Originally posted by nwg202
so magik can take out legion's personalities the same legion who is infinitley more powerful then the hulk. Legion who can destroy the universe. but she can't take out hulk's personality. and what happens if she time travels and kills banner?One thunderclap isnt going to take down most of the team. Cyclops is the only one who goes down from a thunder clap.
So what if Colossus causes a ton of destruction and cyttorak infuses him with more power? What if hope loses it and summons the phoenix? what if magik turns into the hell lord that mephisto and the others fear? You saying hulk can knock out Colossus is pure speculation too...
If you say hulk has a higher gear, 3 x-men have higher gears too...they are powered by insanely powerful magical and cosmic forces. You have the Avatar of Cyttorak, the avatar of phoenix force and a Hell lord all on one team. Magneto is a far far far fourth in terms of power. Your telling me magik can tangle with mephisto but can't beat a brick? Hulk can't even touch her...or hope for that matter..
if you can assume hulk will get angry and get stronger, i can assume that hope magik and Colossus will also go nuts when they get enraged...if all of utopia is in danger you can bet those 3 will go supernova. let's see what you think of hope in the future....at the core of it its one gamma powered person vs cyttorak, phoenix and limbo fueled people. I'd go with the 3 forces anytime...if we are talking about losing it..
Legion is not the Hulk, yes he is super powerful in his own right but Hulk's powers and physiology are unique to him and him only. Most of the options for the X-Men winning are based around a LOT of speculation, I would be more than happy to give the X-Men the nod if I felt as though they had a definite sure-fire way of winning here but they honestly don't, not for the majority imo. They have no genuine weakness exploitation, lack the raw power to KO Hulk, BFR is off and most of the team can ill-afford to be hit by even one attack. Yes they can hurt him, keep him off balance, cause injury etc but that's only going to make it worse for them.
Banner KO'ed a fully amped up Red Hulk with a thunderclap, this was the same Loebforce Rulk that while amped, was tearing through everyone in sight from Elite heralds like Silver Surfer and Thor to low end skyfathers. Even without being amped Rulk can take hammer strikes from Thor and Bill.
Recently Hulk broke a dimensional barrier with a clap, he has re-directed an attack that destroyed the pocket dimension they were in with one and also used it to essentially ended his fight with Gladiator. A literal round of applause from him sent the Ghost Rider host flying in WWH stunning him, it's a devastating attack. Without shields, no one besides Colossus will remain conscious from a thunderclap if Hulk wanted to really end this fight.
The Juggernaut is always at "full" power, his power dwindles if he doesn't cause destruction. I do believe the avatar can summon more power but not on the fly like Hulk can and Colossus is very inexperienced at using the power of the Juggernaut. Also Cain was knocked out by Onslaught and it was ironically the Hulk who defeated Onslaughts physical form and a more powerful one at that.
Hope and Magik do have great potential but they haven't realised it yet, Hulk has and that is key. Many people have tangled with Mephisto including Hulk and have bested him, this isn't proof that she auto wins especially in Earth's dimension where her powers are significantly weaker. This whole "Hulk won't touch her" arguement is about as valid as Thor not being able to touch Superman imo, he doesn't even need to attack her directly to KO her.
I went back and fourth "Darksaint" and I don't feel like doing it again, I have stated my reasons why I believe Hulk takes the majority. I respect your opinion so if nothing else we will agree to disagree but it won't be a stomp in either sides favour.