I think people on both sides are underestimating each character...there have been plenty of instances in which Superman has been taken out by attacks that Goku could dish out...at his peak though he wins. Goku would definitely pose a threat, as many speed feats as superman has, he really isn't used to characters who use their speed with the skill and aptitude that Goku does. Superman wins 7/10.
Originally posted by carver9
I haven't ignored anything.
You explicitly dismissed Superman's feats as "space cheese", a concept reserved for characters with relatively equal feats at multiple levels. I don't always agree with the concept, but I can sympathize in some situations. Clearly, this isn't one of those situations. In this particular instance, you're just covering your ears to rebuttals; Goku can't match several things from Superman, so you dismiss and downplay.
Poster: *insert durability feat for Superman that is superior to something from Goku*
carver9: First off, it's not combat durability. Second off, Goku stomps.
This is why these threads wind up with like this. We cover the same stuff every time and every time you stick your fingers in your ears.
carver9: "Goku can't counter that, so the feat is BS. Black hair Goku stomps the Justice League. Deal with it."
I'm not even sure how I got pulled in here. Usually, I just laugh from the sidelines. At least before, I thought you just liked messing people; however, you stated that Superman operating at his highest is "somewhat" of a fight for Goku. You still don't understand that twisted interpretations of already vague material is not "evidence" for anything. Your argument hinges on a neutered Superman fighting some amped up version of Goku you dreamed up.
Originally posted by carver9
The point is, every blast doesn't have to be planetary because if that was the case, Surfer would destroy a planet every time he fought someone. Goku has complete control of his power and him not destroying a planet with every attack doesn't mean that the attack is less than planetary. Goku fist did more to Frieza than the planet Namek blowing up on him. Your argument is moot and saying that Goku can only throw nukes when it has been referenced by true power readers that he can destroy a planet is just outright ignoring the character. Planet destruction is child's play for someone like Goku, even at his weakest. If Roshi, a guy that is millions of Times more weaker than Goku can lay waste to a moon, do you honestly believe he is more powerful than Goku, someone that could tank that moon attack with a smile on his face and dish out something far more powerful? Use that noggin.Lol..the solar flare is light speed. It's solar energy being emmited from the "Z" fighters body. Goku outpaced this. It can't get any clearer than this. It's a FTL feat. Accept it and move on.
And yet again I was refering to Ki BLASTS if you've actually read my posts not Goku's more powerful techniques like Kamehameha or Genki Dama.
Yeah Solar Energy being emitted from a Human body and not from the sun is definately lightspeed right?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not really.What kind of solar energy?
Solar energy is a broad description, not a classification.
It appears to be nothing more than light ergo light speed. If it was actually plasma things would be burning up and people wouldn't simply be blinded. Truthfully, all energy travels at the speed of light (Plasma isn't a form of energy but of matter).
Still, that doesn't mean Goku has to be FTL he could have grabbed the glasses in the time it take Tien to use the move.
Originally posted by StyleTime
All right, real talk dude. How the **** can you say that?You explicitly dismissed Superman's feats as "space cheese", a concept reserved for characters with relatively equal feats at multiple levels. I don't always agree with the concept, but I can sympathize in some situations. Clearly, this isn't one of those situations. In this particular instance, you're just covering your ears to rebuttals; Goku can't match several things from Superman, so you dismiss and downplay.
Poster: *insert durability feat for Superman that is superior to something from Goku*
carver9: First off, it's not combat durability. Second off, Goku stomps.
This is why these threads wind up with like this. We cover the same stuff every time and every time you stick your fingers in your ears.
carver9: "Goku can't counter that, so the feat is BS. Black hair Goku stomps the Justice League. Deal with it."
I'm not even sure how I got pulled in here. Usually, I just laugh from the sidelines. At least before, I thought you just liked messing people; however, you stated that Superman operating at his highest is "somewhat" of a fight for Goku. You still don't understand that twisted interpretations of already vague material is not "evidence" for anything. Your argument hinges on a neutered Superman fighting some amped up version of Goku you dreamed up.
I didnt ignore anything. What I said was "if we use Superman, Thor, Gladiator, etc, etc... at their average portrayal, they do not stand a chance against Goku.
What I also said is, Anime characters doesn't go around lifting buildings, its not part of their character. I said that Superman have Goku beat by lifting fts but punching power, Goku has him beat. Spiderman has Goku beat using lifting fts. It's not what Goku does. He only have a few fts in that category.
You would have to completely ignore everything from both characters to suggest Goku can't beat Superman. EVERYTHING.
Originally posted by 786SalamKhan
And yet again I was refering to Ki BLASTS if you've actually read my posts not Goku's more powerful techniques like Kamehameha or Genki Dama.Yeah Solar Energy being emitted from a Human body and not from the sun is definately lightspeed right?
So basically you are telling me that Picollo at a power level of 350 should have fought Frieza instead of Goku at a power level in the millions since a Picollo at a level of 350 destroyed a moon with a casual blast? Is this what you are telling me? Piccolo at 350 is >>>>>>> Goku at a PL in the millions since you've stated Goku only shoot Nuke like explosions.
Gotcha.
Goku is stronger than Supes you say? and yet....
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4904/360809mw1mk5.gif
Tell me again about how much stronger Goku is than Superman.
Here we have quantifiable proof of what Goku's strength is, and it isn't even close to Superman. Even if he goes ssj3, his increases in strength won't put him anywhere NEAR Superman.
