WWH Vs Xmen Rematch

Originally posted by The Sorrow
I did read the thread I guess I just wanted to hear it from you lol.

Lol I spent time typing it and coming up with them, I'm damn well gonna spread the word! Lol.

Most of these plans involve using mutants outside of the Ex-team, I did say that if they used Utopia aswell they should win.

Can Hope even duplicate Juggernaut's powers?

Also as far as i'm aware Magik has never teleported someones limbs off, let alone someone as powerful as the Hulk.

That was the only debateable part of plan 1, hence why I created plans 2-7, on the off-chance Magik couldn't.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol I spent time typing it and coming up with them, I'm damn well gonna spread the word! Lol.

True, mainly Elixir. I justified it in my head as when the Hulk first attacked the X-men, he didn't just fight the Astonishing team, but X-Factor and the Uncanny team as well. And that when Kuurth came a-calling, Cyclops sent Pixie all around the place to pick the necessary people up.

Probably not, only pre-upgrade Piotr, but A: am stacking it with Namor's powers for plan 2, and B: am only using his steel skin powers for Plan 1.

That was the only debateable part of plan 1, hence why I created plans 2-7, on the off-chance Magik couldn't.

If this battle was against Hulk at regular levels or if BFR was on the team should be the overwhelming favourites but it's not, it's against a Hulk who is angrier than he ever has been and is very close to his World breaker levels.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
They are definitely some creative plans lol but most do involve negating his healing factor which without Elixir this team wouldn't be able to do.
Removing his limbs is very debatable as is attacking his soul he isn't a human or mutant, his multiple personalities would make this area very cloudy and me personally I would rather not go there. I have only started reading up on Magik recently as I have been enjoying some of the X Books again but has she even ever claimed a soul that wasn't mystical in nature?
The team don't have the raw power to KO Hulk not even with the new Juggernaut so that is not an option, also wouldn't going back through time count as a BFR?
The X-Men would really have to be at the absolute top of their game just to net a win whereas Hulk, due to his healing factor, physiology and physical prowess can afford to make a mistake or two, not to forget the genius brain backing him up.

If this battle was against Hulk at regular levels or if BFR was on the team should be the overwhelming favourites but it's not, it's against a Hulk who is angrier than he ever has been and is very close to his World breaker levels.

With regards to the soul attack, yes, its debateable - not all of the plans are 100% foolproof, and yes, they don't have the raw power 1on1, but surely Namor, Mags, Colossaunaut and Hope with Namor and Colossus' strength could hold him down long enough to snap his neck like Gray did in the Gamma Corps: WWH tie-in. Then his healing factor kicked in and he was Ok, except now he doesn't have that luxury.

And I took time-travel to not be BFR, and would be similar to Magik in Limbo - as long as MAgik time travels and launches attacks, she's not BFRing herself. And neither is she BFRing the Hulk.

And with regards to not being able to make a mistake, well that's why I had Cyclops in Limbo with MAgik - he'd be able to perceive things at a different rate to Earthly people, hence giving him extra time to formulate new plans on the fly.

To quote Cyclops:

Cyclops: Okay time for plan two.

Mayor: Don't you mean B?

Cyclops: that would imply I only have 26 plans.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With regards to the soul attack, yes, its debateable - not all of the plans are 100% foolproof, and yes, they don't have the raw power 1on1, but surely Namor, Mags, Colossaunaut and Hope with Namor and Colossus' strength could hold him down long enough to snap his neck like Gray did in the Gamma Corps: WWH tie-in. Then his healing factor kicked in and he was Ok, except now he doesn't have that luxury.

And I took time-travel to not be BFR, and would be similar to Magik in Limbo - as long as MAgik time travels and launches attacks, she's not BFRing herself. And neither is she BFRing the Hulk.

And with regards to not being able to make a mistake, well that's why I had Cyclops in Limbo with MAgik - he'd be able to perceive things at a different rate to Earthly people, hence giving him extra time to formulate new plans on the fly.

To quote Cyclops:

Cyclops: Okay time for plan two.

Mayor: Don't you mean B?

Cyclops: that would imply I only have 26 plans.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Well played,hmmmm you know it's also debatable Hulk HAS NO SOUL,Honestly I don't see Namor and Mags will be adding that much to colossanaut strength and plus what's not to say in hulks side that hulk won't use his 2 legs and launch them away from him,plus seriously The second you start to overpower hulk in strength he will get freaking enraged even as WWH and gain more strength and approaching WB lvls by default.Magik really impresses me with her abilities,Hope lol secondary Amazo

She is very very powerful, written properly.

In short, for the Hulk to have a good chance of beating them, he needs to fight a team that's seriously nerfed. No BFR, no Elixir, no Muramasa blade, no Magik, no Hope.

Lol in short, he should go fight Wolverine and the X-men. And not fight the Senior team, but only the kids. No Rachel Gray, Iceman, Doop, or Shadowcat.

He's powerful, I'm not hating on that. And yes, he can get even more powerful, but its still just a 1-dimensional power.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lucky for the weaker X-Men that the hulks got no arms.

Show me Magik taking someone arms off as durable as Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me Magik taking someone arms off as durable as Hulk.

They were taken off by the Muramasa blade.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They were taken off by the Muramasa blade.

When?

since plan 7

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
since plan 7

I'm talking about in a comic book. Let's not make up powers because I can do a lot with WWH gamma radiation.

