superman vs. goku

Originally posted by carver9
No ignorance at all. For me to believe Goku wouldn't outright STOMP Gladiator, I would have to take his highest fts and use it as something relevant in a fight against Goku (which would be him tanking a Solar System destroying blast). In order for me to believe that Gladiator can stomp Superman or Thor, I would have to take his highest showings to face value. On average, it ain't happening just like on average, Superman isnt tanking or withstanding what Goku can dish out in some seconds.

Goku as a kid at the age of 7 was dishing and walking around with the power to destroy moons. Goku in his teens was a planetary level threat...Goku as an adult was matching a being that was destroying planets with his index finger (at .025% of his power) and this was a weaker form of Goku. Goku at his prime...no telling what he was capable of. Weaker characters were lifting their hands, creating blasts that were leveling continents with a blast radius that was seen on the outskirt of space.

With all the power Superman, Thor, Gladiator, Hulk, and whoever else have...they can't win this. You would have to use them at the peak of their performance to even suggest they stand a chance.

What has Gladiator got to do with anything?

Is any of that actually true?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Is any of that actually true?

Yes, it is true. Dragonball characters have ridiculous raw power output. They severely lack in speed, strength, and durability compared to the likes of Superman though.

While very fast and capable of flight, they are well below lightspeed. They have almost nothing in the way of lifting feats, but they probably max out around large rock-ish. Their physical durability is along those lines. Oh and their energy-based attacks are relatively slow. They can be dodged.

So I would definitely consider them to be below most heralds in comics. Superman is fast and strong enough to punch a hole in Goku before Goku would realize the fight had begun.

Really it's just a bad powerset matchup, rather than Superman > Goku.

Originally posted by Cogito
Yes, it is true. Dragonball characters have ridiculous raw power output. They severely lack in speed, strength, and durability compared to the likes of Superman though.

While very fast and capable of flight, they are well below lightspeed. They have almost nothing in the way of lifting feats, but they probably max out around large rock-ish. Their physical durability is along those lines. Oh and their energy-based attacks are relatively slow. They can be dodged.

So I would definitely consider them to be below most heralds in comics. Superman is fast and strong enough to punch a hole in Goku before Goku would realize the fight had begun.

Really it's just a bad powerset matchup, rather than Superman > Goku.

All of this is a lie except the part where you agreed with me. Goku and Frieza was pretty much similar during the time the fought and Frieza withstood 100's if not THOUSANDS of high class 100 punches. He withstood a kamehameha wave that was 20 times in power than his blast that was used against Vegeta that had enough power to shed a planet...he withstood the spirit bomb that was powered by Nameks solar System and he also withstood a planet exploding on him....withstood numerous of nuclear attacks...punched through mountains, etc, etc...all of this happened ONE FIGHT. DBZ characters durability is INSANE and its retarded to think Superman could take them out with a single punch.

Goku kicked Frieza with a punch that shook planet Namek and this was Goku at his base form. They CAN hurt Superman with their fist.

Lol at their blast being slow. Where did you get that from? Picollo blew up a moon and the blast made it there in one panel. If you are basing this off of the anime...they slow the fights and blasts down so that we can see what's going on.

Stop underating these characters. Goku at his weakest is a high Herald.

Originally posted by carver9
Goku kicked Frieza with a punch

Originally posted by Ban Mido
He kicked him with a punch guys.

Lol...dang I was hoping no one caught that. I tried to edit it but the 10 minute time frame passed. That's a free joke.

Originally posted by carver9
Stop underating these characters. Goku at his weakest is a high Herald.

High Herald???

Typical Herald - level abilities include:

- Able to destroy planets and stars
- Degree of cosmic awareness (ability to perceive the happenings of the universe)
- Usually a good degree of matter/energy manipulation (such as transmutation)
- Faster Than Light speed travel
- Some limited level of Time Travel/Manipulation

For DBZ:

-Planets, yes. Stars, no.
-Goku ain't that smart, King Kai tells him about happenings in the Universe.
-Energy Manipulation, yes.
-Hell no, Goku is only 1000+ times the speed of sound whereas Lightspeed is more than 800,000+ times.
-No!

Goku is a Low Herald at best dude.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
High Herald???

