Originally posted by carver9
You are clearly low balling and you clearly have no knowledge of the characters. Get out of here with all your nonsense and pick up a DBZ comic.
You do realize that don't you?
This is getting sad...reading this thread is an exercise in feeling embarrassment vicariously through carver. This thread died out years ago for a reason. Superman stomps, and anyone with a working understanding of logic can see that. Goku is powerful, but his power set just doesn't work against Supes. No offense intended Carver, but you still think that Goku is the most powerful unfused character in DBZ, which he is not. Chou Gohan is, who also loses badly to Supes.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...where did you get that the sun hurt DBZ characters? Goku was directly at the sun when his space ship went off course while traveling to Namek. The flames were touching him and it did no damage at all. Heat vision isn't stopping Goku.Like I told you before, I posted the scan in the off topic thread. Bloodrain was the one that gave it to me.
Lol at Goku only being capable of making Nuke like explosions when we have a character that is millions of Times less powerful than Goku blowing up the moon with a casual blast. Lol at Goku only being able to make Nuke like explosion when we have a character millions of times less powerful than Goku raising his hands, destroying a freaking Continent. Lol at Goku only being able to destroy a continent when we have someone that is millions of times less powerful than him using .025% of his power shedding a planet with his index finger that was twice the size of Earth. Lol at Goku only being able to make Nuke like explosions when he redirected/over powered Vegitas blast that was capable of destroying Earth and his used his own blast to do this and this was Goku AT HIS WEAKEST. You are clearly low balling and you clearly have no knowledge of the characters. Get out of here with all your nonsense and pick up a DBZ comic.
Funny thing is that I've been watching DBZ ever since I was 4 so don't assume I'm not a fan myself.
I was refering to Goku and Goku only when I mentioned Nuke type explosions.
Vegeta's blast was not capable of destroying Earth ,there is no proof and even if it was it was Goku's Kaioken x3 Kamehameha wave that countered the Gallick Gun NOT a regular Ki blast.
And please provide a scan of Goku touching the Sun because even Toei Animations DBZ characters can't withstand the sun as proven with Broly and Cooler.
So Goku moving to get Roshi's sunglasses isn't a form of movement but combat?
Stop being ignorant or GTFO with your nonsense!
Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Funny thing is that I've been watching DBZ ever since I was 4 so don't assume I'm not a fan myself.
I was refering to Goku and Goku only when I mentioned Nuke type explosions.
Vegeta's blast was not capable of destroying Earth ,there is no proof and even if it was it was Goku's Kaioken x3 Kamehameha wave that countered the Gallick Gun NOT a regular Ki blast.
And please provide a scan of Goku touching the Sun because even Toei Animations DBZ characters can't withstand the sun as proven with Broly and Cooler.
So Goku moving to get Roshi's sunglasses isn't a form of movement but combat?
Stop being ignorant or GTFO with your nonsense!
I never said that you never watched the show but what I am saying is that "you don't know what you are talking about".
Goku was at the sun while heading to Namek. He saved his ship by kamehameha blasting away from it.
Goku blast are more powerful than a Nuke. Just because the planet doesn't explode from every blast doesn't mean that it makes Goku blast less powerful than planetary. These beings have complete control over their Ki...they can turn it into a nuke like explosion or they can make it a concentrated blast which is used as a piercing blast against their durability. This ranges from Piccolo special beam cannon to the destructo disk, to Frieza finger blast to whatever else. They don't always have to blow up a planet...their control of their power/Ki is off the charts and you would know this if you actually looked at the show.
Second...you would also have known this if you looked at the show. Tien and Goku are standing in the ring fighting. Tien used the solar flare on Goku...solar energy. Goku see the energy coming his way and knows that if it tags him, he will be blind which would leave him open for an attack by Tien (remember, solar energy is faster than light)...Goku preventing this from happening runs off (outpacing FTL energy), grabs Roshi Glasses, put the glasses on and run back in front of Tien before the attack even touches him. That's FTL and he did that as a child. You asked for a FTL ft from Goku...so I gave it to you.
Originally posted by carver9
I never said that you never watched the show but what I am saying is that "you don't know what you are talking about".Goku was at the sun while heading to Namek. He saved his ship by kamehameha blasting away from it.
