Darth Tyranus vs. Darth Nyriss

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Nothing indicates Kenobi was an above average force user.

Examining the question broadly, I agree completely that Kenobi's holistic displays of Force power aren't anything special, but he has his moments. If the hype regarding Skywalker is to be believed, Kenobi's ability to unleash comparable telekinetic energy with the Chosen One is impressive.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Nothing indicates Kenobi was an above average force user. Also, nobody claimed some obscure piece of star wars literature states the exile>obi wan. Continue with your fishing expedition and humorous rationlizations instead of offering any kind of valid argument.

His little TK exchange with Darth Vader at Mustafar proves otherwise. Do you really think that any Jedi in the history of the order could match TKs with ROTS Anakin immersed in the Dark Side?
You use the term "average" very loosely.
Prove that Meetra was in above Kenobi in the force or martially in general.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She was on the Jedi Council, she had access to and studied an absurd amount of Sith Holocrons and she trained the Handmaidens in Echani combat. She was also able to rather easily defeat Brianna the Handmaiden despite the fact that Brianna had previously curbstomped all of her siblings at the same time.

Atris was hardly fodder.

The handmaidens were forbidden to even touch upon the force. Brianna traveling with the exile and soloing the handmaidens is also shaky canon considering that event only happens if the Exile is chosen to be male in game. Even if we take that into account subduing a Padawan cho can defeat 5 non force-sensitives in combat is hardly impressive.
Jocasta Nu also sat on the Council and was the Librarian on Coruscant. That did not stop Darth Vader from casually lifting her with the Force and impaling her on his lightsaber.
In fact that didn't stop Cad Bane from knocking her unconscious in the Clone Wars

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Deleted content is not canon, but that's a cool video.

It isn't deleted content. That first bit happens in the original game, its just that she doesn't Force choke Sion.

For what it's worth, The Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide attributes to Traya "vast telekinetic powers."

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Prove that Meetra was in above Kenobi in the force or martially in general.

Why? He never said she was.

Yay!

Originally posted by Nephthys
It isn't deleted content. That first bit happens in the original game, its just that she doesn't Force choke Sion.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The handmaidens were forbidden to even touch upon the force. Brianna traveling with the exile and soloing the handmaidens is also shaky canon considering that event only happens if the Exile is chosen to be male in game. Even if we take that into account subduing a Padawan cho can defeat 5 non force-sensitives in combat is hardly impressive.
Jocasta Nu also sat on the Council and was the Librarian on Coruscant. That did not stop Darth Vader from casually lifting her with the Force and impaling her on his lightsaber.
In fact that didn't stop Cad Bane from knocking her unconscious in the Clone Wars

Brianna has been mentioned in a few sourcebooks I believe. And the claim could be made that its a gameplay mechanic that she only goes with a male Exile.

i see you don't mention the absurd amount of holocrons shes studied.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
That was the feat? Or were you talking about fodderizing the Sith Assassins?

Yes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Brianna has been mentioned in a few sourcebooks I believe. And the claim could be made that its a gameplay mechanic that she only goes with a male Exile.

i see you don't mention the absurd amount of holocrons shes studied.

Yes.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
studying does not equal power.

It depends on what she's studying. Sith philosophy? Then, no. But The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia makes it abundantly clear that the only way to master the Force is through dedicated study.

Atris: "All this collected knowledge, all these teachings of combat and the Force - they are mine to command."

Another epic fail for Yoda.

Well there you have it.

Though the fact that she not only lost to the Exile but was simply match for her in combat (KotOR campaign guide) is sobering. Either she exaggerated the extent of her mastery, the techniques in question were pedestrian, or all the above.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Atris: "All this collected knowledge, all these teachings of combat and the Force - they are mine to command."

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Another epic fail for Yoda.

Originally posted by PlagueiSpoilers
Well there you have it.

Though the fact that she not only lost to the Exile but was simply match for her in combat (KotOR campaign guide) is sobering. Either she exaggerated the extent of her mastery, the techniques in question were pedestrian, or all the above.

Or Meetra was simply better than her.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or Meetra was simply better than her.

Meetra being better than an unknown is still an unknown though.

I think we've established that she isn't unknown. Theres at least 30 ****ing holocrons in that room when she makes that statement.

The Exile was inarguably superior to Atris, but that's just the conundrum: consider that the Exile, in turn, is woefully inadequate to take on Darth Nyriss. If Atris had mastered all those powers and techniques from those many Holocrons (which admittedly I'm assuming are great in number based on your estimations), you'd think she'd have been more formidable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I think we've established that she isn't unknown. Theres at least 30 ****ing holocrons in that room when she makes that statement.

The only combatant she put down even with that knowledge was Brianna, a neophyte Padawan of the Exile.

Did she really master any of those holocrons?