Originally posted by Nephthys
Holocrons are powerful, but we don't know which ones she had. For example, on Tython the JC class quest involves gathering holocrons.
3 of the first ones just held knowledge, teaching the wisdom. The third allowed even a being with no prior teachings to be able to bring down a cave with the force. We don't know what teachings Atris gained from those Holocrons so it's unquantifiable.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Holocrons are powerful, but we don't know which ones she had. For example, on Tython the JC class quest involves gathering holocrons.
3 of the first ones just held knowledge, teaching the wisdom. The third allowed even a being with no prior teachings to be able to bring down a cave with the force. We don't know what teachings Atris gained from those Holocrons so it's unquantifiable.
She specifically mentions 'teachings of combat and the Force'.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't think I ever claimed it would. But we've seen lots of examples of what acquiring a holocron can do to a Force users growth. And she had a ****ton of holocrons.
That's true, Atris could have become as powerful as the likes of Tyranus with the holocrons but it is likely that she became marginally powerful.
Oh and I know this is deleted non-canon but.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VvS5MLnG0Y&feature=related
4:20
'I fear he may rival even the ancient Sith'
A hint to the Sith Emperor perhaps?
The fact that she thinks Nihilus merely 'rivals' the ancient Sith is rather disconcerting.
It's a testament to both Sara Kestelman's (Kreia's voice) great VA and Chris Avellone's (main writer for KotoR 2) damn good writing that an eight minute monologue is still far more compelling then most of today's games entire story, plot and setting.
All the 👆's.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
That doesn't necessarily mean she's learned or mastered anything, just that she knows what's in the holocrons.
Atris: "All this collected knowledge, all these teachings of combat and the Force - they are mine to command."
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Kreia still exists as the force ghost known as "The Entity". She's basically Darth Baras' ***** now.
Don't remind me.
wtfawe
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh shit, she just walked off a lightsaber to the stomach. Why didn't they keep that scene in, that was awesome!She could have. You never know with Kreia.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Kreia still exists as the force ghost known as "The Entity". She's basically Darth Baras' ***** now.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Atris: "All this collected knowledge, all these teachings of combat and the Force -[b] they are mine to command."
I hope you realize the stupidity of claiming that she's mastered the holocrons. Holocrons take years, if not decades to learn, much less master. She gathered a bunch of holocrons and mastered them within a 2-3 year period? lol
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I hope you realize the stupidity of claiming that she's mastered the holocrons. Holocrons take years, if not decades to learn, much less master. She gathered a bunch of holocrons and mastered them within a 2-3 year period? lol
Really? Because I clearly recall Bane learning everything in Revans Holocron inside of a few weeks. And then mastered Freedon Nadds inside of a few days. And then Belia Darzu's inside of, what, a day? Less?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Really? Because I clearly recall Bane learning everything in Revans Holocron inside of a few weeks. And then mastered Freedon Nadds inside of a few days. And then Belia Darzu's inside of, what, a day? Less?
Revan's holocron contained what, some ancient sith techniques and his personal sith philosophy? And Nadd's holocron took a decade to learn, if you remember the 2nd Bane book. He didn't master it either because he wasn't proficient with sith sorcery. I also don't recall him mastering Darzu's holocron as much as mastering a specific technique within the holocron.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Revan's holocron contained what, some ancient sith techniques and his personal sith philosophy? And Nadd's holocron took a decade to learn, if you remember the 2nd Bane book. He didn't master it either because he wasn't proficient with sith sorcery. I also don't recall him mastering Darzu's holocron as much as mastering a specific technique within the holocron.
Bane said that Revans holocron had more in it that the entirity of the academy on Korriban. I don't recall him taking that long with Nadds. You'll either need to provide quotes or link me to the russian site. I believe Bane did study Darzu's and saying that much of it was similar to what he already knew from Nadds and Revans.
Revan also only had a few years to learn from what he found on Malachor btw.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane said that Revans holocron had more in it that the entirity of the academy on Korriban. I don't recall him taking that long with Nadds. You'll either need to provide quotes or link me to the russian site. I believe Bane did study Darzu's and saying that much of it was similar to what he already knew from Nadds and Revans.
Revan also only had a few years to learn from what he found on Malachor btw. [/B]
Yea, but Revan's potential was easily greater than Atris'. I'm not suggesting he learned everything or even a fraction of what was on Malachor, but enough to be the most powerful force user of his era not named Vitiate.
Also, I'll need to find my copy of the book, I just remembered this thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-520305-darth-zannah-vs-darth-caedus.html