Typical Herald - level abilities include:

- Able to destroy planets and stars
- Degree of cosmic awareness (ability to perceive the happenings of the universe)
- Usually a good degree of matter/energy manipulation (such as transmutation)
- Faster Than Light speed travel
- Some limited level of Time Travel/Manipulation

For DBZ:

-Planets, yes. Stars, no.
-Goku ain't that smart, King Kai tells him about happenings in the Universe.
-Energy Manipulation, yes.
-Hell no, Goku is only 1000+ times the speed of sound whereas Lightspeed is more than 800,000+ times.
-No!

Goku is a Low Herald at best dude.

Lol...that's not the qualifications of being a high Herald. Majority of those powers, only Surfer is capable of doing. Doomsday is a trans level being and he doesnt have not one of those under his power level. Mangog is a trans level being and he basically punch and kick.

Goku isn't book smart but his combat smart has no comparison. He IS the greatest fighter in the Universe.

How would we know if Goku is incapable of destroying Stars? He would never try. Akira stated that Super Saiyan 1 Goku can destroy 15 planets with one blast...that alone is enough to put him at skyfather levels.

Goku is much faster than 1000+ the speed of sound and the only being that I can think of (minus Goku) that has actually fought at light speed is the Flashes.

Nappa at best is a low Herald. Nappa can wave his hand and kill everyone in the high meta tier.

Originally posted by carver9
Akira stated that Super Saiyan 1 Goku can destroy 15 planets with one blast...that alone is enough to put him at skyfather levels.

Joe Casey said that nothing short of Classic Beyonder could have defeated Superman under his pen. That shits on skyfather levels.

Good thing we don't cling to writer statements without proof, right?

Originally posted by carver9
Akira stated that Super Saiyan 1 Goku can destroy 15 planets with one blast...that alone is enough to put him at skyfather levels.

Bravo Bravo, where did you get the quote from?
One of Akira's many unrecorded interviews?

Too bad Ki blasts usually only make Nuke type explosions on Earth even in the Buu Saga.

Originally posted by carver9
How would we know if Goku is incapable of destroying Stars? He would never try.

He's not, even the TOEI Animation proved that.
The Sun is overkill for any DBZ character anyway.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Joe Casey said that nothing short of Classic Beyonder could have defeated Superman under his pen. That shits on skyfather levels.

Good thing we don't cling to writer statements without proof, right?

It wasn't in a interview though...it was something that was stated in the manga by Bibidi. Akira just gave the statement a thumbs up. I posted the scan in the "off topic thread".

Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't in a interview though...it was something that was stated in the manga by Bibidi. Akira just gave the statement a thumbs up. I posted the scan in the "off topic thread".

Have you ever read a Superman comic penned by Casey?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Have you ever read a Superman comic penned by Casey?

Yeah and I know where you are going with this. The difference is...people that Goku are equal to in power has thrown casual blast with just the wave of his hands capable of destroying planets. Someone equal in power to Goku has screamed and his voice was (this is about to be lame) causing planetary destruction. They have the proof that shows they can destroy multiple of planets with one blast, Goku just wouldn't do it because he is basically Superman mentally. He would kills himself before taking a life.

Originally posted by carver9
All of this is a lie except the part where you agreed with me. Goku and Frieza was pretty much similar during the time the fought and Frieza withstood 100's if not THOUSANDS of high class 100 punches. He withstood a kamehameha wave that was 20 times in power than his blast that was used against Vegeta that had enough power to shed a planet...he withstood the spirit bomb that was powered by Nameks solar System and he also withstood a planet exploding on him....withstood numerous of nuclear attacks...punched through mountains, etc, etc...all of this happened ONE FIGHT. DBZ characters durability is INSANE and its retarded to think Superman could take them out with a single punch.

Goku kicked Frieza with a punch that shook planet Namek and this was Goku at his base form. They CAN hurt Superman with their fist.

Lol at their blast being slow. Where did you get that from? Picollo blew up a moon and the blast made it there in one panel. If you are basing this off of the anime...they slow the fights and blasts down so that we can see what's going on.

Stop underating these characters. Goku at his weakest is a high Herald.

