Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Any scenario in which Batman is limited to his standard gear he loses. Baring prep he has nothing on him that would give him the win over Laura.
I typically agree with most of your posts, so I'm open to the possibility that you're correct; however, doesn't bruce have far more years of fighting experience? bruce (without prep) has fought steve rogers to a standstill. i haven't seen anything from laura that comes close to that. she doesn't have logan's metal skeleton so her durability is at standard levels. she's not any faster than bruce either... laura's only advantage here is her claws. even bruce's standard gear contains items which could stun or incapacitate her temporarily. how does laura win this unless bruce brawls?
Originally posted by wildernesss
I typically agree with most of your posts, so I'm open to the possibility that you're correct; however, doesn't bruce have far more years of fighting experience? bruce (without prep) has fought steve rogers to a standstill. i haven't seen anything from laura that comes close to that. she doesn't have logan's metal skeleton so her durability is at standard levels. she's not any faster than bruce either... laura's only advantage here is her claws. even bruce's standard gear contains items which could stun or incapacitate her temporarily. how does laura win this unless bruce brawls?
Batman stalemated Cap in a non canon crossover comics. In a real fight where both companies don't have to compromise so neither looks bad, Captain America would kick Bruce's ass.
Like Wolverine, Laura has low level superhuman stats, she is physically superior to Batman and skilled enough for advantage Bruce might hold in that area to be slight. The standard weaponry Bruce carries isn't enough to over load X-23's healing factor long enough for him to get a win. None of his gasses / explosives / tassers ect are powerful enough to put Laura down for the count, her healing factor is too good.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Batman stalemated Cap in a non canon crossover comics. In a real fight where both companies don't have to compromise so neither looks bad, Captain America would kick Bruce's ass.Like Wolverine, Laura has low level superhuman stats, she is physically superior to Batman and skilled enough for advantage Bruce might hold in that area to be slight. The standard weaponry Bruce carries isn't enough to over load X-23's healing factor long enough for him to get a win. None of his gasses / explosives / tassers ect are powerful enough to put Laura down for the count, her healing factor is too good.
hhmm, I thought the avengers/jla crossover was retroactively referenced as canon...and there wasn't much compromise when bruce
conceded that steve could beat him given enough time; therefore, for the time being, bruce did seem to legitimately & canonically fight steve to a standstill. that's a feat, I cannot see laura reproducing.
as for her being physically superior to bruce; she isn't faster than bruce. she hasn't demonstrated greater strength than bruce. just the oppositte actually, bruce has more feats of him trashing foes much stronger than he is. her combat speed isn't any better either. what we are left with is relatively average durability in terms of blunt force KO resistance & a healing factor. that's isn't enough when facing batman imo. batman has faced more skilled martials artists slashing at him with blades than x-23 has. and ultimately, bruce's gasses/explosives/tasers don't need to put laura down for the count by themselves; even if they serve only to distort her view visibility, distract, slow her down, & stun her....that is enough of a advantage for someone like bruce to exploit for a slight majority imo. 6/10 for batman.
Avengers/JLA is canon as far as DC comics is concerned; they reference the comic egg later on. However, per the rules of the forum, it and other crossovers are invalid for canon sources. Personally, I see Bruce being challenging to Steve for his skill and cunning, but Steve's, imo, just as skilled in H2H and has the physical advantages that Bruce can't overcome.
Anyway, now that I'm curious, what feats of Laura's suggest her being physically superior than Batman and to what degrees?
Also, what is her best healing factor feat and her average portrayal of healing like?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAlso, what is her best healing factor feat and her average portrayal of healing like?
Generally shes healing cuts and minor bruises and such in seconds. Broken bones in a minute or so. healed form being all burnt up in a few minutes, lost an arm and took a few hours to a day to grow back. Gunshots to most areas in a few seconds etc. That's how she normally is, but if you keep damaging her it starts taking longer as the following heals go.
I'm sure she has some crazy high feats and stuff but that's how it goes.
Being fair, Batman would have a very difficult time stopping Laura with raw damage. She doesn't have Wolverine's feats, but she's still pretty ridiculous. Disembowelment, grenades, and even missile strikes have failed to slow her down before. Off the top of my head, she's only been put down by Nimrod and Belasco.
Batman might actually have more luck trying to restrain her.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Avengers/JLA is canon as far as DC comics is concerned; they reference the comic egg later on. However, per the rules of the forum, it and other crossovers are invalid for canon sources. Personally, I see Bruce being challenging to Steve for his skill and cunning, but Steve's, imo, just as skilled in H2H and has the physical advantages that Bruce can't overcome.Anyway, now that I'm curious, what feats of Laura's suggest her being physically superior than Batman and to what degrees?
Also, what is her best healing factor feat and her average portrayal of healing like?
She broke through the Danger room glass with strength alone that was classified as being unbreakable to aid Wolverine in a training session against Bishop. She has other fts that I can't think of right now.