A much better contest would be......................A DANCE OFF!!! to this song!!!
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Originally posted by carver9
So basically you are telling me that Picollo at a power level of 350 should have fought Frieza instead of Goku at a power level in the millions since a Picollo at a level of 350 destroyed a moon with a casual blast? Is this what you are telling me? Piccolo at 350 is >>>>>>> Goku at a PL in the millions since you've stated Goku only shoot Nuke like explosions.Gotcha.
Hah not once did I say that Piccolo at 350> Goku.
Power Level or Battle Power doesn't always have to do with Destructive capacity.
Piccolo destroyed the moon with a seemingly casual Ki Blast.
Note I said SEEMingly since Piccolo blew it up out of desparation it also looked like a Ki Wave rather than a blast.
I'm still waiting for the scan on Goku touching the flames of the Sun.
But then again that's very inconsistant since a Full Powered Super Saiyan Goku got killed by Semi Perfect Cell's self destruction which was only meant to blow up Earth.
You haven't got anyone, if you think Pokemon are FTL just because of Solar Beam(which is actually one of the slowest moves in Pokemon) you and your logic is dense.
No offense to the OP, but this thread is looking really retarded right now.
What good are Goku's planet busting attacks if superman pulls a doomsday rex on him before he can complete one? Furthermore, at what point has Goku ever busted a planet as his first attack? Hell, the only people in the manga iirc that even attempted that were frieza, buu and cell. All of which were expressed to be pure evil, and Goku is the exact opposite.
Barring cis completely, lets assume that Superman is not acting as efficiently as he normally does, and pussy-foots around and allows Goku to hit him. When Superman decides to hit back (which he will), that's literally it for Goku. Superman is not known for "single hits", he works in combos, and when he doesn't, they're show stoppers. Goku does not have the durability to remain conscious, the speed to dodge, or the strength to retaliate physically. This can be inferred by the fact that being flown through the sun in dbz is a death sentence for anyone, combat or travel speed is never truly measured on a level that would matter to supes, and their lifting and physical strength feats are almost non-existent. With this said, Goku's best strategy would be to sit back and blast supes and hope that he decides to sit there, take it and forget that he's a speedster with ftl combat and travel speed. Unless this happens, Superman wins at least 7.5/10 regardless of the ssj level. The three wins are out of generosity and controlling for cis and random shit like what I just said.
Originally posted by ares834
It appears to be nothing more than light ergo light speed. If it was actually plasma things would be burning up and people wouldn't simply be blinded. Truthfully, all energy travels at the speed of light (Plasma isn't a form of energy but of matter).Still, that doesn't mean Goku has to be FTL he could have grabbed the glasses in the time it take Tien to use the move.
if only that were true in comics too.
Originally posted by emporerpants
Goku is stronger than Supes you say? and yet....http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4904/360809mw1mk5.gif
Tell me again about how much stronger Goku is than Superman.
Here we have quantifiable proof of what Goku's strength is, and it isn't even close to Superman. Even if he goes ssj3, his increases in strength won't put him anywhere NEAR Superman.
Lol...you post a scan of Goku on a training ground training on a planet with intense gravity. How about posting the scan of kid Goku pushing a boulder the size of Master Roshi house. How about you post the scan of Goku kicking Frieza so hard it shook planet Namek and destroyed an entire Island and two nearby mountains or him picking up a 100 ft tall Picollo tossing him across the ring. Or Goku as a child grabbing a guy that was stated as weight over a ton and tossing him out of the city. Goku as a child was a high class 100 being...you trying to discredit this isn't helping you at all.
Originally posted by Sirius77
No offense to the OP, but this thread is looking really retarded right now.What good are Goku's planet busting attacks if superman pulls a doomsday rex on him before he can complete one? Furthermore, at what point has Goku ever busted a planet as his first attack? Hell, the only people in the manga iirc that even attempted that were frieza, buu and cell. All of which were expressed to be pure evil, and Goku is the exact opposite.
Barring cis completely, lets assume that Superman is not acting as efficiently as he normally does, and pussy-foots around and allows Goku to hit him. When Superman decides to hit back (which he will), that's literally it for Goku. Superman is not known for "single hits", he works in combos, and when he doesn't, they're show stoppers. Goku does not have the durability to remain conscious, the speed to dodge, or the strength to retaliate physically. This can be inferred by the fact that being flown through the sun in dbz is a death sentence for anyone, combat or travel speed is never truly measured on a level that would matter to supes, and their lifting and physical strength feats are almost non-existent. With this said, Goku's best strategy would be to sit back and blast supes and hope that he decides to sit there, take it and forget that he's a speedster with ftl combat and travel speed. Unless this happens, Superman wins at least 7.5/10 regardless of the ssj level. The three wins are out of generosity and controlling for cis and random shit like what I just said.
Why doesn't Goku have the durability to withstand attacks from Superman when he has withstood so much more in a single battle that what Superman can dish out? You're not making sense. What Goku endured in his single fight against Frieza is enough proof for me.
Speed...it isn't needed but Goku is faster than Supes.
Travel speed...I agree, Superman has Goku beat here.
Goku doesn't need to go Super Saiyan to win this.
Lol...Doomsday Rex is slow compared to Goku and going intangible, Goku has done that as well. Superman would have to fight at his absolute best to stay in the game against Goku.
