Originally posted by StyleTime
grenades, and even missile strikes have failed to slow her down before. Off the top of my head, she's only been put down by Nimrod and Belasco.Batman might actually have more luck trying to restrain her.
a direct hit from your first two examples wouldn't just slow her down; she would be in scattered pieces all over the place. she isn't logan and doesn't have the structural durability the metal skeleton provides. until someone posts scans I call total bs on that.
bruce routinely beats villains like killer croc who is stronger than laura, faster than laura, has enhanced senses like laura, razor sharp claws, and a healing factor (once again, like laura). not to mention that his durability is higher than laura's & is essentially invulnerable to most weapons. x-23 doesn't bring anything to the table that batman hasn't seen & dealt with before. he has decades of feats under his belt that suggest, without question, he can evade & outmaneuver her claws with relatively moderate effort. at least long enough to incapacitate or KO her. basically, her HF is strong enough to bounce back from a KO within seconds....but her durability isn't sufficient enough to prevent the KO.
batman held is own against bane, killer croc, clay face, deathstroke, etc. he's more than strong enough to temporarily KO laura. that's all he needs for a forum win.
bruce routinely beats villains like killer croc who is stronger than laura, faster than laura, has enhanced senses like laura, razor sharp claws, and a healing factor (once again, like laura).
I will note Laura would *destroy* Croc, and I sincerely doubt the 'faster' part.
And while his claws are sharp, they aren't as long and they aren't adamantium.
She's a much more skilled foe on a different level than KC.
Originally posted by Q99
I will note Laura would *destroy* Croc, and I sincerely doubt the 'faster' part.And while his claws are sharp, they aren't as long and they aren't adamantium.
She's a much more skilled foe on a different level than KC.
killer croc is much stronger than laura & significantly faster in terms of
running speed. their combat speed is probably equal; however, even if you think killer croc has no chance against her....what about clay face?
also, who cares if her claws are adamantium (when fighting bruce)? both KC's claws & laura's would slice through batman with relatively equal effectiveness. only the length of her claws make them more dangerous; and on that note, how is laura going to deliver a substantial strike on one of the best martial artists, escapologists, tacticians, and masters of stealth in the dc universe; laura has occassionally struggled to inflict damage on relatively unknown characters with no feats.
Originally posted by Bentley
Unlike Killer Croc or Clayface Laura is a competent martial artists with claws on her feet making her every attack pretty much a win against Bruce.Batman is good, but can he consistently evade her and beat her? I don't think so.
How does he fair against Catman? Also, all he needs to do is rope her up....
Clayface, remember, is not beaten by HtH.
how is laura going to deliver a substantial strike on one of the best martial artists, escapologists, tacticians, and masters of stealth in the dc universe; laura has occassionally struggled to inflict damage on relatively unknown characters with no feats.
Such as?
Don't forget characters she has inflicted very significant damage on. Wolverine, Daken, Lady Deathstrike. Not exactly an unimpressive list.
She's fond of using some pretty tricky feats, like keeping her foot-claw hidden until she uses it in a claw-kick.
Originally posted by wildernesss
hhmm, I thought the avengers/jla crossover was retroactively referenced as canon...and there wasn't much compromise when bruce
conceded that steve could beat him given enough time; therefore, for the time being, bruce did seem to legitimately & canonically fight steve to a standstill. that's a feat, I cannot see laura reproducing.as for her being physically superior to bruce; she isn't faster than bruce. she hasn't demonstrated greater strength than bruce. just the oppositte actually, bruce has more feats of him trashing foes much stronger than he is. her combat speed isn't any better either. what we are left with is relatively average durability in terms of blunt force KO resistance & a healing factor. that's isn't enough when facing batman imo. batman has faced more skilled martials artists slashing at him with blades than x-23 has. and ultimately, bruce's gasses/explosives/tasers don't need to put laura down for the count by themselves; even if they serve only to distort her view visibility, distract, slow her down, & stun her....that is enough of a advantage for someone like bruce to exploit for a slight majority imo. 6/10 for batman.
Laura has fought Wolverine to a stand still, which is more impressive than stalemating a fake Captain America, and she did in a comic that matters. 😎
The Avengers / JLA cross over is canon for DC, but not for Marvel. Essentially Batman stalemated a character who just by sheer happenstance wears the same costume as Captain America and has the same name as Captain America, but isn't 616 Captain America. Batman doesn't stand much of a chance of beating Cap. It would play out like Batman's fight last fight with Azrael... only imagine that on top of all his physical advantages Azrael also happened to be more skilled in h2h combat.