Trying to forcefully hold Hulk down is the last thing the team should try and do look what happened to Onslaught. On top of this Gamma Corps were only able to achieve what they did by depowering him first, no one here has the ability to take away his healing factor. For the time travel option to work she would have to kill Bruce Banner and again this fight is in character.

The Limbo angle is the main reason why I give the team some wins but it's not enough to give them the majority imo, not when half of the Ex team have human level durability.

Against the current UXM line-up I feel that while limited, the stips tip things in the Hulks favour and he has enough tools to get the job done but add in the full roster and the X-Men take it.

I still think that, beside bfr, the X-Men don't have the means to stop the Hulk.

Namor and Magneto are powerhouse, but Namor isn't taking the Hulk down (most likely, Hulk will beat him soundly in 3 or 4 panels, like he did for the Thing or for Colossus) and if Invisible Woman haven't been able to stop him with his shield, I think that Magneto won't be able too.

As for the rest, Legion aside, the line-up hasn't change a lot. Why would the telepathy work this time, while they miserably failed the last time? IMO, the only one who really got the means to beats him is Legion. For the rest... Colossus? Would he go all out? Because if not, he's dead. Magik? Without BFR she's dead too.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
They are definitely some creative plans lol but most do involve negating his healing factor which without Elixir this team wouldn't be able to do.
Removing his limbs is very debatable as is attacking his soul he isn't a human or mutant, his multiple personalities would make this area very cloudy and me personally I would rather not go there. I have only started reading up on Magik recently as I have been enjoying some of the X Books again but has she even ever claimed a soul that wasn't mystical in nature?
The team don't have the raw power to KO Hulk not even with the new Juggernaut so that is not an option, also wouldn't going back through time count as a BFR?
The X-Men would really have to be at the absolute top of their game just to net a win whereas Hulk, due to his healing factor, physiology and physical prowess can afford to make a mistake or two, not to forget the genius brain backing him up.

If this battle was against Hulk at regular levels or if BFR was on the team should be the overwhelming favourites but it's not, it's against a Hulk who is angrier than he ever has been and is very close to his World breaker levels.

magik entred empath's dreams and dragged his soul to limbo. He's not a mystical . He is a telepath. Hulks multiple personalities are nothing compared to legion's. Magik went into Legion's head and started killing different personalities left and right.
i have both scans if you need it.

Also if hulks healing is so great how do you know Hulk can put down Colossus who himselfs heals instantly and is immortal...and how does Hulk hit them if magik is teleporting everyone out of harms way from limbo? hulk grabs Colossus magiks simply teleports him out of his grasp.

Hope can also mimics Magiks teleportation powers and magneto's sheilds which have stood up to nukes and a Galactus blast. Thor's hammer and both she hulk and thor pounding on it. So you have teleportation and shields and healing factor and the unstoppable enchantment to deal with. Plus time travelling.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I still think that, beside bfr, the X-Men don't have the means to stop the Hulk.

Namor and Magneto are powerhouse, but Namor isn't taking the Hulk down (most likely, Hulk will beat him soundly in 3 or 4 panels, like he did for the Thing or for Colossus) and if Invisible Woman haven't been able to stop him with his shield, I think that Magneto won't be able too.

As for the rest, Legion aside, the line-up hasn't change a lot. Why would the telepathy work this time, while they miserably failed the last time? IMO, the only one who really got the means to beats him is Legion. For the rest... Colossus? Would he go all out? Because if not, he's dead. Magik? Without BFR she's dead too.

How does Hulk even hit Colossus with magik teleporting him all over the place? while Colossus can keep on blitizing hulk with his unstoppable enchantment going from portal to portal. Magik has mystical armor and has tangled with cl 100 demons hand to hand. She also telports across dimensions, time and space. How will a brick hit her? even photon a light speeder( scans were provided in this thread couldn't)

Then hope with mags, namor's , colossus and magik's powers basically doubles the attacks. plus Colossus has insane regen of his own and is immortal also.

Nwg202 I don't think anyone is even listening you 😆

Originally posted by TheHulk
Did I Say something bad about cyclops abilites as a tactical genius??? In terms of tactics Cyclops is my 4th favorite.

Originally posted by TheHulk
You act as if Cyclops will think exactly what you said just because you say so does not mean it will happen.....I mean sure the plans are great but cyclops will be different ideas unless you ARE Cyclops

Cyclops is smarter than anyone in this thread. Any strategy we come up with, it's very likely he'd have thought of it already.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Nwg202 I don't think anyone is even listening you 😆

If they aren't, they should be. He is bringing up good points.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
If they aren't, they should be. He is bringing up good points.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops is smarter than anyone in this thread. Any strategy we come up with, it's very likely he'd have thought of it already.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
If they aren't, they should be. He is bringing up good points.

Thanks. dont know how to get through to him.

Nwg202 I don't think anyone is even listening you

@The hulk- i'll stop posting when you give me a logical reason why WWhulk wins. I provide scans and explanations why i think they win.

What if he is surrounded by flyers and they just hit him from above with lightining, drop aircraft carriers on him, lasers from battle sattelites that danger has hacked into, while colossus is blitizing him on the ground at 600mph teleporting in and out of his grasp? what does he do? how does he even reach most of them? what if Magik teleports a block of metal inside his brain? what if this is all happening at the same time?