Goku blast are more powerful than a Nuke. Just because the planet doesn't explode from every blast doesn't mean that it makes Goku blast less powerful than planetary. These beings have complete control over their Ki...they can turn it into a nuke like explosion or they can make it a concentrated blast which is used as a piercing blast against their durability. This ranges from Piccolo special beam cannon to the destructo disk, to Frieza finger blast to whatever else. They don't always have to blow up a planet...their control of their power/Ki is off the charts and you would know this if you actually looked at the show.
Second...you would also have known this if you looked at the show. Tien and Goku are standing in the ring fighting. Tien used the solar flare on Goku...solar energy. Goku see the energy coming his way and knows that if it tags him, he will be blind which would leave him open for an attack by Tien (remember, solar energy is faster than light)...Goku preventing this from happening runs off (outpacing FTL energy), grabs Roshi Glasses, put the glasses on and run back in front of Tien before the attack even touches him. That's FTL and he did that as a child. You asked for a FTL ft from Goku...so I gave it to you.
The point is during every fight they're trying to hurt their oponent so when they shoot the Ki blast and they miss they can change the direction of the Ki blast but NOT how powerful it is, they already concentrated the energy before blasting it.
LOL It could easily be simulation of light using the Sun's energy and not rays of sun itself.
I used a Pokemon reference in my above post(not paragraph) because there is a move in Pokemon called Solar Beam and it is dodgable.
Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
The point is during every fight they're trying to hurt their oponent so when they shoot the Ki blast and they miss they can change the direction of the Ki blast but NOT how powerful it is, they already concentrated the energy before blasting it.LOL It could easily be simulation of light using the Sun's energy and not rays of sun itself.
I used a Pokemon reference in my above post(not paragraph) because there is a move in Pokemon called Solar Beam and it is dodgable.
The point is, every blast doesn't have to be planetary because if that was the case, Surfer would destroy a planet every time he fought someone. Goku has complete control of his power and him not destroying a planet with every attack doesn't mean that the attack is less than planetary. Goku fist did more to Frieza than the planet Namek blowing up on him. Your argument is moot and saying that Goku can only throw nukes when it has been referenced by true power readers that he can destroy a planet is just outright ignoring the character. Planet destruction is child's play for someone like Goku, even at his weakest. If Roshi, a guy that is millions of Times more weaker than Goku can lay waste to a moon, do you honestly believe he is more powerful than Goku, someone that could tank that moon attack with a smile on his face and dish out something far more powerful? Use that noggin.
Lol..the solar flare is light speed. It's solar energy being emmited from the "Z" fighters body. Goku outpaced this. It can't get any clearer than this. It's a FTL feat. Accept it and move on.
Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
Um just because it's Solar doesn't mean it's lightspeed.
By your logic many if not nearly every Pokemon should be FTL too.
It's solar energy...he outpaced it. No matter how much you don't like it, it happened. If a pokemon outranned solar energy then that means that they can run at light. Its that simple.
Yeah, Solar flares are matter being ejected from the Sun and therefore they can't be light speed. According to wikipedia the average velocity is 489 m/s which, while fast, is far slower than light.
Edit: As for the scan above that isn't actually a solar flare. The dude is just giving off light or solar energy whatever you want to call it. Of course, solar energy being FTL is complete nonsense that makes no sense what-so-ever. Furthermore, I'm unsure how this prooves anything as Goku doesn't need to outpace Tien's light beams but simply know that that the move is coming and grab the glasses before Tien lights up like a light bulb. And since the scan doesn't show Goke without the glasses after the move is used we can't say he didn't do the latter. Meaning it's impossible to use this scan to proove Goku is FTL.
Originally posted by ares834
Yeah, Solar flares are matter being ejected from the Sun and therefore they can't be light speed. According to wikipedia the average velocity is 489 m/s which, while fast, is far slower than light.Edit: As for the scan above that isn't actually a solar flare. The dude is just giving off light or solar energy whatever you want to call it. Of course, solar energy being FTL is complete nonsense that makes no sense what-so-ever. Furthermore, I'm unsure how this prooves anything as Goku doesn't need to outpace Tien's light beams but simply know that that the move is coming and grab the glasses before Tien lights up like a light bulb. And since the scan doesn't show Goke without the glasses after the move is used we can't say he didn't do the latter. Meaning it's impossible to use this scan to proove Goku is FTL.
The panel before Tien does that move shows Goku standing there. Goku didn't have the shades.
The comparison of the solar energy from the sun and the solar flare has been stated in the manga when the move was first done. It's basically the rays from the sun being transferred through the Z fighters body. It's a light speed ft.