Everything I said was true. I'm not going to dispute DBZ character's energy durability, which is why I made a specific point of saying "physical durability". They can, and have, been hurt by physical force projectiles.

I'm not stupid enough to base speed off of the anime. I based the speed of energy attacks on the fact that DBZ characters are much below lightspeed, and they can dodge them.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah and I know where you are going with this. The difference is...people that Goku are equal to in power has thrown casual blast with just the wave of his hands capable of destroying planets. Someone equal in power to Goku has screamed and his voice was (this is about to be lame) causing planetary destruction. They have the proof that shows they can destroy multiple of planets with one blast, Goku just wouldn't do it because he is basically Superman mentally. He would kills himself before taking a life.

That's not really a difference, if you knew about Superman's peers.

Originally posted by Cogito
Everything I said was true. I'm not going to dispute DBZ character's energy durability, which is why I made a specific point of saying "physical durability". They can, and have, been hurt by physical force projectiles.

I'm not stupid enough to base speed off of the anime. I based the speed of energy attacks on the fact that DBZ characters are much below lightspeed, and they can dodge them.

I never said they were invincible...they can be hurt by their peers just like any character can be hurt by their peers BUT, no one has withstood a beating like Goku has in a single fight...no one.

I will post a page on here soon. A guy went through the time to make an entire section involving anime and its pretty much on point about their speed.

Goku as a child as light speed showings unless you forgot the scene where he outpace Tiens solar flare (which is basically solar energy emitted from his body), ran to Roshi, grabbed Roshis glasses, put them on and ran back to the spot where he was before. He did all of this before the solar flare even touched him. That's a light speed ft.

DBZ attacks aren't slow.

carver9 is still ignoring the fact that Goku's blasts only make nuke type explosions and DBZ characters get owned by the Sun.
Superman could just use his heat vision.
LOL It's funny how carver9 claimed Akira Toryama himself "stated" 15 planets then says it was Bibidi(?) from the manga.
Wait, I thought Bibidi was Babidi's father and did not know Goku.

Originally posted by carver9
Goku as a child as light speed showings unless you forgot the scene where he outpace Tiens solar flare (which is basically solar energy emitted from his body), ran to Roshi, grabbed Roshis glasses, put them on and ran back to the spot where he was before. He did all of this before the solar flare even touched him. That's a light speed ft.

Well then it's funny how lightspeed would travel Earth's circumference 7 times in 1 second while DBZ characters at max speed take several minutes to seconds travelling the Earth's Circumference once or a few.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Well then it's funny how lightspeed would travel Earth's circumference 7 times in 1 second while DBZ characters at max speed take several minutes to seconds travelling the Earth's Circumference once or a few.

Who said anything about them flying at light and if they flew at light, wouldnt it destroy the planet? I said they COMBAT at light and they CAN combat at speeds greater than light.

Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
carver9 is still ignoring the fact that Goku's blasts only make nuke type explosions and DBZ characters get owned by the Sun.
Superman could just use his heat vision.
LOL It's funny how carver9 claimed Akira Toryama himself "stated" 15 planets then says it was Bibidi(?) from the manga.
Wait, I thought Bibidi was Babidi's father and did not know Goku.

Lol...where did you get that the sun hurt DBZ characters? Goku was directly at the sun when his space ship went off course while traveling to Namek. The flames were touching him and it did no damage at all. Heat vision isn't stopping Goku.

Like I told you before, I posted the scan in the off topic thread. Bloodrain was the one that gave it to me.

Lol at Goku only being capable of making Nuke like explosions when we have a character that is millions of Times less powerful than Goku blowing up the moon with a casual blast. Lol at Goku only being able to make Nuke like explosion when we have a character millions of times less powerful than Goku raising his hands, destroying a freaking Continent. Lol at Goku only being able to destroy a continent when we have someone that is millions of times less powerful than him using .025% of his power shedding a planet with his index finger that was twice the size of Earth. Lol at Goku only being able to make Nuke like explosions when he redirected/over powered Vegitas blast that was capable of destroying Earth and his used his own blast to do this and this was Goku AT HIS WEAKEST. You are clearly low balling and you clearly have no knowledge of the characters. Get out of here with all your nonsense and pick up a DBZ comic.