Originally posted by Q99
Nyriss was apparently beating Scourge and the Exile at once on raw power? I think that's above Dooku... though, granted, the Exile was kinda nerfed in the book which makes it less impressive than it could be.
The Exile was never considered to be of immense marshal might. Meetra's greatest strength was that she was a brilliant tactician, and she was a natural leader. Considering that Dooku with a gesture was able to best Jedi Masters like Kenobi, I really don't see that as a great feat.
You're kidding right? They both were considered powerful in the force. Obiwan was what, average? I'm not sure how subduing an average jedi (with exceptional combat prowess) with the force is somehow more impressive than fighting and winning against a powerful sith lord and powerful jedi. Nyriss wtfpwns Dooku in the force. Sabers might go differently.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You're kidding right? They both were considered powerful in the force. Obiwan was what, average? I'm not sure how subduing an average jedi (with exceptional combat prowess) with the force is somehow more impressive than fighting and winning against a powerful sith lord and powerful jedi. Nyriss wtfpwns Dooku in the force. Sabers might go differently.
A quote directly from Master Vandar.
"True, and average student of the force, but a unique strength she is a natural leader."
She only became powerful from absorbing the power of her fallen foes and even then when has she defeated anyone of note in pure martial prowess.
In her battle against Darth Nihilus, his own greed greatly weakened him when he tried to consume her.
In her battle with Darth Sion, her use of Dun Moch, not her skill with a blade is what killed him.
Darth Traya, though formidable was shown to be insta-pwned by one TK from Darth Nihilus, then given a bare-handed beat down by Darth Sion.
Not to mention that she was already down one hand by the time she dueled the Exile. One could also argue that Darth Traya loved the Exile too much to truly seek to destroy her. After all Meetra was Traya's dream incarnate, a being that was a hole in the force.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Where are you getting this from? You'll also have to explain how the hell Vandar would even know this considering he was long dead before the Exile destroyed the Triumvirate.
Miz, this assertion is wrong:
insta-pwned by one TK from Darth Nihilus[list]For several reasons:[*]there is a strong implication that N. hit Traya with a "technique in the Force against which there is no defense." The game implies that it was not TK[*]even if it was TK, N. has one of the most incredible TK feats in the mythos (outpacing Starkiller and Bane by many orders of magnitude in power and control, respectively). So even if he had used TK, there would be no damage done to Traya's reputation.[/list]
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Where are you getting this from? You'll also have to explain how the hell Vandar would even know this considering he was long dead before the Exile destroyed the Triumvirate.
This was when Surik was young. Up until post-Malachor Surik was average. A brilliant tactician, but an average Jedi.
As stated by the Masters at the Council Traya interrupted, she grew stronger with each person that she defeated. What feats to the Triumvirate have?
Sion: Defeating Lonna Vash who is featless
Nihilus was poweruful, but his greatest power was his undoing.
Traya, aside from being stronger than Sion is also featless.
Originally posted by Zampanó
The Vandar quote ends in the first line.Miz, this assertion is wrong:[list]For several reasons:[*]there is a strong implication that N. hit Traya with a "technique in the Force against which there is no defense." The game implies that it was not TK[*]even if it was TK, N. has one of the most incredible TK feats in the mythos (outpacing Starkiller and Bane by many orders of magnitude in power and control, respectively). So even if he had used TK, there would be no damage done to Traya's reputation.[/list]
Fair point, I forgot about Nihilus ripping his fleet from the orbit of Malachor. The point still stands, the Nihilus the Exile faced was weakened and desperate. As much as I was not a fan of it, Meetra seems to be reduced to Revan's trusty side kick in canon.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Fair point, I forgot about Nihilus ripping his fleet from the orbit of Malachor.
As Malachor V was a world heavily steeped in the dark side of the Force, as Vjun or Korriban or Byss, I'm not certain that we can credit that particular feat to Nihilus alone, as he would have enormous reservoirs of power to draw from outside his own bodily energies.