 100 holding back.
Originally posted by cdtm
Which means any time he took a bullet or blade, he'd heal faster than it takes to bleed.Funny how he usually has time to bleed..
When Wolverine fought Meltdown he said something like "I'm not doing any damage, it's like cutting water, he's healing too fast for the damage. It's like fighting myself." It's the same retcon they gave for Wolverine being unable to cut Hulk originally, that he was in fact cutting the Hulk only the Hulk simple healed so fast and damage was repaired by the time Wolverine finished his fallow through. 😎
Wolverine doesn't bleed as much as you think he does. He's had his throat slit without batting an eye or shedding and once of blood, and depending on the caliber he can heal fast enough that his healing factor "catches" the bullets by healing around them an inch or two below the surface.
Originally posted by srankmissingninmmm
And why would that be?I guess to some people it it might seem like I have a sort of pro-Wolverine agenda but I don't, what I have - if indeed I have an agenda at all - is a believe that all characters should be judged fairly on the merits of their feats. Sadly as far as Wolverine is concerned that isn't the case on KMC. If I saw any other character being misrepresented and discredited on whim, then I would (and have in the past) step in and say something provided I was knowledgeable enough to do so. There is a general attitude on this forum where it is considered cool or at the very least acceptable to discredit Wolverine's feats and virtually write him off completely, and frankly as a mod you are partially to blame. A Powerless Shang-Chi vs Thor thread gets closed almost immediately because it is obviously spite. What happened to the Powerless Wolverine vs Thor thread? It's just as much of a spite thread as the Shang-Chi thread... and it's still open. Whether or not you intend to, you are fostering the generally negative attitude people on this forum have towards Wolverine. It would be great if my post weren't necessary but on KMC if your opinion of Wolverine isn't build around a foundation of him getting kicked in the face by a deer, Punisher hitting him in the nuts with a baseball bat or Daredevil punching him in the throat, then you are a fan boy. I'm not sure if it just a general lack of information on the character (something Jinzin, Battlehammer, Stiltman and I worked very hard to remedy with the Wolverine respect thread) or merely "lawl Wolverine loses" was become the stupid forum troll antithesis of "Batman always wins!" but regardless of why, the attitude exists and flourishes on KMC with tons of nurturing all around, and there has been very little effort done to discourage it.
I don't have a Wolverine bias, he isn't even my favorite Marvel street level character, but what he is is the character that is being misrepresented on KMC the most (and has been for a very long time). There are several characters I read more of and prefer to Wolverine, they just aren't in a position where they are constantly being discredited and undersold so my intervention is not needed to sift throw all the bs for any one happening to be reading the forums who reads all the crap about Wolverine being said and doesn't know any better. I think I am completely reasonable about what fights Wolverine can and can't win, I don't think he can beat the Hulk, I don't even think he can beat Spider-man... but I know he takes the majority form any and all melee bricks relying on the strength + durability power combo. The reality is that any character that is forced to engage with Wolverine in pure melee combat (as Thor is per the stipulations of this thread) is in a world of trouble. Talking pure melee view and ignoring ranged options, if a character lacks super speed significant enough to avoid Wolverine's attacks, a healing factor fast enough to compensate for Wolverine's damage during the fight, true invulnerability so they can turn his claws, or a more exotic power like intangibility, then that character will lose the majority against Wolverine. It's that simple. Anyone is welcome to disagree with that stance... but if they did they'd be wrong.
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