Originally posted by BloodRain
Show me how you got the "dilated" speed? specifically.
IMe not assuming anything, ime pointing out that theres no facts concerning how fast or slow certain helicopters went, logically speaking half of the areas you travel, those with copters in have high buildings, higher than the copters themselves are flying at the time and also, they seem to iirc speed up when they leave Mercer (assuming he avoided them and went to hide) when they leave the setting. Theres no case here for him chaseing after them at 200 mph.
Barely wins? lol, Kain just one shots Raziel, after getting hit in the face or eyes or w/e, no real damage and its been conned, then weve got the Defiance scene, we dont know what Raziel used to weaken Kain, he has vastly more powers at his disposal than mercer though and the fact he has the wraith blade on his arm at the end kinda implies he was using it before the final strike as well.....
Erm no, sorry. No feat for Dante, you cant claim Dante can do everything better, Dante simply defeated Vergil, Vergil was corrupted, not Dante, he wasnt even influenced by Mundus tbh.
Because Kain does not hook onto a soul and physically drag it out, it devours it fully on the spiritual plane without giving kratos any time to wonder where his soul has gone.
How does he know? he calculates where his next dimention port is going to be which is a combination of decision and error correction (these people are still moving, kain hasnt time stopped them), he then appears and chooses a strike which is different depending on where Kain appears from, humans on the other hand can sit there, know somethings going to happen and react to visual and movement stimulai, as well as sound at once, kain has nothing before the 0.1/0.2 second he appears.
Ifrit is a demon weapon, wielded by Dante, why wouldnt it wreck them? Does ifrit simply melt them then? because iirc you fight them like most enemies, you cant just melt them with ifrit. youve not seen the reaver strike anyone other than maybe the Sarafan lord and Kain. Excuse me? how is Zeus stronger than chronos? and even then, 1 square mm vs the area of a punch? a square inch or two?
So its area is about the same as Kains time powers, whcih woudlnt work beyond a room so unless Kain is well within Dantes range anywhere, or the other characters he cant solely rely on QS. Also where are you getting 1/1000 from? it looks more or less exactly the same on living entities. 😆 doesnt hold water, Dante doesnt have to build momentum for speed now? just because Superman in smallville doesnt have to? or metro man? is this your logic? you know, theres probably a fallacy for that but I cba to look it up. Maybe if we can use other fictions to apprently add abilities to characters ill drag up every vampire movie and see if I can get some new powers for kain?
Do "whatever he likes"?, no its not plenty of time, Kain has to move his hand idly, even in slow motion thats not going to be hard and further, Kains going to, as per reaction start moving before Dantes brain calculates, moving his head a few inches doesnt give him mach speed reaction.
Air trick like most of trickster abilities seem purely based off speed, the description for trickster is "Aim above an enemy's head and disappear in the blink of an eye with blindingly quick movements", so its speed, not teleport. Also thats a negative, I dont have to prove Dante cannot go from zero to hypersonic, you have to prove he can, which is the positive. You cant claim, "well you cant prove he cant!" for everything, no more than I can say "you cant prove Kain cant go light speed!" and claim he was just jobbing and not trying through the game like you seem to think Dante does.
Well if i do a Neph, Kains got hypersonic+ reactions, second, supersonic from certain distance is easily reacted to, like I said before concerning irl jets, they go supersonic but you can easily see them in the sky because of the distance, if you cant see or perceive them then airshows would be pretty shit. In this case, Dante is reacting at about 0.3, he can taking into account momentum probably start about 100-200 mph running speed if that although I would doubt that, Kain has to shake his hand...Dantes feet are not on the ground...game set and match. Then Kain drinks his blood and blitzes the rest of the people with his newfound speed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
People argue thngs regardless of how disproven they are.
They say a load of ridiculous bs on that site, including Kain at hypersonic+ reactions and that Kratos would be beaten by Rexar out of rug rats... so your logic really is that this is a good source because there just happens to be a calc in it that seems similiar/the same as this one? By people who may be just as misguided?
The Alastor scene is not really speed though as I said before, fallacy ad nauseum Neph? Second, assuming it was, for one second...this is a special power from a special sword, not Dante using his regular devil power. Also we dont see him build up or start that rain scene either, thats not momentum or running though, your claiming he can run at mach 1-mach 15 just because he can trade blows that may be at mach 15, its not the same thing. Weve never actually seen Dante run at more than peak human speed beyond the DMC 3 tower scene where he gets given motion before he speeds himself up....
What do you mean? theres no cut at that point in the video, their just stareing at eachother for a split second befere they clash, I thought you were actually going to point out points in these vids where there seems to be a change of scene or cut in the cinematic like gameplay...
Everything before the frictional hit, where their swords heat and it gets launched into the air, and Dante impaled was changed to Dante and Vergil talking. Theres no way you could somehow edge in/assume you can slot in this other scene at some point just because you belive it should be there. It was, like DMc is known for a flashy, "cool" scene shown early in the intro, which is taken out for actual storyline.
Also explain how Beowulf, Vergil and even lady can tag/hit dante with their slow attacks if he can react/move at mach 15? so many levels beyond he would even need to dodge said moves?
Theres also the fact Kain has surprise, and Dante does not have precog.
Until the momentum thing is sorted out, Dantes speed at max is irrelevent, as are his reactions compared to Kains. even in slow mo, Kain only needs a fraction of a second, or slowed down, a couple of seconds to jiggle his fingers...and Dantes feet are off the ground, he cant build momentum or run at Kain if he cant touch the floor.
Also dodging bullets is not the same as dodging sowrds, sowrds being many many times longer/larger, the fact he just moved out of the way, with an inch or two to spare proves that if it was a sword aiming for his chest or such he wouldnt have been quick enough. Theres also the fact that Dantes strength isnt all that high so whats he going to do if he gets to Kain? impale him? great...he will lose his sword because even his soft flesh is hard to pull the sword from, let alone Kains super dimamond alloy alike+ skin. Also, when he slashes humans, they react as if their hit by a peak human at best by getting knocked a meter or so and Kiris brother just got up after the slash so wheres this E10 force? Kain does not canonically slash humans in such a manner so theres no double standard there, not to mension most of these bullet feats can be brought down to the fact a gun is a weapon of obvious intent, it can be assumed where the bullets are going to go from where the user is pointing so you can "predict" with bullets and not need to be able to avoid much in the process (a tiny piece of metal). Its not like dodging a sword.
What are Nero's guns made out of as well? because Dante brings his whole sword down on one and it just bounces off....if your claiming dante has more strength than Raziel, and less surface area on his sword edge then your saying neros guns apprently are forged in some sort of human metal that can take multiples times earth core pressure, if not tens if not hundrreds of times if you think Dante scales so highly.....Occam just rolled over.