Bruce's standard equipment is barely powerful enough to force Laura to bat an eyelid, and even in conjunction with his martial prowess (which will have less effect on Laura than his gear) the chances of him putting her out for a ten count before he gets eviscerated is very slim. You could start through Robins into this fight and it would take a few before the scale started to look balanced. Sans prep Laura is simply above Batman's ability to content with.
Originally posted by wildernesss
a direct hit from your first two examples wouldn't just slow her down; she would be in scattered pieces all over the place. she isn't logan and doesn't have the structural durability the metal skeleton provides. until someone posts scans I call total bs on that.bruce routinely beats villains like killer croc who is stronger than laura, faster than laura, has enhanced senses like laura, razor sharp claws, and a healing factor (once again, like laura). not to mention that his durability is higher than laura's & is essentially invulnerable to most weapons. x-23 doesn't bring anything to the table that batman hasn't seen & dealt with before. he has decades of feats under his belt that suggest, without question, he can evade & outmaneuver her claws with relatively moderate effort. at least long enough to incapacitate or KO her. basically, her HF is strong enough to bounce back from a KO within seconds....but her durability isn't sufficient enough to prevent the KO.
batman held is own against bane, killer croc, clay face, deathstroke, etc. he's more than strong enough to temporarily KO laura. that's all he needs for a forum win.
Are you confusing Croc with Lizard, or his incarnation in Arkham Asylum?Because Croc is barely superhuman (and some times he is just a dude with a skin condition with no superhuman abilities at all). Depending on the writer he is, at best,a sometimes bullet proof, some times class 2 strength villain with not enough speed to talk about and a healing factor that isn't fast enough to repair a broken arm quickly enough to be of use in a forum match. Harvey Dent has beaten Croc in a physical h2h battle. Easily. Croc sucks.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAre you confusing Croc with Lizard, or his incarnation in Arkham Asylum?Because Croc is barely superhuman (and some times he is just a dude with a skin condition with no superhuman abilities at all). Depending on the writer he is, at best,a sometimes bullet proof, some times class 2 strength villain with not enough speed to talk about and a healing factor that isn't fast enough to repair a broken arm quickly enough to be of use in a forum match. Harvey Dent has beaten Croc in a physical h2h battle. Easily. Croc sucks.
Killer croc might be one of the most inconsistently portrayed comic characters.
Originally posted by cdtm
For some reason, Batmans speed is HIGHLY overrated by Marvel zombies.And that's taking into account I respect his speed based on feats, but don't try and trump him up as faster than his superiors, like they do with Logan or Cap...
....and of course, I meant to say underrated.
Seriously though, Bats has more than his share of feats on par with anything Caps done, excepting in the strength department. And even in that category, we're not talking about an a deciding edge here, considering strength of a ton or so difference is basically worthless in a comic book setting.
If she punks Cap or Logan regularly, she'd probably punk Bats. If she doesn't, he has fair odds physically, and gains advantages those two wouldn't have with his utility belt. (How's X 23 against knockout gas?)
Originally posted by cdtm
....and of course, I meant to say underrated.Seriously though, Bats has more than his share of feats on par with anything Caps done, excepting in the strength department. And even in that category, we're not talking about an a deciding edge here, considering strength of a ton or so difference is basically worthless in a comic book setting.
If she punks Cap or Logan regularly, she'd probably punk Bats. If she doesn't, he has fair odds physically, and gains advantages those two wouldn't have with his utility belt. (How's X 23 against knockout gas?)
I think what you actually meant to say is: For some reason, Batmans speed is HIGHLY overrated by DC zombies.
And you'd be right. 😎
Let me know when Batman starts: running 60 mph, walking around with 40 foot telephone poles, with the transistors still attached, casually slung over his shoulder and stopping speeding cars in their tracks by grabbing the back bumper.
Originally posted by cdtm
Is healing factor on par with Logan? Deadpool?What if Bats kept his distance, and kept using, say, exploding batarangs?
She allegedly heals faster than Logan, but it hasn't really been put to the test.
An exploding batarang will have about as much effect as snow ball with a piece of ice in it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Let me know when Batman starts: running 60 mph, walking around with 40 foot telephone poles, with the transistors still attached, casually slung over his shoulder and stopping speeding cars in their tracks by grabbing the back bumper.
I think Bats can keep up. 😛
I already admitted Cap is stronger, but this is comic books.. Venoms defeated Carnage, and Cap himself has beaten characters in the 15 ton range, showing how unimportant minor strength advantages are (US Agent?)